It's also mind-blowing to me that the guy is claiming that immigrants are causing wages to fall, and that is a deliberate scheme by unnamed entities to engineer that result, and it doesn't even occur to him to check if wages are falling. Just incredibly alien to my understanding of best practices from the standpoint of reason and ethics.
Based on what exactly? A cursory google search shows the average income there is 46.5k or $22 an hour
It's also completely ignoring the cost of living in Springfield Ohio. 12.5 an hour is a good living wage for that area. Not tenament housing levels at all
Yet the average income is 46.5k or $22 like I just said. Perusing the link I provided shows job listings as well. Most in that field are far above $12.50. It's low pay for the industry and low pay for the area.
I posted a link to the data earlier. And your claim has nothing to do with anything. If it is higher than it was before the increase, that means it has risen. Do you understand?
You said that they're causing wages to fall, and that whoever you think is secretly behind their decision to move there wanted wages to fall. In fact, wages are rising. That doesn't bother you at all? That your whole theory--one being used to justify harassment and death threats against children--is factually wrong?
Wages in the town are rising, as any economist would have predicted. How do you explain that?
Right and warehousing/manufacturing isn't a minimum wage job or anything close to it. Again this is what I do for a living. Just look at base pay for other warehouses and manufacturers in the area. Why even bring up the minimum wage when discussing an industry where nobody is making that?
Are the wages of the people being paid far below industry standard rising? If not I'm not sure what the point is.
The point is that Haitian immigrants aren't causing wages to fall because wages are rising. How are you not able to understand that?
It's amazing watching people believe the lies and biases when facts are directly in their face. Amazing
Do we know what job that migrant had in particular? Here's the relevant excerpt from the piece:
It does seem low given the company he works at but for all we know the difference between what the migrant was paid and the average is what goes to the staffing agency.
the point is you are lying to maintain a false narrative.
No because what I said is bringing these workers in will lower wages for others in that field. So far a cursory look shows (unless the info we're getting is wrong) they're paying these people far below industry standard. And all I here in response is quoted figures about the minimum wage, even though warehouse/manufacturing jobs DO NOT pay minimum wage. It's asinine. If I mentioned engineers in Nebraska were underpaid would you link me the starting pay for cab drivers in Iowa or is that nonsensical?
I don't know I only have the limited info to go on. And that's yet another reason bringing in people not familiar with the culture is setting them up to fail. An American born citizen would know a staffing agency taking that high of a cut of your base is so egregious it's ridiculous. Is it illegal? No idea but it's certainly NOT industry standard. We have staffing agencies here too, they are not talking 1/3 or 1/4 of your pay for their fee. What I can tell you based on both my own experience and checking rates in the area? There is NO task in a warehouse/manufacturer where that pay would be appropriate. We have third party cleaners, foodservice vendors, etc. and none of them are making anything anywhere near that low.
What do you understand the word "lower" to mean? If they were standard - X before and now they're at standard - >X, do you still think it lowered wages?
I cited median wages in the town.
Doesn't work like that. What tends to happen is that an influx of lower-skilled workers means that higher-skilled workers tend to get more supervisory positions. Generally, an increase in economic output means that there is more money going around the town, which filters to different people in different ways, and if the new residents are getting a small portion of it, what is the logical implication of that?
If California needed workers of a certain type and then got those workers, that would mean the state is better off. Obviously. It's a little complicated with teachers because the economic value isn't immediately apparent. If your theory were right, the country would just constantly be getting poorer, as our population grows, when it's very obvious that the opposite is true. In fact, for developed countries that already have functioning market economies and aren't in recessions, increasing immigration is the most demonstrably successful policy intervention at the goal of raising wages.
What about everyone outside that field?
MIke are you completely unaware that what you point at above is happening in many States (especially Red States), in Rural towns, where the younger workers are mostly all leaving to get educations and then building a life outside the smaller towns?
