Squat Technique

[DoomPatrol]

https://barbend.com/clarence-kennedy-powerlifting-weightlifting/

He's had surgery in both knees and has patellar tendinopathy

Yeah, but he's also a serious athlete right? If we looked at the top ten all time squatters in powerlifting vs weightlifting, do you think you're going to find a higher rate of knee surgery and injury in weightlifting?

 

[deadshot138]

Yeah, but he's also a serious athlete right? If we looked at the top ten all time squatters in powerlifting vs weightlifting, do you think you're going to find a higher rate of knee surgery and injury in weightlifting?

Serious athlete? Top 10 all time? He's neither of those. He's got big numbers but stopped competing likely when he started juicing

 

[DoomPatrol]

Serious athlete? Top 10 all time? He's neither of those. He's got big numbers but stopped competing likely when he started juicing

Dude snatches 185+ kg at 103kg and he's not a serious athlete? The current world record in competition is 199kg in that same weight class.



I didn't say he was top ten. I can anecdotally point to dozens of shitty powerlifters who have had surgery from powerlifting. What I'm saying is if you take the ten best from each sport, you're not going to find much higher rates of injury for each one and weightlifters are doing nothing but squat variations.

 

[JimRussel]

Dude snatches 185+ kg at 103kg

yay drugz

The current world record in competition is 199kg in that same weight class.

aw sad no drugz 4 competition

 

[-Magua-]

A lot of that rigid dogma comes from the Cult of Rippetoe and his autistic devotees. They take a Starting Strength seminar and suddenly think they're experts on biomechanics. I remember they used to share their unsolicited advice on squat videos of weightlifters lol. This is bad form to them-

That’s impressive. Geared up or not.
Nice control and depth.

 

[DoomPatrol]

yay drugz

They worked for you right?

aw sad no drugz 4 competition

I would be highly surprised if the top Olympic weightlifters aren't doing steroids and other drugs. I'm pretty sure WADA is only limiting how much they do before competition, not removing it entirely.

 

[JimRussel]

I would be highly surprised if the top Olympic weightlifters aren't doing steroids and other drugs. I'm pretty sure WADA is only limiting how much they do before competition, not removing it entirely.

That was my point. You're comparing gassed up training numbers to WADA tested competition numbers. Also, in competition, you get 3 attempts. Who knows how many attempts it took Clarence to hit that 185 kg?

Akkaev snatched 210 kg in training back in the day and didn't cut much to get to 105 kg for competition. That'd probably a more fair comparison.

Of course they're doing drugs. That's why you see bigger numbers in training than competition. They still have to pass a test on meet day, though, which is a significant consideration. You're also more likely to miss a snatch several times in a row and then hit it, unlike, say, a deadlift. As I mentioned, you're afforded that luxury in training, but not in competition.

tl;dr - your initial comparison was dumb.

 

[JimRussel]

10 kg over the world record at that time.

 

[DoomPatrol]

That was my point. You're comparing gassed up training numbers to WADA tested competition numbers. Also, in competition, you get 3 attempts. Who knows how many attempts it took Clarence to hit that 185 kg?

That's pretty irrelevant. I never claimed he was a top weightlifter. Someone else bought him up and said he wasn't a serious athlete. Juiced to the gills and twenty attempts or not, if you're putting up snatches within 20kg of the world record you're a serious athlete.

Even if he was in an official competition and being tested, he would still be putting up high enough numbers to be a serious competitor.

Akkaev snatched 210 kg in training back in the day and didn't cut much to get to 105 kg for competition. That'd probably a more fair comparison.

Of course they're doing drugs. That's why you see bigger numbers in training than competition. They still have to pass a test on meet day, though, which is a significant consideration. You're also more likely to miss a snatch several times in a row and then hit it, unlike, say, a deadlift. As I mentioned, you're afforded that luxury in training, but not in competition.

tl;dr - your initial comparison was dumb.

Tl;Dr - no shit competition is different than a gym lift.

Are you not a serious athlete because you take steroids? Brian Shaw isn't a serious athlete now? Larry Wheels not serious?

 

[ASUThermo]

10 kg over the world record at that time.

London was set up to be such an awesome competition at 105, what a let down.

 

[JimRussel]

Are you not a serious athlete

Definitely am not a serious athlete.

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

That's pretty irrelevant. I never claimed he was a top weightlifter. Someone else bought him up and said he wasn't a serious athlete. Juiced to the gills and twenty attempts or not, if you're putting up snatches within 20kg of the world record you're a serious athlete.

Even if he was in an official competition and being tested, he would still be putting up high enough numbers to be a serious competitor.



Tl;Dr - no shit competition is different than a gym lift.

Are you not a serious athlete because you take steroids? Brian Shaw isn't a serious athlete now? Larry Wheels not serious?

