Crime Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

[Rob Battisti]

Arguing that the VP's role to succeed the president makes them the logical choice to succeed the incumbent nominee four months out from the election is "too far gone"? You're really jumping the shark lately.

Saying that the argument that as a candidate Harris dropped out and received no support for PRESIDENT is an indication that people don’t want her as PRESIDENT is absurd shows you’ve lost all semblance of reason.

 

[Scerpi]

Voters vote for the combined Biden-Harris or Trump-Vance ticket so I do think its fair to say they are elected even if most people are casting their ballot for the presidential nominee. And again a core function of the VP is to succeed the POTUS so I don't see what the big issue with Kamala succeeding Biden in the primary presents. Further, I think its telling that most of the hand-wringing over this is coming from the right and not Biden voters like me.

lol... Oh can it

The same voters would have voted for Biden if he had picked Stacey Abrams, Mayor Peter or even Bernie Sanders.

Biden's DEI VP pick made zero impact on who voted for him.

And if Mayor Pete had been his VP and was now the Democrat Candidate, I'd be more concerned.

 

[kflo]

Arguing that the VP's role to succeed the president makes them the logical choice to succeed the incumbent nominee four months out from the election is "too far gone"? You're really jumping the shark lately.

That’s not really a democratic process though.

The democrats didn’t nominate Harris. They nominated Biden (even if he ran unopposed basically).

the VP is selected by the pres, not voted into office. Pence was there to succeed Trump but is unelectable.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Most of which having nothing to do with the incident....

If only we had people whose job it was to moderate those posts. But then you realize three of the worst offenders are mods themselves.

 

[Rob Battisti]

lol... Oh can it

The same voters would have voted for Biden if he had picked Stacey Abrams, Mayor Peter or even Bernie Sanders.

Biden's DEI VP pick made zero impact on who voted for him.

And if Mayor Pete had been his VP and was now the Democrat Candidate, I'd be more concerned.

Exactly. As if there was a single democrat Biden could have picked that would have made @Islam Imamate not vote for him.

 

[Barteh]

If only we had people whose job it was to moderate those posts. But then you realize three of the worst offenders are mods themselves.

I thought we were in the "Biden forced out by the democrat oligarchs" thread or "Kamala for POTUS" thread for a second there.

 

[kflo]

Saying that the argument that as a candidate Harris dropped out and received no support for PRESIDENT is an indication that people don’t want her as PRESIDENT is absurd shows you’ve lost all semblance of reason.

oftentimes, being the vp does increase your electability.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I thought we were in the "Biden forced out by the democrat oligarchs" thread or "Kamala for POTUS" thread for a second there.

They tried bumping this thread off the main page but it didn't work so now they're just trying to derail it instead.

 

[ineverpost]

With more information coming out, I believe this guy went there with the intention of a mass casualty event where he would plant bombs amongst the crowd and then shoot at them after detonation. I believe he discovered at the last minute (probably to even his own surprise) that he would be able to get a shot off at Trump and ditched the original plans as a result (hence the remote bombs in his car). He had internet history of searching multiple politicians, this guy was just looking for a place to cause chaos and gain notoriety. He was not some normal well adjusted guy, his parents called the police after he was missing for a few hours. We don't have details because the lawyer has told them to keep their mouths shut.

 

[nostradumbass]

It is an absurd argument, that's why you ignored the rest of my post where I articulate why its an absurd argument. Nothing wrong with Harris succeeding Biden when we voted for Biden-Harris.

She's the best choice because she is the Vice President who famously succeeds the president when he can't continue. In the context of a campaign handing the reigns to Kamala minimizes chaos and infighting which is why the GOP is so bothered that the party has closed ranks behind Kamala instead of giving into the dysfunction. Additionally she is legally entitled to the Biden-Harris campaign funds in a way that no other candidate would be. She also is Biden's VP so she can run on his record without the baggage of his old age.

This is some serious Stockholm syndrome to convince yourself that bypassing any primary for the voters to select the candidate, and instead just install someone who nobody would have picked is something an awesome move. Why do you suppose they had a presidential debate in June, like 3 months before they are every other time?

No Trump supporter actually cares either way cause they weren't voting for either of them anyway and Harris is probably even less popular and an even worse speaker than demented Joe Biden. It would have been a decent guess that this might be the straw that broke the camel's back to get you guys to finally realize that the party you support flat out undeniably has 0 respect for you or "our democracy", and kind of shockingly, the reaction from all of you instead is "well why should we have the right to pick our candidate instead of donors and party leaders".

