St. Louis minimum wage will drop from $10 to $7.70

[PEB]

Why is this thread not in the dump.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

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cause and effect.

Where i'm at we are two years removed form 15 minimum yet our company is already preemptively cutting hours for many workers.

Overtime hours or basic 40 hours?

 

[Offended]

You mean those lazy fucks that work 60 to 80 hours a week at minimum wage just to earn enough to pay the bills?

Simple solution, get better paying job.

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Overtime hours or basic 40 hours?

Cutting sub 24 for par timers and to 35 for full time.

Hilariously while expanding operations while business projected to double in the next decade.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I don't think people working part time at Burger King is your textbook definition of working class. And raising minimum wage will only cut those people hours and will not get them more money

I think it's the companies that need to figure it out. Just like the cotton plantations did after the war. Should people get paid less than their rent and utilities cost, not to mention grocery bills, so X employers business model is viable? At least if we had real universal healthcare it wouldn't be so bad needing to work 60+ hrs a week to make ends meet.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Simple solution, get better paying job.



Cutting sub 24 for par timers and to 35 for full time.

Hilariously while expanding operations while business projected to double in the next decade.

Some people can't get better jobs due to lack of education or discrimination or any other reason. Should that group be exploited with sub-livable wages so their employers can get rich?

Your employment issue is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that your employer can't pay you it's that he's going to run his business to maximize his own profits.

 

[Offended]

Some people can't get better jobs due to lack of education or discrimination or any other reason. Should that group be exploited with sub-livable wages so their employers can get rich?

Your employment issue is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not that your employer can't pay you it's that he's going to run his business to maximize his own profits.

Near ALL can go do physical labor and earn more then minimum wage. Higher MW wont change shit all for them. Prices will rise to match their earnings.

Everyone is exploited, if i weren't id me making a few hundredth thousand in "Fair wages" a year but am not cause its a business and they are run for profits DUHHHHHHHHH.

Let them, its There business not mine.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not sure what's going on with you lately, but you're uncharacteristically snapping at everyone. You take this stuff personally (and make it personal) for whatever reason, especially conversations about Islam.

Lol at for whatever reason, as if I don't receive a ton of filth from the hordes of cunts on this site for interrupting your circle jerk on Islam.

I stated from the start that this is coming from both sides. Gandhi has taken one perspective, and I am challenging him on it, even though I have conceded. We've had a perfectly pleasant exchange, there's no need to insert your anger here.

Just felt the need to once again point out your partisanship since it seems invisible to you. Again, notice every instance of personal attacks you mentioned are from the left towards the right. Not a single example of the kind of filth that gets thrown the other way would cross your mind because you only really care when it comes from one side of the aisle. And I make it a point to mention this kind of thing because your shtick of "but its both sides" is only ever used in defense of the right, sometimes some rather abhorrent views too such as deportation of non-white immigrants.

So overtime it becomes clear to others even if its not to you so I'm just reminding you of when I see it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I find it disturbing how many people employ ad homs in this conversation. This thread is littered with posts claiming that if anyone disagrees with a minimum wage hike, it must necessarily mean they hate the lower class, as if there is only one way to look at this.

You guys gotta cut that crap out for your own benefit. The dreaded "other side" is not filled with monsters, and that goes for all sides.

Unless they're Muslim, in which case you'd prefer a Chinese neighbor right?

 

[Offended]

Unless they're Muslim, in which case you'd prefer a Chinese neighbor right?

Everyone would. Especially some one with any animals, GoatLifes matter to!

 

[Islam Imamate]

Everyone would. Especially some one with any animals, GoatLifes matter to!

But what if I have a cat? I think at that point I'd prefer the Muslim neighbor.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Near ALL can go do physical labor and earn more then minimum wage. Higher MW wont change shit all for them. Prices will rise to match their earnings.

Everyone is exploited, if i weren't id me making a few hundredth thousand in "Fair wages" a year but am not cause its a business and they are run for profits DUHHHHHHHHH.

Let them, its There business not mine.

Well if you don't mind your own wages being cut so your boss can get richer then at least you're being consistent in not caring about increased minimum wage.

Not all companies are run blindly by profit with no regard to their employees. Some people only care about themselves though, like the guys running Enron and the bankers dealing in toxic loans, so regulation is necessary. Whatever loopholes the "greedy" get they will use them.

 

[Offended]

Well if you don't mind your own wages being cut so your boss can get richer then at least you're being consistent in not caring about increased minimum wage.

Not all companies are run blindly by profit with no regard to their employees. Some people only care about themselves though, like the guys running Enron and the bankers dealing in toxic loans, so regulation is necessary. Whatever loopholes the "greedy" get they will use them.

There not lol, they are cutting hours. Fuck all it affects me.

yahh they are.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

So what are they "untouchables", how much do you need to earn to be considered working class?

¨Working class¨

If you work you would be in that class even if your job is shining shoes. If you have to change the meanings of basic English words to make your ideology fit then your ideology is likely zhit.

Maybe they can add a ¨slave/serf class¨ under the ¨working class¨ to describe these people in the Murkan caste system.

 

[dontsnitch]

as if I don't receive a ton of filth from the hordes of cunts

I don't care if we have some differences, I don't address you "with filth" and I never make it personal with you, but you have been making it personal with me as of late. You're taking the filth you receive out on me and t's unbecoming. I also have a very low threshold for those who can't disagree and keep it civil. If you can't find a way to communicate with me without making it personal, I'm going to ignore you, and I don't want to do that because you're a good poster otherwise.