He's certainly athletic (his background was in trick jumping) but you can't really call someone who doesn't compete a "serious athlete". And AFAIK, he has never competed in any sanctioned lifting meet. Shaw and Wheels both have official numbers. But that's just semantics.

Drugs or not, he could probably have made the Ireland Olympic team. Ireland's official best snatch for 102 kg is just 138kg. But he wouldn't be internationally competitive.

 

[JimRussel]

And AFAIK, he has never competed in any sanctioned lifting meet.

Did that 4 seconds of work for you, brah.

https://www.iwf.net/results/athletes/?athlete=kennedy-clarence-1993-08-09&id=9105

 

[dissectingaorticaneurysm]

Did that 4 seconds of work for you, brah.

https://www.iwf.net/results/athletes/?athlete=kennedy-clarence-1993-08-09&id=9105

Serious Athlete Numbers confirmed.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Definitely am not a serious athlete.

So why do you take steroids then?

 

[JimRussel]

So why do you take steroids then?

Why don’t you?

 

[DoomPatrol]

Why don’t you?

Cost, side effects, and I don't compete. I took them when I was serving in the Marine Corps to perform better on deployment but that was like 15 years ago. Now I just want to be strong, healthy and look good. I'm getting consistent gains without them at the moment. I would possibly consider TRT as I get older if I felt the need. Right now it just seems unnecessary.

So why do you take them if you're not a serious athlete? I'm honestly not judging anyone for using. I just don't see the real need if you're not a serious athlete with money or health on the line.

 

[weirdflex]

That's pretty irrelevant. I never claimed he was a top weightlifter. Someone else bought him up and said he wasn't a serious athlete. Juiced to the gills and twenty attempts or not, if you're putting up snatches within 20kg of the world record you're a serious athlete.

Even if he was in an official competition and being tested, he would still be putting up high enough numbers to be a serious competitor.



Tl;Dr - no shit competition is different than a gym lift.

Are you not a serious athlete because you take steroids? Brian Shaw isn't a serious athlete now? Larry Wheels not serious?

Clarence is seriously athletic but definitely not a serious athlete. An athlete needs to compete by most popular definitions, without competition and credible competitions at that. They are not an athlete.
And while Clarence's gym lifts are incredibly impressive and show a rare talent it is still miles, miles off those who are in the proper world level contests.
Clarence only competed at one serious contest in his life (Europeans) and completely bombed..
All the top level weightlifters do outrageous numbers in the gym , they very rarely let anyone outside their team know or see what they did in training because it is seen as irrelevant.
Clarence notoriously takes tens of attempts to hit anything close to a PR. To do your best snatch in contest conditions and then your very best jerk immediately after with only three attempts is a vastly different task to gym PRs.

Larry Wheels is also not a serious athlete yet as he hasn't really proven himself in credible competitions. His powerlifting records are all set in the one dubious fed with dubious green plates.
His only credible world level competition was the log lift competition he entered. Which you could argue does make him a real athlete. It's debateable. He is nearly there.
It doesn't matter for him as his success and income lie elsewhere, more so as a fitness model/vlogger.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Clarence is seriously athletic but definitely not a serious athlete. An athlete needs to compete by most popular definitions, without competition and credible competitions at that. They are not an athlete.
And while Clarence's gym lifts are incredibly impressive and show a rare talent it is still miles, miles off those who are in the proper world level contests.
Clarence only competed at one serious contest in his life (Europeans) and completely bombed..
All the top level weightlifters do outrageous numbers in the gym , they very rarely let anyone outside their team know or see what they did in training because it is seen as irrelevant.
Clarence notoriously takes tens of attempts to hit anything close to a PR. To do your best snatch in contest conditions and then your very best jerk immediately after with only three attempts is a vastly different task to gym PRs.

Larry Wheels is also not a serious athlete yet as he hasn't really proven himself in credible competitions. His powerlifting records are all set in the one dubious fed with dubious green plates.
His only credible world level competition was the log lift competition he entered. Which you could argue does make him a real athlete. It's debateable. He is nearly there.
It doesn't matter for him as his success and income lie elsewhere, more so as a fitness model/vlogger.

Jim posted his IWF and he competed in nationals twice, ranking #2 his last meet. So I wouldn't consider that bombing.

And you definitely don't need to compete in sanctioned events to be an athlete.

And the fact that you're putting Larry Wheels into "not a serious athlete" category turns your entire comment into silliness.

 

[weirdflex]

I've just seen that Larry Successfully lifter at Arnold's this year. That imo seals the deal and makes him a credible elite athlete.

Also noticed he has competed in wrpf which is also credible as an untested fed but still not the best. Which would be USPA.

I thought he had only competed in RPS , which may aswell be a gym lift. That fed has zero credibility.