Social Spying on Trump confirmed: Operation Crossfire Hurricane ***UPDATE: Comey Admits, "I Was Wrong" ***

If the debate between @bobgeese and @Cake4Breakfast was an MMA fight, I would have to score it like this:

30-24 in favor of bobgeese.

Bob has clear, objective, and measurable sources, while Cake is just ignoring them and/or pretending they don't exist.

After Bob dropped him with a NYT article, Cake just wasn't able to fully recover.
 
If the debate between @bobgeese and @Cake4Breakfast was an MMA fight, I would have to score it like this:

30-24 in favor of bobgeese.

Bob has clear, objective, and measurable sources, while Cake is just ignoring them and/or pretending they don't exist.

After Bob dropped him with a NYT article, Cake just wasn't able to fully recover.
lol so now the NYT is an objective measurable source? Thought it was "fake news" and the "failing New York Times" I just can't keep up.
 
lol so now the NYT is an objective measurable source? Thought it was "fake news" and the "failing New York Times" I just can't keep up.
It's time to throw in the towel when even the NYT defends Trump.
 
If the debate between @bobgeese and @Cake4Breakfast was an MMA fight, I would have to score it like this:

30-24 in favor of bobgeese.

Bob has clear, objective, and measurable sources, while Cake is just ignoring them and/or pretending they don't exist.

After Bob dropped him with a NYT article, Cake just wasn't able to fully recover.

The fight would be stopped on account of death
 
If the debate between @bobgeese and @Cake4Breakfast was an MMA fight, I would have to score it like this:

30-24 in favor of bobgeese.

Bob has clear, objective, and measurable sources, while Cake is just ignoring them and/or pretending they don't exist.

After Bob dropped him with a NYT article, Cake just wasn't able to fully recover.



“You know cak4breakfest respects bobs sources Joe”

<Goldie11>
 
Wtf are you talking about? Did you not read what I posted from the NYT?

Again,




Their report helped provide the foundation for a case that, a year ago Thursday, became the special counsel investigation



....

THE foundation cake, THE foundation, not a foundation, not part of, THE FOUNDATION of what became the S.C. investigation.


Furthermore, you’ve provided ZERO SOURCES to your claim that Halper was dispatched because of suspicion regarding Page. On top of that, again, Page had already cooperated and ASSISTED the FBI exposing Russians working in the US. To date, ZERO charges have been brought against Page.


So again, you come back with your unsourced claims and ignore or are too daft to understand my SOURCED material. Now, either find some sources for your bullshit, or


<DisgustingHHH>

I think we need to talk about your drinking, it's becoming a problem.


I mean are you even reading my posts before you respond, if you want to debate with someone you should debate the things that person says.


To recap, I never said Crossfire Hurricane started because of Page (though he was someone the FBI had been concerned about going back to 2013), and I never said that Halper was dispatched to interview Page because of George P’s drunk talk with the Aussie.


And you keep saying that Page “assisted” the FBI, when in fact he is somebody they interviewed out of concern. And Yes he wasn’t indicted with the Russians spies in 2015, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a continuing concern, and stop acting like the FBI continuing to investigate him, out of concern that Russia could be trying to manipulate him in his new role as an advisor to Trump in 2016, is somehow unrelated to exactly what the FBI has tapes of the Russians talking about him in 2013.


In terms of Halper reaching out to Page because of the FBI's continuing concerns about Page, even beyond the 2013 Russian intel stuff, Page’s weirdness toward Russia had long been a concern (e.g., Ian Bremmer, the president of the Eurasia Group, a risk-consulting firm where Page had previously worked, said that Page had become a pro-Kremlin “wackadoodle.”


"The account of Page’s abrupt departure from the Eurasia Group suggests that concerns about Page and questions about his links to Russia were known in some professional circles for nearly two decades, and long before Page joined Trump’s successful presidential campaign."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pro-kremlin-views-1998-consulting-russia-ties


But back to 2016, it has been long reported that JD Gordon, the director of the Trump campaign's National Security Advisory Committee, had concerns about Page, first he thought it was weird that Page (who sent an email to Gordon about this in May), was suggesting that Trump visit Russia "to raise the temperature a little bit”, and then in a June meeting of Washington foreign policy experts with the Indian Prime Minister, Page weirded people out by praising Putin as stronger and more reliable than Obama.


