squats - bench press - deadlift weight ratio

I think another factor that explains why more of the heavier lifters squat more than they deadlift, even raw, is that the grip isn't enhanced much with muscle and weight gain. A lot of guys with powerful legs and backs just can't hold onto what their muscles could pull.

The ratios given earlier of 1.5, 2, and 2.5x bodyweight I've seen many times before and seem right for a balanced, drug free, raw lifter. They are the goals I am shooting for. You could also add a bodyweight strict overhead press to that. My squat is ahead at 95% of goal, the bench is at 91%, the deadlift 90%, and the press a mere 83%.
 
I don't think I have seen many heavy pulls missed because of grip.
 
My bench is better than my deadlift... by quite a bit. That sucks. Help!











Somebody for fucks sake, HELP ME!!
 
Chaos Mitten said:
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Top 10 unequipped raw squats and deadlifts in US powerlifting contests during 2007

75kg
Squat
Rank	Name	Federation	Date	Deadlift
1. 	Tony Conyers	RAW	2007-03-31	530
2. 	Joe Rosato Jr	WNPF	2007-04-01	465
2. 	Eric Talmant	APA	2007-06-30	465
4. 	Mike Wilcox	WNPF	2007-11-11	463
5. 	Ben Knotts	NASA	2007-10-21	462
6. 	Bill Croft	AAU	2007-12-02	457
7. 	Jeff Phillips	NASA	2007-06-02	451
8. 	John Polak	RAW	2007-12-02	450
9. 	Acosta    	WNPF	2007-04-21	441
9. 	Larry Dyles	AAU	2007-12-02	441
Deadlift
1. 	Bill Croft	AAU	2007-12-02	617
2. 	Tony Conyers	RAW	2007-03-31	605
3. 	Mike Hart	WNPF	2007-07-29	585
3. 	WC Waldron	PPL	2007-10-20	585
5. 	Eric Talmant	APA	2007-06-30	580
6. 	James Hinson	NASA	2007-08-05	556
7. 	Jeff Phillips	NASA	2007-10-21	551
7. 	Roca    	WNPF	2007-11-11	551
9. 	Acosta    	WNPF	2007-04-21	545
10. 	Theodorou	ADAU	2007-08-04	540

82.5kg
Squat
1. 	Mike Mogard	NASA	2007-03-31	562
2. 	Vince Johnson	USAPL	2007-12-08	540
3. 	Brian Tincher	APF	2007-06-30	529
4. 	Mike Wilcox	WNPF	2007-07-28	525
5. 	Wilcox	        WNPF	2007-11-11	518
6. 	Randy Gallan	AAU	2007-06-24	507
7. 	A Hobaica	WNPF	2007-05-20	501
8. 	Jimi Aikey	AAU	2007-07-07	500
9. 	Catina	        WNPF	2007-05-20	485
10. 	Matt Ackerley	WNPF	2007-07-29	480
Deadlift
1. 	Joe Braca	USAPL	2007-12-02	644
2. 	Brian Tincher	APF	2007-06-30	589
3. 	J McDougal	NASA	2007-10-13	584
3. 	Brian Kiraly	AAU	2007-12-02	584
5. 	Philip Kramer	NASA	2007-10-21	573
6. 	Jimi Aikey	AAU	2007-07-07	570
7. 	Brad Clark	NASA	2007-03-31	562
7. 	A Hobaica	WNPF	2007-05-20	562
9. 	Danny Aguirre	APA	2007-04-07	560
10. 	Vince Johnson	USAPL	2007-12-08	556