No, the VP succeeds the president during the term if he has to leave office during the term, which you aren't getting either. She isn't taking over the presidency for the term, Biden is apparently staying till the end of the term as of now, and she is ONLY taking over as candidate, for which the process is always that the VP can run their own campaign with everybody else to become the next candidate.

Republican party leadership and donors were absolutely against Trump becoming the candidate both in 2015 and even this year, but voters overwhelmingly told them to GTFO with the Jeb Bush or Nikki Haley horse shit, and forced them to get behind the candidate the voters wanted. Your party is the party of institutional power who truly despite the electorate and make you bend to their will rather than them bending to yours.

 

[Barteh]

They tried bumping this thread off the main page but it didn't work so now they're just trying to derail it instead.

Have you seen any more body cam footage? I think one of the police body cam footage confirmed that there was a third shooter.

Also wondering if anybody on here is following the FBI thing now in congress? Not expecting much from there.

 

[Tatra]

Voters vote for the combined Biden-Harris or Trump-Vance ticket so I do think its fair to say they are elected even if most people are casting their ballot for the presidential nominee. And again a core function of the VP is to succeed the POTUS so I don't see what the big issue with Kamala succeeding Biden in the primary presents. Further, I think its telling that most of the hand-wringing over this is coming from the right and not Biden voters like me.

She was NOT elected. There was no primary election. This is NOT democracy. The left is still pissed off what Democrats did to Bernie.

 

[Mr Holmes]

remember when kamala said she believes the metoo allegations against joe?

Harris: ‘I believe’ Biden accusers​

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437107-harris-i-believe-biden-accusers/

It was a debate!!!

 

[Mr Holmes]

If only we had people whose job it was to moderate those posts. But then you realize three of the worst offenders are mods themselves.

I only had to look back a few pages to see what you meant. It was who I expected.

 

[Rational Poster]

She was NOT elected. There was no primary election. This is NOT democracy. The left is still pissed off what Democrats did to Bernie.

No one in America gives a shit what the left thinks about electoral politics.

 

[HereticBD]

This is some serious Stockholm syndrome to convince yourself that bypassing any primary for the voters to select the candidate, and instead just install someone who nobody would have picked is something an awesome move. Why do you suppose they had a presidential debate in June, like 3 months before they are every other time?

No Trump supporter actually cares either way cause they weren't voting for either of them anyway and Harris is probably even less popular and an even worse speaker than demented Joe Biden. It would have been a decent guess that this might be the straw that broke the camel's back to get you guys to finally realize that the party you support flat out undeniably has 0 respect for you or "our democracy", and kind of shockingly, the reaction from all of you instead is "well why should we have the right to pick our candidate instead of donors and party leaders".

No, the VP succeeds the president during the term if he has to leave office during the term, which you aren't getting either. She isn't taking over the presidency for the term, Biden is apparently staying till the end of the term as of now, and she is ONLY taking over as candidate, for which the process is always that the VP can run their own campaign with everybody else to become the next candidate.

Republican party leadership and donors were absolutely against Trump becoming the candidate both in 2015 and even this year, but voters overwhelmingly told them to GTFO with the Jeb Bush or Nikki Haley horse shit, and forced them to get behind the candidate the voters wanted. Your party is the party of institutional power who truly despite the electorate and make you bend to their will rather than them bending to yours.

If you want a real laugh, go read some of his opinions on replacing Biden before he was replaced. Let's just say he was not for it. Guy is a total sheep.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You got smashed so hard you turned into a gimmick account. That's wild.

The sad thing is, it appears to be working to get information across the isle

 

[Islam Imamate]

lol... That would be true for succeeding Biden if had to bow out before his term was up. Biden picked her as VP, not the voters.

And it doesn't mean that she's the one Democrat voters would chose if given the chance. And don't try to claim she would have been. She's terrible

She's had the worse approval numbers of any VP since Dan Quayle... And lord help us if something had happened to Bush Sr and that moron had become president.
Y'all are being forced to jump on the Kamala wagon because the DNC has anointed her as the Democrat candidate.

Guarantee if Biden had bowed out far earlier as he should have and there was an actual primary, she'd get fucking destroyed.

But hey... Keep telling all of us how much you're enjoying the turd sandwich is that the DNC has forced on you.







lol...