And then Gordon also tried his damnedest to stop Page from the "really dumb idea" of Page going to Moscow for a speaking engagement at the prestigious New Economic School with ties to the Kremlin, where Arkady Dvorkovich, Russia's deputy prime minister, was chairman of the board. Weird place for someone who Russia intel thought was an “idiot” to speak and meet with “mostly scholars”, no?


So Page went around Gordon to Lewandowski, and Corey said okay, but that Page couldn’t go as a representative of the campaign, but that he had to go in his private capacity. It was this trip to Moscow that caught the attention of the FBI. And add to that what Gordon had said about Page’s grandiose ideas of his role in Trump's campaign, that "he wanted to be US Ambassador to Moscow," someone whose “enthusiasm works” for Russian intel and who is an “idiot” who “wants to earn a lot of money.”


So as I said earlier, on July 7, 2016, Page traveled to Moscow and delivered a lecture at the New Economic School where he criticized “Washington and other Western capitals” in a speech that Russia loved and Alexander Dugin, a Kremlin connected political scientist who had urged Russia to “kill, kill, kill” Ukranians, heavily promoted Page’s lecture. He also met with Dvorkovich and sent the Trump campaign a memo noting “Dvorkovich expressed a strong support for Mr. Trump”. He also emailed Gordon that he had gained "incredible insights and outreach ... from a few Russian legislators and senior members of the presidential administration here."


Everything I am saying is generally known information, I am referencing Michael Isikoff’s book Russian Roulette, pages 158-161, but you can find this stuff elsewhere, you want sources Bob, here ya go!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/carter-page-is-a-very-unlikely-gop-hero/570655/


https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-carter-page-trump-russia-moscow-trip-2017-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/car...l-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11


But to boil it down, your main argument is what, because Page was not indicted he therefore should not have been investigated, and because he was not indicted, the investigation into him was improper?<JagsKiddingMe>


And you are still avoiding my question about the deep state’s battle plan. Smatter, you scared? Break that down for me, what were they doing not leaking before the election this nefarious investigation they cooked up to torpedo Trump? You wanna cut heads with me Bob, you need to answer that lick:

th
 
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“You know cak4breakfest respects bobs sources Joe”

<Goldie11>

You know @Farmer Br0wn thinking you are making good points works against you, right?<{Heymansnicker}>

He was trying to taunt @Madmick that the indictment of Greg Craig was evidence of surveillance abuse, before Madmick slapped him around and pointed out it was actually another indictment substantiating the validity of the Mueller investigation, which Farmer Brown had opposed.
 
If the debate between @bobgeese and @Cake4Breakfast was an MMA fight, I would have to score it like this:

30-24 in favor of bobgeese.

Bob has clear, objective, and measurable sources, while Cake is just ignoring them and/or pretending they don't exist.

After Bob dropped him with a NYT article, Cake just wasn't able to fully recover.

Going forward, I would encourage you to consider the words of Mark Twain before posting:

th
 
I think we need to talk about your drinking, it's becoming a problem.


I mean are you even reading my posts before you respond, if you want to debate with someone you should debate the things that person says.


To recap, I never said Crossfire Hurricane started because of Page (though he was someone the FBI had been concerned about going back to 2013), and I never said that Halper was dispatched to interview Page because of George P’s drunk talk with the Aussie.


And you keep saying that Page “assisted” the FBI, when in fact he is somebody they interviewed out of concern. And Yes he wasn’t indicted with the Russians spies in 2015, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a continuing concern, and stop acting like the FBI continuing to investigate him, out of concern that Russia could be trying to manipulate him in his new role as an advisor to Trump in 2016, is somehow unrelated to exactly what the FBI has tapes of the Russians talking about him in 2013.


In terms of Halper reaching out to Page because of the FBI's continuing concerns about Page, even beyond the 2013 Russian intel stuff, Page’s weirdness toward Russia had long been a concern (e.g., Ian Bremmer, the president of the Eurasia Group, a risk-consulting firm where Page had previously worked, said that Page had become a pro-Kremlin “wackadoodle.”