90kg
Squat
1. 	Lauren Cohen	USAPL	2007-04-28	600
1. 	Allan Massie	APF	2007-09-15	600
3. 	Brian Lang	WNPF	2007-06-23	585
4. 	Noah Divine	USAPL	2007-12-01	578
5. 	Robert Samsa	RAW	2007-07-28	575
6. 	Nick Whitmer	NASA	2007-10-21	562
7. 	Virgil Bowling	NASA	2007-03-24	556
8. 	Dan Glos	NASA	2007-10-21	551
9. 	Nate Roten	AAU	2007-10-14	545
10. 	Michael Hopkins	IBP	2007-04-14	535
Deadlift
1. 	Darren Dorn	NASA	2007-05-05	705
2. 	Rob Herring	RAW	2007-09-15	700
3. 	Josh Decker	ADFPF	2007-03-03	672
4. 	Eddie White	NASA	2007-08-04	628
5. 	Mike Lane	APA	2007-11-03	625
6. 	Larry Russell	APA	2007-12-15	620
7. 	Mike Bishop	SPF	2007-06-16	610
8. 	Nick Whitmer	NASA	2007-10-21	600
9. 	Travis Pardue	AAU	2007-10-14	600
9. 	Tim Henriques	RAW	2007-07-26	600

100kg
Squat
1. 	Robert Samsa	RAW	2007-12-02	605
1. 	Travis Tilley	APF	2007-10-14	605
3. 	Mike Barcelone	APF	2007-04-21	600
4. 	Russell Yee	AAU	2007-12-15	584
5. 	 Bricker	WNPF	2007-06-23	580
6. 	Mark Schwartz	USAPL	2007-10-27	570
7. 	Lenny Creatura	ADAU	2007-06-02	567
8. 	Ben Royer	ADAU	2007-06-02	562
9. 	Tim Fox	        USAPL	2007-06-02	560
10. 	Woody Leonard	RAW	2007-12-02	555
Deadlift
1. 	Brandon Cox	APA	2007-02-17	702
2. 	Russell Yee	AAU	2007-05-12	683
3. 	Terry Tucker	NASA	2007-06-02	677
4. 	Travis Tilley	APF	2007-10-14	660
5. 	Ben Royer	ADAU	2007-06-02	655
6. 	Qieed Ishmael	APF	2007-04-07	640
7. 	Nate DuFour	USAPL	2007-12-15	633
8. 	Adam Harris	AAU	2007-10-14	628
9. 	Matt Makara	RAW	2007-07-28	625
10. 	Frank Williams	USAPL	2007-03-10	622

110kg
Squat
1. 	Tyson Myers	NASA	2007-10-21	710
2. 	Pat Susco	APF	2007-01-13	675
3. 	James Jacobs	RAW	2007-12-02	650
4. 	Steven Elliott	IPA	2007-11-18	640
5. 	Michael Eaton	RAW	2007-12-02	630
6. 	Jesse Rodgers	SPF	2007-06-16	625
6. 	Nick Hammer	RAW	2007-12-02	625
8. 	Jeff Neuhalfen	SPF	2007-10-06	610
8. 	Erik Whitfield	SPF	2007-10-06	610
10. 	 Maltezos	WNPF	2007-02-24	606
Deadlift
1. 	James Jacobs	APA	2007-12-15	740
2. 	Jason Smith	NASA	2007-12-01	732
3. 	Steven Elliott	IPA	2007-11-18	725
4. 	James Deighan	ADAU	2007-12-09	705
5. 	David Cooper	ADAU	2007-08-04	700
5. 	Dale Sledge	USAPL	2007-06-02	700
5. 	Michael Eaton	RAW	2007-12-02	700
8. 	Benjamin Asmann	APA	2007-02-03	690
9. 	Tyson Myers	NASA	2007-10-21	661
9. 	Richard Ambrose	WNPF	2007-10-27	661

125kg
Squat
1. 	Troy Nash	APA	2007-09-22	805
2. 	Luke Edwards	IPA	2007-11-18	700
3. 	Tim Lyons	WNPF	2007-02-24	694
4. 	Mike Hedlesky	USAPL	2007-12-08	666
5. 	Jeff Fambrough	WNPF	2007-11-11	661
6. 	Chris Johnson	NASA	2007-06-02	650
7. 	Dan Lobue	WNPF	2007-08-04	640
8. 	Chris Senese	SPF	2007-11-10	635
9. 	Tom Snellings	SPF	2007-03-03	625
9. 	Tom Kristoff	WNPF	2007-07-29	625
Deadlift
1. 	Troy Nash	APA	2007-11-03	710
2. 	Ben Moore	APA	2007-11-03	705
3. 	Luke Edwards	IPA	2007-11-18	700
4. 	Mike Hedlesky	USAPL	2007-12-08	699
5. 	Tim Lyons	WNPF	2007-02-24	667
6. 	Brian Brouwer	WNPF	2007-02-24	661
7. 	Gary Bess	USAPL	2007-03-31	660
8. 	Matt Warren	RAW	2007-07-26	660
9. 	Greg Payne	AAU	2007-06-24	655
10. 	David Lathroum	USAPL	2007-02-24	650