A recent poll indicates she has strong support from voters

A majority of Democrats believe the party should nominate Vice President Harris for the presidential ticket as members rapidly coalesce around her after President Biden dropped out of the race, according to a new survey.

A CBS News/YouGov Poll, released Monday, found 79 percent of Democrats support the party nominating Harris to top the 2024 ticket, while 21 percent said someone else should be nominated.

She was NOT elected. There was no primary election. This is NOT democracy. The left is still pissed off what Democrats did to Bernie.

I voted for Bernie twice, 2016 and 2020, and then Biden in 2020 and I'm perfectly okay with this.

Saying that the argument that as a candidate Harris dropped out and received no support for PRESIDENT is an indication that people don’t want her as PRESIDENT is absurd shows you’ve lost all semblance of reason.

They didn't want her in 2020 and neither did I but we're talking about a different race with different circumstances.

Its telling that the majority of folks making this absurd argument are on the right whereas I, an actual Biden voter, is the one who is okay with it. You were never going to vote Democrat either way so why does it matter to you?

lol... Oh can it

The same voters would have voted for Biden if he had picked Stacey Abrams, Mayor Peter or even Bernie Sanders.

Biden's DEI VP pick made zero impact on who voted for him.

And if Mayor Pete had been his VP and was now the Democrat Candidate, I'd be more concerned.

Uh sure, I didn't like Kamala and I still voted for Biden. But I did so knowing she would succeed him if necessary and we've gotten to that point, at least in the presidential race.

That’s not really a democratic process though.

The democrats didn’t nominate Harris. They nominated Biden (even if he ran unopposed basically).

the VP is selected by the pres, not voted into office. Pence was there to succeed Trump but is unelectable.

Biden wasn't nominated yet though, the convention has yet to happen. Going into it now Kamala has all the momentum which reduces chaos and confusion and that is good for the party and its chances to beat Trump.

Exactly. As if there was a single democrat Biden could have picked that would have made @Islam Imamate not vote for him.

I never said otherwise but when I voted for Biden-Harris I accepted that she might succeed him and now that we need someone to succeed n the presidential race I think his VP is the obvious choice. What is weird about that? Obviously I want minimal Democratic infighting and disruption while you want the opposite but try and think about this from the perspective of a Democrat whose priority is beating Trump rather than some Pyrrhic victory where my preferred candidate gets nominated but loses to Trump.

This is some serious Stockholm syndrome to convince yourself that bypassing any primary for the voters to select the candidate, and instead just install someone who nobody would have picked is something an awesome move. Why do you suppose they had a presidential debate in June, like 3 months before they are every other time?

No Trump supporter actually cares either way cause they weren't voting for either of them anyway and Harris is probably even less popular and an even worse speaker than demented Joe Biden. It would have been a decent guess that this might be the straw that broke the camel's back to get you guys to finally realize that the party you support flat out undeniably has 0 respect for you or "our democracy", and kind of shockingly, the reaction from all of you instead is "well why should we have the right to pick our candidate instead of donors and party leaders".

No, the VP succeeds the president during the term if he has to leave office during the term, which you aren't getting either. She isn't taking over the presidency for the term, Biden is apparently staying till the end of the term as of now, and she is ONLY taking over as candidate, for which the process is always that the VP can run their own campaign with everybody else to become the next candidate.

Republican party leadership and donors were absolutely against Trump becoming the candidate both in 2015 and even this year, but voters overwhelmingly told them to GTFO with the Jeb Bush or Nikki Haley horse shit, and forced them to get behind the candidate the voters wanted. Your party is the party of institutional power who truly despite the electorate and make you bend to their will rather than them bending to yours.

Sure she's not succeeding him in the sense that Biden is stepping down but I think if Biden isn't the candidate then the obvious choice is his VP who is part of the Biden-Harris ticket that has been campaigning and receiving funds. Trying to find another nominee four months out would be chaotic and would hurt the party's chances of beating Trump when right now we need the party to close ranks behind one candidate.

 

[Tatra]

I voted for Bernie twice, 2016 and 2020, and then Biden in 2020 and I'm perfectly okay with this.

Okay great. Not relevant. This is not democracy. There was no primary.

 

[Rational Poster]

Okay great. Not relevant. This is not democracy. There was no primary.

There is no campaign primary when there is an incumbent President.

Trump didn't primary in 2020 either. Trump didn't primary this year either, but he still got selected anyway. Weird how no one seems to care about that, lmao.

Voters already selected Harris as VP, which the primary role is to succeed the President.