"The account of Page’s abrupt departure from the Eurasia Group suggests that concerns about Page and questions about his links to Russia were known in some professional circles for nearly two decades, and long before Page joined Trump’s successful presidential campaign."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pro-kremlin-views-1998-consulting-russia-ties


But back to 2016, it has been long reported that JD Gordon, the director of the Trump campaign's National Security Advisory Committee, had concerns about Page, first he thought it was weird that Page (who sent an email to Gordon about this in May), was suggesting that Trump visit Russia "to raise the temperature a little bit”, and then in a June meeting of Washington foreign policy experts with the Indian Prime Minister, Page weirded people out by praising Putin as stronger and more reliable than Obama.


And then Gordon also tried his damnedest to stop Page from the "really dumb idea" of Page going to Moscow for a speaking engagement at the prestigious New Economic School with ties to the Kremlin, where Arkady Dvorkovich, Russia's deputy prime minister, was chairman of the board. Weird place for someone who Russia intel thought was an “idiot” to speak and meet with “mostly scholars”, no?


So Page went around Gordon to Lewandowski, and Corey said okay, but that Page couldn’t go as a representative of the campaign, but that he had to go in his private capacity. It was this trip to Moscow that caught the attention of the FBI. And add to that what Gordon had said about Page’s grandiose ideas of his role in Trump's campaign, that "he wanted to be US Ambassador to Moscow," someone whose “enthusiasm works” for Russian intel and who is an “idiot” who “wants to earn a lot of money.”


So as I said earlier, on July 7, 2016, Page traveled to Moscow and delivered a lecture at the New Economic School where he criticized “Washington and other Western capitals” in a speech that Russia loved and Alexander Dugin, a Kremlin connected political scientist who had urged Russia to “kill, kill, kill” Ukranians, heavily promoted Page’s lecture. He also met with Dvorkovich and sent the Trump campaign a memo noting “Dvorkovich expressed a strong support for Mr. Trump”. He also emailed Gordon that he had gained "incredible insights and outreach ... from a few Russian legislators and senior members of the presidential administration here."


Everything I am saying is generally known information, I am referencing Michael Isikoff’s book Russian Roulette, pages 158-161, but you can find this stuff elsewhere, you want sources Bob, here ya go!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/carter-page-is-a-very-unlikely-gop-hero/570655/


https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-carter-page-trump-russia-moscow-trip-2017-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/car...l-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11


But to boil it down, your main argument is what, because Page was not indicted he therefore should not have been investigated, and because he was not indicted, the investigation into him was improper?<JagsKiddingMe>


And you are still avoiding my question about the deep state’s battle plan. Smatter, you scared? Break that down for me, what were they doing not leaking before the election this nefarious investigation they cooked up to torpedo Trump? You wanna cut heads with me Bob, you need to answer that lick:

th




Steve Via? First off, Steve can’t play jazz, he can’t play classical, he’s a good rock guitar player, great even, but that is really not the top of the mountain.

It’s a good comparison, because you’re Steve, this is me




Yamashita, the greatest guitar player in history. I’ve played some of the hardest repertoire in the catalog, and let me tell you, what he’s doing here is impossible. There is nobody who even approaches his technical wizardry.


I’ll respond to your post in a second, just thought I should expand your horizons a bit.
 



Yamashita, the greatest guitar player in history. I’ve played some of the hardest repertoire in the catalog, and let me tell you, what he’s doing here is impossible. There is nobody who even approaches his technical wizardry.


I’ll respond to your post in a second, just thought I should expand your horizons a bit.

He's got some accompaniment. For the most part he's not Victor Wootening that thing and playing the lead and bass parts simultaneously.
 
I think we need to talk about your drinking, it's becoming a problem.


I mean are you even reading my posts before you respond, if you want to debate with someone you should debate the things that person says.


To recap, I never said Crossfire Hurricane started because of Page (though he was someone the FBI had been concerned about going back to 2013), and I never said that Halper was dispatched to interview Page because of George P’s drunk talk with the Aussie.


