St. Louis minimum wage will drop from $10 to $7.70

[luckyshot]

I expect there will be an uptick in jobs.

Sure. And under slavery there was 100% employment. Oh, happy days are here again.

 

[ehtheist]

The issue with Seattle is that they may have gone too high, not that they raised it at all.

What's the correct number?

 

[Falsedawn]

If you are making minimum wage you aren't the working class. You are poverty class.

DEFINITION of 'Working Class'
A socioeconomic term used to describe persons in a social class marked by jobs that provide low pay, require limited skill and/or physical labor, and have reduced education requirements. Unemployed persons or those supported by a social welfare program are often included in this group.

Read more: Working Class http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/working-class.asp#ixzz4mAqzPAYe

working class
Socioeconomic class consisting of individuals that are paid an hourly wageand considered to be lower-middle class. Typically these individuals work blue-collar jobs such as manufacturing, retail sales, or food service. Also called lower class.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/working-class.html

work·ing class
ˈwərkiNG ˈˌklas/
noun

1. 1.
   the social group consisting of people who are employed for wages, especially in manual or industrial work.
   "the housing needs of the working classes"

adjective

1. 1.
   relating to people belonging to the working class.
   "a working-class community"

https://www.google.com/search?q=working+class

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[luckyshot]

If you are making minimum wage you aren't the working class. You are poverty class.

There used to be like six classes: the filthy rich, the wealthy, the upper middle class, the middle class, the working class and the poor.

Now there are three classes: the filthy rich, upper middle class, and the and the poor.

See where this is going?

 

[Falsedawn]

What's the correct number?

>Accuses someone of e-raping you

>Continues to go back for more

 

[Literally Bricked]

Whatever. Peasants.

 

[ultramanhyata]

I just don't understand it. People who berate me with "This is why we got Trump. You looked down on us. You laughed at us." are in here being vindictive dicks to people who are less well off than they are, justifying it as essentially a culling of the herd. If I said half this shit about them, i'd be stomping on their fee fees though. I'm pretty sure an abject lack of empathy is a mental disorder.

To be fair, I usually only see Trump supporters mocking minimum wage workers when the workers are non-white and marching in Fight For 15 protests.

So they're not really laughing at their own.

 

[Gandhi]

Minimum wage is not the right way to do this, but it's better than not doing it at all.

 

[emefer]

Make do with less than barely scraping by
Don't get sick and if you do get sick, die quick

Fixed

 

[emefer]

Will lowering the minimum wage encourage employers to raise wages? Let's see if the experiment works...this time.

 

[Madmick]

Sure. And under slavery there was 100% employment. Oh, happy days are here again.

Satire lacks teeth when it isn't true.

 

[Gandhi]

You're a moron. Raising minimum wage doesn't magically convert people working 40 hours to working 20. The exact amount of hours need to be served: so long as you're not paying overtime, there's no difference between two 20's and one 40, except that the former is wildly less efficient given the need to train and the tendency for productivity to be slow at the outset and end period of shifts. Will management try to eliminate labor and lower costs spent on labor to raise prices? Of course, they will be trying to do that always, always, always, and nothing is going to stop that. We can make sure that persons who give their time and earning hours to that enterprise be given a living wage, though.

Instead of us taxpayers subsidizing those employees' mere survival in the form of entitlements while the employer makes billions hand over hand.

You don't have an argument to stand on, as per usual. This is just a partisan reaction for you: your position was already cut out for you by persons smarter than you who profit off of your boot licking.

I'm on your side on this basically but for sake of the discussion have to point out some things.

The higher the min wage the more attractive the automation. So at a certain point min wage does kill jobs but it depends on how high the wage is and what industry.

Also at the end of the day a min wage is a form of govt policy to redistribute wealth. I'm ok with that but then I think it would be much more effective and efficient to not target employers as the providers of these things (same for health care).

Tax the wealthy no matter who they are and redistribute a min living standard to those that need it. Corps / businesses then pay what the market bears for labor based on productivity. Same impact with less economic distortion.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

So, you post saying that pushing min wage back down is against the working class. The I post how Seattle actually hurt these people by raising the min wage and cost them jobs and money. Then you post that Seattle went to far.
Why do you think that Missouri did not go too far?