And while I acknowledge that I have a bias, your portrayal of me is incorrect. The very fact that my entire argument in this thread has been that I believe humanity generally wants what's best should tell you that I don't believe those on the left are generally immoral. I happen to believe that those on the left happen to use these types of tactics more than the right, but that's not to say that this tactic is partisan. Again, the argument that those who oppose MW hikes do so because they hate the poor is the mirror argument that says that proponents of it are vindictive and want to steal from others. Neither of these represents either side.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

You're post before this one came off much more butthurt than mine did, and now you're deflecting. You can't prove it and can't find a source so now you're trying to say i'm "mad". If you knew it had nothing to do with the thread topic, then why post it? Oh, because you wanted to lie to try and push a narrative. I've been to many terrible neighborhoods and unless you are a gang member, start shit with someone, or walk around alone at night with stuff worth stealing you generally will be left alone. I'm lucky enough to live in a great neighborhood with almost zero crime.

I live next to a private beach so i go for walks/runs everyday. I don't know what point yor're trying to make with that comment, but i assume you are trying to accuse me of being someone who needs to get out of the house as if i have no life. Look at my post count. I barely post on here, and almost never post in the war room. I think including these posts i've made maybe 10 posts in the war room in my lifetime. I have nothing against you and i'm done arguing with you since you obviously can't provide proof or a source and are now resorting to making assumptions about me. Have a nice day.

EDIT: And Jack with the smackdown on someone who is trying to backtrack and can't handle being called on their bullshit.

Oh my.. I only got through the first two sentences.

Ok.. I was intrigued. So I read the rest....
The take a walk comment was because you seemed to be getting very upset over nothing.. you even took that comment to some crazy ass delusional point about what you think I thought of you.
Seriously. WTF? Crazy...........cukoo cukoo


You want a Source? Google White Castle bullet proof glass......then close your eyes and imagine what stores were ike 20 years.

 

[Gandhi]

Now that you've explained that it's not immoral per se, I can more easily see your perspective. Though I'll wager that the vast majority of the people in the WR fall into the Middle Class, and as such, I don't think these people are fat cats "at the top" like the ones you're describing, which is why the "you don't care about poor people" makes even less sense here, IMO.

As for the "sinister other side", that's exactly my point. Both sides are engaged in some tribal war of rhetoric, which is what I'm objecting to.

Last question for you to get a better sense of your position- out of 100 people who disagree with a minimum wage hike, how many are doing it because they don't care about poor people, versus thinking that it's simply not advantageous? Just a rough estimate to get a sense of how you see the world.

A large part of the WR falls into the last place aversion/ identity politics category. I have to answer bit of a different question to keep it simple, the vast majority of people who oppose the minimum wage in principal or have no alternative govt policy to address poverty besides market fundamentalism, just DGAF about the poor. These days that includes the vast majority of the right which is unfortunate.

 

[dontsnitch]

A large part of the WR falls into the last place aversion/ identity politics category. I have to answer bit of a different question to keep it simple, the vast majority of people who oppose the minimum wage in principal or have no alternative govt policy to address poverty besides market fundamentalism, just DGAF about the poor. These days that includes the vast majority of the right which is unfortunate.

I understand what you're saying, though I ultimately disagree with the prevalence of this attitude as per my experiences. I hope for our sake you're wrong that it's the vast majority, but again, I can't discount the possibility that you're right. On a side note, even if people do have sinister motives, it doesn't mean that their conclusions are necessarily wrong.

What I would like to see happen, especially in the WR, is that we don't assume to understand someone's motivation without asking them first. Even if you're right that there are a lot of people who are indifferent or worse, it makes for a bad atmosphere to accuse someone of having sinister motives simply because they take a position. It's one thing to make a generalization, but it's another to put that on someone without evidence.

 

[Gandhi]

I understand what you're saying, though I ultimately disagree with the prevalence of this attitude as per my experiences. I hope for our sake you're wrong that it's the vast majority, but again, I can't discount the possibility that you're right. On a side note, even if people do have sinister motives, it doesn't mean that their conclusions are necessarily wrong.

What I would like to see happen, especially in the WR, is that we don't assume to understand someone's motivation without asking them first. Even if you're right that there are a lot of people who are indifferent or worse, it makes for a bad atmosphere to accuse someone of having sinister motives simply because they take a position. It's one thing to make a generalization, but it's another to put that on someone without evidence.

They may not be wrong but unless they have a reasonable alternative then they certainly DGAF!!!!

As to the generalizations, maybe but that would make for a boring WR. I am just doing my level best to take the side that is by far less egregious while remaining relatively civil myself. From that perspective you are good on the latter but falling short on the former fine sir .

 

[dontsnitch]

They may not be wrong but unless they have a reasonable alternative then they certainly DGAF!!!!

As to the generalizations, maybe but that would make for a boring WR. I am just doing my level best to take the side that is by far less egregious while remaining relatively civil myself. From that perspective you are good on the latter but falling short on the former fine sir .

You may very well be right. Truthfully, I like to focus more on the philosophical side rather than actual policies, which I understand is annoying to some people. Thanks for indulging me! Cheers.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't care if we have some differences, I don't address you "with filth" and I never make it personal with you, but you have been making it personal with me as of late. You're taking the filth you receive out on me and t's unbecoming. I also have a very low threshold for those who can't disagree and keep it civil. If you can't find a way to communicate with me without making it personal, I'm going to ignore you, and I don't want to do that because you're a good poster otherwise.

And while I acknowledge that I have a bias, your portrayal of me is incorrect. The very fact that my entire argument in this thread has been that I believe humanity generally wants what's best should tell you that I don't believe those on the left are generally immoral. I happen to believe that those on the left happen to use these types of tactics more than the right, but that's not to say that this tactic is partisan. Again, the argument that those who oppose MW hikes do so because they hate the poor is the mirror argument that says that proponents of it are vindictive and want to steal from others. Neither of these represents either side.