And you keep saying that Page “assisted” the FBI, when in fact he is somebody they interviewed out of concern. And Yes he wasn’t indicted with the Russians spies in 2015, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a continuing concern, and stop acting like the FBI continuing to investigate him, out of concern that Russia could be trying to manipulate him in his new role as an advisor to Trump in 2016, is somehow unrelated to exactly what the FBI has tapes of the Russians talking about him in 2013.


In terms of Halper reaching out to Page because of the FBI's continuing concerns about Page, even beyond the 2013 Russian intel stuff, Page’s weirdness toward Russia had long been a concern (e.g., Ian Bremmer, the president of the Eurasia Group, a risk-consulting firm where Page had previously worked, said that Page had become a pro-Kremlin “wackadoodle.”


"The account of Page’s abrupt departure from the Eurasia Group suggests that concerns about Page and questions about his links to Russia were known in some professional circles for nearly two decades, and long before Page joined Trump’s successful presidential campaign."


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pro-kremlin-views-1998-consulting-russia-ties


But back to 2016, it has been long reported that JD Gordon, the director of the Trump campaign's National Security Advisory Committee, had concerns about Page, first he thought it was weird that Page (who sent an email to Gordon about this in May), was suggesting that Trump visit Russia "to raise the temperature a little bit”, and then in a June meeting of Washington foreign policy experts with the Indian Prime Minister, Page weirded people out by praising Putin as stronger and more reliable than Obama.


And then Gordon also tried his damnedest to stop Page from the "really dumb idea" of Page going to Moscow for a speaking engagement at the prestigious New Economic School with ties to the Kremlin, where Arkady Dvorkovich, Russia's deputy prime minister, was chairman of the board. Weird place for someone who Russia intel thought was an “idiot” to speak and meet with “mostly scholars”, no?


So Page went around Gordon to Lewandowski, and Corey said okay, but that Page couldn’t go as a representative of the campaign, but that he had to go in his private capacity. It was this trip to Moscow that caught the attention of the FBI. And add to that what Gordon had said about Page’s grandiose ideas of his role in Trump's campaign, that "he wanted to be US Ambassador to Moscow," someone whose “enthusiasm works” for Russian intel and who is an “idiot” who “wants to earn a lot of money.”


So as I said earlier, on July 7, 2016, Page traveled to Moscow and delivered a lecture at the New Economic School where he criticized “Washington and other Western capitals” in a speech that Russia loved and Alexander Dugin, a Kremlin connected political scientist who had urged Russia to “kill, kill, kill” Ukranians, heavily promoted Page’s lecture. He also met with Dvorkovich and sent the Trump campaign a memo noting “Dvorkovich expressed a strong support for Mr. Trump”. He also emailed Gordon that he had gained "incredible insights and outreach ... from a few Russian legislators and senior members of the presidential administration here."


Everything I am saying is generally known information, I am referencing Michael Isikoff’s book Russian Roulette, pages 158-161, but you can find this stuff elsewhere, you want sources Bob, here ya go!

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/03/carter-page-nunes-memo-216934

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/carter-page-is-a-very-unlikely-gop-hero/570655/


https://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-carter-page-trump-russia-moscow-trip-2017-11

https://www.businessinsider.com/car...l-testimony-transcript-steele-dossier-2017-11


But to boil it down, your main argument is what, because Page was not indicted he therefore should not have been investigated, and because he was not indicted, the investigation into him was improper?<JagsKiddingMe>


And you are still avoiding my question about the deep state’s battle plan. Smatter, you scared? Break that down for me, what were they doing not leaking before the election this nefarious investigation they cooked up to torpedo Trump? You wanna cut heads with me Bob, you need to answer that lick:

th




First of, this is a thread about spying on the trump campaign. Operation Crossfire Hurricane, the official investigation into the trump campaigns ties to Russia, was supposedly started, as I sourced, because of Downers conversation with GP. It is undeniable that this is false, as Halper was dispatched prior to that.


You can theorize all you like, but that is your theory, not the governments official position.


