Spacetime

Depends what kind of sport and what country. :)
For example European Championships ; this usually means almost all former Soviet Union, EU/EEZ and Turkey too.
Pool usually is from countries with ~ 823 million inhabiitants.
U.S population is ~ 308 million ( last census ), ~ 323 million ( estimate ).
There's some small for count of inhabitants coutries in some sports for long term were able to be in top 16 in whole European continent.
For some sports there are true powerhouses at world level where their teams maintain to be in top 8, top 12 in world. Get any rank medals and so on is pretty esay there, I think. If they are able to compete with U.S , Russia and Canada at world level. Even get medals and cups.

Some sports in U.S are true powehouse and for them U.S looks like true diamond for many decades.
One example is basketball and NBA. Real powerhouses are even lower level divisions, not only NBA. World's level powerhouses in true top.
 
SandisLL said:
Depends what kind of sport and what country. :)
For example European Championships ; this usually means almost all former Soviet Union, EU/EEZ and Turkey too.
Pool usually is from countries with ~ 823 million inhabiitants.
U.S population is ~ 308 million ( last census ), ~ 323 million ( estimate ).
There's some small for count of inhabitants coutries in some sports for long term were able to be in top 16 in whole European continent.
For some sports there are true powerhouses at world level where their teams maintain to be in top 8, top 12 in world. Get any rank medals and so on is pretty esay there, I think. If they are able to compete with U.S , Russia and Canada at world level. Even get medals and cups.

Some sports in U.S are true powehouse and for them U.S looks like true diamond for many decades.
One example is basketball and NBA. Real powerhouses are even lower level divisions, not only NBA. World's level powerhouses in true top.
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sounds like you're talking about a continental championship rather than national championships now.
 
JohnPJones said:
it's not really nationals if people from all over the continent are able to compete.
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I forgot wether you guys were talking about kickboxing or not. But nationals and continentals are open to everybody i believe.
 
ironkhan57 said:
I forgot wether you guys were talking about kickboxing or not. But nationals and continentals are open to everybody i believe.
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then it's not really national. i was just talking in general.

if a national competition is open to everyone then there's no difference between a national and a continental championship
 
JohnPJones said:
it's not really nationals if people from all over the continent are able to compete.
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Real nationals?
Okey, for example, Savate championships in France.
France for Savate is like Thailand for Muay Thai.
Definitely to get even 3 rd place in ammies is easy?
Nations and their levels.
For example, to be in one place from first 4 in Biathlon at national level ....in Norway, Sweden, Finland is damn hard task. If one is " just " 4 th, this means damn a lot of stuff.
That's almost like to be in national ice hockey team in Sweden or Finland.

Combat sports?
If ammy champ in one country is 16 th - 32 th in world, this too means what level they have in their nationals.
And so on.
 
JohnPJones said:
if a national competition is open to everyone then there's no difference between a national and a continental championship
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Usually they are like open cups etc tournaments.

There's a lot of difference!
Ranking matters a lot also in ammies. Damn a lot matters.

Continental championships are with high index for rankings.
World championship of course with higher index than continental.

Regional ( if this means not one but couple of countries ) with lesser index than continental.
Still higher than national championship in one country.

Also there are " cups " in different levels with different indexes.
 
JohnPJones said:
then it's not really national. i was just talking in general.

if a national competition is open to everyone then there's no difference between a national and a continental championship
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That might as well be a world tournament than too. Idk why they call it nationals either but here in the us im pretty sure you'll see a few people coming from britain and asia fighting in them.
 
ironkhan57 said:
That might as well be a world tournament than too. Idk why they call it nationals either but here in the us im pretty sure you'll see a few people coming from britain and asia fighting in them.
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i've never attended or looked at the rules for national level tournaments, but i know i cornhusker state games, and the iowa summer games require you to be a resident of the state to participate. so i guess if a national tournament/competition had a requirement as simple as US residency, simply renting an apartment to have a valid address (or straight up lying) could get you registered.
 
JohnPJones said:
i've never attended or looked at the rules for national level tournaments, but i know i cornhusker state games, and the iowa summer games require you to be a resident of the state to participate. so i guess if a national tournament/competition had a requirement as simple as US residency, simply renting an apartment to have a valid address (or straight up lying) could get you registered.
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Thats possible darren till and his trainers lied to get him in pro kickboxing lol. I dont know how they got away with it but he probably was a good prospect back then.
 
Pro KB or boxing isn't like to be in ice hockey team to represent U.S or other top country.
Not rarerly even these that agree step in for 1 k are welcomed to improve ...x....fight records.
Big differece that some step in for 300 bucks, some for >1 000 000.

In europe to get pro licence requires verified experience in full contact bouts and pass health examinations ( for ammies paprework from doctors also is required ) level isn't that strictly set.
If one is not known, he is cheap.
There's more than half of success depends from promoter/ managers and PR people too.

Weak and cheap guys too are in demand. If they lost to possible prospect, this is beautful tool to increase fight record without too hard work in ring.
 
National in a European country is the real deal. National in the US could mean 20 different things, of which one of those is the real deal and not B or C-level.
 
Any tournament in the U.S. which allows for fighters of any State to enter is, by definition, a National tournament. One of my guys fought the #1 165lb'er in the Country at the HORN tournament in Houston. Any competition where you face that is the real deal. It just doesn't guarantee you can represent the U.S. in the Olympics.
 
A national champion in the US is not by any means the best fighter in the US. That's what I meant by the real deal. The national champion of a Scandinavian country is however is the best fighter in the sports division, or at worst top 3.

Not that it indicates much about them specifically. It at the very least tells you about their skill level in relation to the other fighters in that country of that division.
 
Yeah, everyone knows what you meant. But that has to do with sheer size and population, not skill disparity.
 
spacetime said:
A national champion in the US is not by any means the best fighter in the US. That's what I meant by the real deal. The national champion of a Scandinavian country is however is the best fighter in the sports division, or at worst top 3.

Not that it indicates much about them specifically. It at the very least tells you about their skill level in relation to the other fighters in that country of that division.
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all winning a championship at any level means is that you were either the best in the tournament, or the luckiest, or both. you can't really say that the national champ was in fact the best in nation if he did not fight everyone who studied or practiced that style in the nation.

just a clarification.
 
True but as prestigious comes that anyone can enter to win at National level at any martial art is huge.
 
In the UK becoming ABA (as it was previously known) amateur boxing champion is a huge deal, it’s widely recognised by the UK Olympic association, boxing promoters and boxing journalists alike.

On the flip side there are all kinds of TMA style Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Tae Kwon do etc. national championships that are extremely low level.

Personally I do respect Wtf Tae Kwon do as a sport (it’s not the best thing for self defense) but the national championships I’m talking about are much, much less competitive than that.
 
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