SHW
Squat
1. 	R Wilkerson	APF	2007-09-22	854
2. 	Michael Neal	IBP	2007-09-22	800
4. 	Rich DeLeon	AAU	2007-12-15	705
5. 	Kyle Milnes	USAPL	2007-11-10	680
6. 	Kirt Studevant	AAU	2007-10-14	650
6. 	Cody Yager	RAW	2007-12-02	650
8. 	Scott Marcum	NASA	2007-04-21	622
9. 	Jim Pope	USAPL	2007-11-03	617
10. 	John Rekassi	WNPF	2007-04-28	615
Deadlift
1. 	James Searcy	SPF	 2007-06-16	810
2. 	 Nichols	WNPF	2007-11-11	760
3. 	Dan Corridean	ADAU	2007-06-03	738
4. 	Beau Moore	USAPL	2007-06-16	766
5. 	 Reghetti	WNPF	2007-12-08	725
6. 	Kirt Studevant	AAU	2007-10-14	721
7. 	John Conner	NASA	2007-03-24	705
8. 	V Eldridge	APF	2007-04-07	700
8. 	Cody Yager	RAW	2007-12-02	700
8. 	Thomas Dillard	RAW	2007-07-26	700

Note: APA, NASA and WNPF allow knee wraps. Also, the APA and APF have incredibly loose standards for squats.

The only weight classes where the best squat is higher than the best deadlift are the 275lb and SHW classes, and even there, the averages of the weights for the top ten lifts is higher for deadlifts. Assuming that there is no equipment involved and that the person is squatting to proper depth, the most common reasons for somebody squatting more than they can deadlift is that they have really shitty deadlift leverages or have a huge belly that helps them rebound out of the bottom of a squat (e.g. enright).

Once again, you have proven that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, Sherpa.
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110% owned
 
And Sherpa loses any respect the collective internet had for him. Well done sir
 
Man, I still got a ways to go :)

I was starting to think I was getting just a little strong, and you all had to ruin it for me. Of course it doesn't help that I'm putting on a lot of weight...these goals are rising as fast as my actual numbers.
 
I just wanted to say - I bet there isn't much this guy couldn't lift:

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I always thought Bebop looked pretty strong. I mean, look at those gunz!

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Now that I'm more well-informed, I see that he's just a curl monkey. Fuckin' mutants don't know how to work their lower body. N00bs!



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hi

im 6'4", 96kg or about 215 pounds

i can squat 130kg or 286 pounds for 3 reps

deadlift 140kg or 308 pounds for 4 reps

and bench, i dunno - havent done heavy for a while, probably about 100kg or 220 pounds for 3 reps

how am i doing?

never tried 1 rep max

intermediate to advanced? :) or novice :{

i am training for bjj/mma and not power lifting :}
 
Not quite intermediate but not really novice either.
 
depends how you're also doing these lifts. Post a video of your squat...most people who start squatting, do so without going down low enough...
 
DEVILsSON said:
depends how you're also doing these lifts. Post a video of your squat...most people who start squatting, do so without going down low enough...
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i squat at least to parallel

fairly deep tho im sure i could go deeper
 
I have always deadlifted more than I squatted. Most people who I have experienced saying that you should squat more than you deadlift were squatting egregiously above parallel, pulling with terrible form, or both.
 
i'm a reformed curl monkey who only started deadlifting and squating about 5 months ago. basically i was on a body building split for the first 6 years of lifting.
so anyway i feel like i've gotten to watch both grow at the same rate, as i really started doing both excersises at the same time.
currently i'm just over 82.5 kg.
squat (always ATG) -245
deadlift- 365
bench- 405

right now i'm experiencing massive noob-gains for my lower body. i just hope they don't start leveling out for awile.
 
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