Until the government can prove a reason that justifies planting a spy in the campaign, contacting multiple members of the trump campaign (including Sam Clovis who I’d like to see you spin halpers interaction with) ,abuses of FISA warrants, etc...

Then the investigations into the question is absolutely warranted. And considering the governments official position is FALSE, Halper should be considered a spy. Especially considering his history of spying on presidential campaigns. And ESPECIALLY since he’s been questioned by the IG 3 times already.



I have no interest in your conspiracy theories about GP’s wife, or any other unsourced nonsense you’ve provided.

You can either address the fact that the official government position for the opening of crossfire hurricane is a lie, or fuck off.

<DisgustingHHH>



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He's got some accompaniment. For the most part he's not Victor Wootening that thing and playing the lead and bass parts simultaneously.


???


There is no accompaniment, that is him alone playing the entire orchestral work, pictures at an exhibition, on a single guitar.

This is a fairly legendary performance. It is at the Toronto guitar festival. In attendance are the best classical guitar players in the world. Families going back generations. They said halftime was like a funeral. Every guitar player in attendance just had every tradition, every pedagogical concept, their entire world of what they thought was guitar playing turned on it’s head by a kid who wasn’t even 25.

Yamashita literally invented techniques unheard of before to perform this piece.

You are incorrect about the Wooten comments him not playing bass and melody at the same time. At one point he play A FUCKING TREMELO WITH HIS PINKY ( FTR, this is usually done with 3 fingers) simultaneously he plays a tremolo with his index finger, the middle voices with middle and ring, and the baseline with his thumb. 1:20 - 2:00

Like I said, impossible.
 
???


There is no accompaniment, that is him alone playing the entire orchestral work, pictures at an exhibition, on a single guitar.

This is a fairly legendary performance. It is at the Toronto guitar festival. In attendance are the best classical guitar players in the world. Families going back generations. They said halftime was like a funeral. Every guitar player in attendance just had every tradition, every pedagogical concept, their entire world of what they thought was guitar playing turned on it’s head by a kid who wasn’t even 25.

Yamashita literally invented techniques unheard of before to perform this piece.

You are incorrect about the Wooten comments him not playing bass and melody at the same time. At one point he play A FUCKING TREMELO WITH HIS PINKY ( FTR, this is usually done with 3 fingers) simultaneously he plays a tremolo with his index finger, the middle chord voices with middle and ring, and the baseline with his thumb.

Like I said, impossible.
Hm, I was referring in particular to the part around 1:32--1:42, where I can see that his index and middle and ring fingers of his right hand are not moving while I hear rapid strumming. Are you saying he's strumming the chords in that part with only his right pinky? Looking at his right hand during that sequence it seems he's not and that's why I thought for sure there was accompaniment. I don't suppose he has a loop pedal going.

Edit: oof, okay, I can see it now. Grainy ass video but I think he's alternating index and pinky to get a rapid strum while the thumb handles the bass notes. Insane and thanks for sharing.
 
Bob vs Cake is like watching Gall vs Punk all over again
 
Hm, I was referring in particular to the part around 1:32--1:42, where I can see that his index and middle and ring fingers of his right hand are not moving while I hear rapid strumming. Are you saying he's strumming the chords in that part with only his right pinky? Looking at his right hand during that sequence it seems he's not and that's why I thought for sure there was accompaniment. I don't suppose he has a loop pedal going.

Edit: oof, okay, I can see it now. Grainy ass video but I think he's alternating index and pinky to get a rapid strum while the thumb handles the bass notes. Insane and thanks for sharing.




Check it out, a tremolo is traditionally played alternating a bass note, with a melody note,

Thumbs = P
Index = I
Middle = m
Ring = a


So the thumb plays a bass note, while ima play the melody note (the tremolo effect is to give a singing type sound to the melody note through rapid repetition),

These are in 16th notes (groups of 4)

So it normally goes,
Pima pima etc...


Yamashita is like, I’ll just do that all with my pinky, then I’ll do another simultaneously with my index, and let’s not forget the bass line with my thumb, and I’ll do the rest with these leftover fingers here.


<{danawhoah}>
 
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