Better yet, what has this potential rolling back the minimum wage done to hurt the working class?

The truth is that min wage jobs are not the working class. They are jobs for kids and old people to supplement retirement. They are jobs that are not work 13 dollars and hour and most likely not even 10 and hour.

The working class people are your regular blue and white collar workers working real jobs. Min wage being too high will actually hurt the middle class because if more people need welfare due to automation and other shit this min wage hike is making happen well guess who is going to get taxed for that.

So again, you provide no support for your position-----that this rollback is hurting the working class. Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[Gandhi]

If you are making minimum wage you aren't the working class. You are poverty class.

How many posters in one thread are going to repeat this tosh?

 

[Falsedawn]

So, you post saying that pushing min wage back down is against the working class. The I post how Seattle actually hurt these people by raising the min wage and cost them jobs and money. Then you post that Seattle went to far.
Why do you think that Missouri did not go too far?

Better yet, what has this potential rolling back the minimum wage done to hurt the working class?

The truth is that min wage jobs are not the working class. They are jobs for kids and old people to supplement retirement. They are jobs that are not work 13 dollars and hour and most likely not even 10 and hour.

The working class people are your regular blue and white collar workers working real jobs. Min wage being too high will actually hurt the middle class because if more people need welfare due to automation and other shit this min wage hike is making happen well guess who is going to get taxed for that.

So again, you provide no support for your position-----that this rollback is hurting the working class. Facts don't care about your feelings.

You should probably read the thread, lmao.

 

[ehtheist]

>Accuses someone of e-raping you

>Continues to go back for more

.... ok. So, no idea what the correct number is, eh? You came off like you knew what you were talking about.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Sure. And under slavery there was 100% employment. Oh, happy days are here again.

You know when the last time that black males had a greater percentage of employment than white males in america??? Right before the minimum wage was instated.

The minimum wage is RACIST. It has been used to price blacks out of jobs here and abroad....no wonder democrats love it though racist fuckers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carrie...motivations-behind-minimum-wage/#613cd8a511bb

The business-friendly National Center for Policy Analysis points out “the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring 'prevailing' wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using 'cheap colored labor' to underbid contractors using white labor.”

African-American economist Thomas Sowell with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution gives an uncomfortable historical primer behind minimum wage laws:

“In 1925, a minimum-wage law was passed in the Canadian province of British Columbia, with the intent and effect of pricing Japanese immigrants out of jobs in the lumbering industry.

A Harvard professor of that era referred approvingly to Australia’s minimum wage law as a means to “protect the white Australian’s standard of living from the invidious competition of the colored races, particularly of the Chinese” who were willing to work for less.

In South Africa during the era of apartheid, white labor unions urged that a minimum-wage law be applied to all races, to keep black workers from taking jobs away from white unionized workers by working for less than the union pay scale.”

In today’s South Africa, The New York Times reported on poor workers, many of them black, angry at government leaders enforcing labor laws the price them out of a job.

Get a sales job, earn as much as you put in.

Hey lets give all lazy fucks free money, as long as its not from your wallet right ?

liberal are real giving with other peoples money.

let me guess, your hero is this guy.

The autism is strong.[/QUOTE]


Dude, you are fucking killing it right now. Good posts.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

You should probably read the thread, lmao.

I read it and saw where you said your stupid shit. If you backed it up just post it again. If not then tough shit. Not my fault you made some stupid fuck claim that I am picking apart. Why should I have to read the whole thread to make sense out of your first post?

 

[Falsedawn]

.... ok. So, no idea what the correct number is, eh? You came off like you knew what you were talking about.

 

[Falsedawn]

I read it and saw where you said your stupid shit. If you backed it up just post it again. If not then tough shit. Not my fault you made some stupid fuck claim that I am picking apart. Why should I have to read the whole thread to make sense out of your first post?

Lmao, good job picking me apart. You totally said all kinds of things that I didn't already address pede. You're doing the lord's work, take a victory lap.