Okey so Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, etc were never the best in the nation because they did not fight everybody who studied the art.
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Okey so Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, etc were never the best in the nation because they did not fight everybody who studied the art.
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Combat sports, it depends, too, to get good place in international events looks far more promising for future.
Concurrence level too is different.
In some small safespace country with low interest in some sport, for example in wrestling, maybe will have 4 or 8 guys in each weight class that are good.
In some other, also small, you might get in their local level tournaments 4 - 6 pairs with kids, that are f.e 20 y.o and with 10 - 11 years of training. Not mention higher, National championship in this small country.
Definitely boxing championship for ammies in some Ireland, U.K, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia is far more tough than in small countries.
Especially if we know what level of popularity for boxing is in U.K for example. There 3 rd place in ammies isn't joke.
Still there are examples when combat athletes from small countries were/ are in world top, confirmed by history.
Concurrence level too is different.
In some small safespace country with low interest in some sport, for example in wrestling, maybe will have 4 or 8 guys in each weight class that are good.
In some other, also small, you might get in their local level tournaments 4 - 6 pairs with kids, that are f.e 20 y.o and with 10 - 11 years of training. Not mention higher, National championship in this small country.
Definitely boxing championship for ammies in some Ireland, U.K, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia is far more tough than in small countries.
Especially if we know what level of popularity for boxing is in U.K for example. There 3 rd place in ammies isn't joke.
Still there are examples when combat athletes from small countries were/ are in world top, confirmed by history.
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i'm not saying they weren't the best, i'm saying for all we know there were people who were better that never chose to compete. there were hundreds, thousands maybe even millions who were potentially better than them at anyone time, but since they never fought those people we'll never know.
Yup, for sponsors and society more lucrative is Judo than JJJ.
Godd TMA style JJJ is more suitable for self defense and providing techniques to select for service purposes than for sport.
Is used to create hybrids too.
Submissions oriented and with striking too, I think is hard to spar too.
If it is looked as atemijutsu art with common sequences ; block/ lock _ counterstrike_takedown_striking_ sub_ striking might be added too. There gnp too isn't strange stuff.
It is lucrative for service cos have plenty of grappling techniques against hands/ arms even in standup phase.
As for sparring, cos grappling is better to do barehands like Judo but no one wish to recieve barehands blows before this, it isn't easy to manage harsh sparrings. Not rarerly divided into 1. K1 type 2. grappling sparring.
Or strikes " pointed " and when grip established striking Isn't allowed.
Varitations in styles sybstyle they also had more than 200.
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My old muay thai instructor is a police officer he said he had 8 smokers and knocked out all his opponents and i believe him because hes got kicks like cro cop and one punch strikes like canelo except more powerful. If anybody in new jersey got potential to even be top contender, or champ its him
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is this dude retarded for real?
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Sports are big money. The mob has had a bunch of good fighters wrapped up back in the day. Organized crime has evolved since then, but anyone who gets serious into combat sports has to question some of the convenient circumstances for famous athletes. Even the owners of the organizations recognize how everyone wins when someone becomes a big name, or if a rivalry brews. For basketball you can find cases of professional players complaining about Jordan getting special treatment by refs and even told not to defend him as aggressively IIRC. Now Jordan is a special case in that he was obviously extremely good, like Ali. But, then look at the Frazier vs Ali fights where the ref conveniently allows Ali to tie up Frazier throughout the fight. Same with foreman vs Frazier with foreman pushing Frazier all the time, which is illegal in boxing and you'll see lower level fights where refs will give warnings for that. Or mike tyson will dip below his opponents belt which is also illegal. I'm not saying this means fights are fixed, or that certain fighters/players are given passes by the refs, but convenient situations like this should make you wonder. Claims have been made McGregor has ties to Ireland organized crime, khabib has had similar allegations. Cant say any of it is true for certain, but you can definitely see how an upcoming fighter with a lot of talent may not want do deal with it all, or will take a loss because they're not as marketable as the current champ. Look at Thailand, most fighter find it hard to get booked fights if theyre too good because its bad for gambling if everyone knows who'll win. At the end of the day everybody's got to eat.
Imo this is why lower level trainers coaches and fighters should be given more respect. They know all of this but do it anyway cuz they're passionate about it.
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More comfortable than Liston
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More comfortable than Liston
True. I don't know much about Liston, but reading up on him, now... his and Ali's fights would have been better examples of inauthentic fights.
Holy @#$% Liston was a beast. How did I miss him?
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There's one example for one Art.
European Judo Open Tallinn 2019
There's one example for one Art.
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If theres anything european countries like russia and the soviet countries are good at, its judo. I would honeslty be so scaree going 5 mins non stop being judo threw, tripped, and flipped. And i have been with a 13 year old kid in an adult bjj class that was a pure judo and bjj savage, that he even made the adults who were in there 20's and almost out of high school quit because he mauls them in there lmao.
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I disagree I mean its like what 15k that only a few top US judokas get even in France ots not much only if you medal.
Now your prevented from open sponsorship at international judo events. Not allowed to compete in other martial arts as well.
My friend medaled in BJJ worlds and gets paid to compete in Abu Dhabi plus he charges $60 a private and hes sponsored by Tatami. All in hes $300 in training fees and makes $700 $800 a month minus the $300 thats like $300 $400. Thats not including when he medals hes won a few K
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That is low, that is not even worth it. The average person thats not into any martial arts competition can make more than that delivering pizza, working at a gas station or even just working at mcdonalds which even makes that month average salary even less worth it.
Looks not good.
I mean't not BJJ or Judo but JJJ and hybrids. Mainly if taught for self defense or service purposes ( usually as part of hybrid ).
Now is hard time: they aren't Soviet Union, so there all these grapplers, wrestlers, judokas comes from many countries. This increases concurrence from these FSU countries.
Plus if even Turkey etc comes in….
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Thats not including his wins he came back from Abu Dabi a month later he got a Audi RS6 in 2018. That was the previous years model but how much is that?
He wont say how much he earns because he doesn't want people knowing but I dunno. Its probably not bad.
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a ton of guys come and go from the sport, some, if they stuck around, might have been greats. Just the way the sport is, most people come and go and dont stick around long, just fighting and sticking around will put you on the map if your decent. I think a lot of people may not have the opportunities that others may have had to become greats, amatuers to low level pros, you need to spend all your time training, which leaves no time for work, so somebody needs to be paying the bills, or you need to be housed and fed like in thai camps to pursue it 100%. Mike Tyson could be a great example, if Cus didnt take him in, he never would have become the best.
This.
BTW, relatively high Investments are required from teenage years.
For ammies too, not rarerly best teen ammies in local clubs are these, that have Access to a bit special attention and aren't forced to pay full expenses. Yes, of course they work hard too.
Few examples how it might be IRL.
Dad is former competitive athlete in full contact combat sports, now he is sensei that in fact is also manager for this club.
He of course " charge " his sons for training in this club…. irony. Of course, they get a lot of proper drills and sparrings.
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Plenty of champions who had fathers who were also fighters De La Hoya, Mayweather, Morales, the Gracie’s etc.
