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Somebody please show me the receipts!

I never said Ngannou knocks him out. Don’t put words in my mouth.
As for DC, not being scared of one fighter doesn’t make Jones immune to fear of another. You’re also erroneously comparing Jones’ career long confidence level at LHW to his confidence level at HW.
Jones ducking Ngannou has nothing to do with whether or not you think Ngannou can beat him, or whether or not he was afraid of DC. I suspect Jones’ greatest fear is of of losing, and it affecting his record, not of what Ngannou will specifically do to him, just the fear of losing. Francis was that fighter and Champion that brings that very real possibility.
Except it's not true

And it's only a fantasy that you've created in your head

While ignoring all the evidence which shows the exact opposite lol


When you admit that Jones was already signed to a new contract and ready to fight on March 4th, long before Ngannou ended up leaving.

Then this entire fantasy world youve constructed goes away.

And you acknowledge that the only fighter who prevented the bout from happening is Ngannou.

Everything else is delusion. And it really does require an elite level of delusion to ignore everything that has been said in this thread and still double down with this narrative.
 
Except it's not true

And it's only a fantasy that you've created in your head

While ignoring all the evidence which shows the exact opposite lol


When you admit that Jones was already signed to a new contract and ready to fight on March 4th, long before Ngannou ended up leaving.

Then this entire fantasy world youve constructed goes away.

And you acknowledge that the only fighter who prevented the bout from happening is Ngannou.

Everything else is delusion. And it really does require an elite level of delusion to ignore everything that has been said in this thread and still double down with this narrative.
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“It’s impossible that Jones ducked Ngannou because he’s not scared of anybody and he would beat him without any doubt.”
You’re too sure of yourself. This is just arrogance and bias, it’s not objective at all.
I was more so highlighting your own thought process. because to arrive at the sort of completely non sensical and delusional conclusions that you have requires a very low understanding of Jones skillset, as well as how he matches up at HW, particularly against Ngannou.

It's not a good style matchup for Frank. Jones is one of the least cleanly hit fighters in the history of the sport. Gane showcased that a fighter who has multiple tools on the feet and who controls the kicking range is a very difficult opponent for someone with a boxing specific attack.

It's very hard to hit someone who can dictate the kicking range and mitigates damage so effectively.

Then you also have to factor in wrestling to take advantage of every overextension and little opening presented.

Frank would have a punchers chance in the first round, which goes down drastically afterwards.

I've said it before, HW is an easier division than LHW for Jones. That's what you havent clued in on yet. Even Ngannou said he thinks Jones will have even more success at HW because there is a massive technical gap between the two divisions.

What you're looking at is a fight where Jones wins 50-45 and likely barely gets touched. Which is pretty much what smith said when analyzing the fight.


Same with DC. In fact, the vast majority of fighters went with Jones.

So this idea of Jones being scared to fight is pretty ridiculous.

But it would require someone who's completely ignorant to the reality of these things to genuinely believe that Jones was scared to fight him.

Getting that out of the way, beyond that, every indication is that Jones had already reached an agreement during the last quarter of 2022. With a date of March 4th, arena booked and all.

Ngannou was offered the fight and turned it down. His own testimony.

So, you're essentially arguing with Ngannou himself. Unless Ngannou is a liar too. May as well just go full retard at this point. You've already come this far.
 
I can't believe people are still saying Jones was ducking Francis for three years. Francis wasn't even champ when Jones stepped away. Jones went to bulk up in 2020, Francis won the title in 2021 and defended it once at the beginning of 2022. The UFC made Francis a big offer to fight Jon, who was ready to fight anyone by the end of the same year. Francis was the one who turned down the fight. How do people not understand this. Jones and the UFC came to an agreement for him to fight for the HW title well before Francis turned down the new contract. Jones wasn't ducking Francis and Francis was unhappy with his deal. How is it this hard to understand?
 
According to the Jon/UFC/Dana ballgaggers when Jon ignores years worth of call-outs by Ngannou because he wants to get paid more than 10 million for that fight, its smart business

butttt....

When Ngannou doesnt want to sign a new contract that will lock him up for the rest of his career to fight Jones for 8 mill, hes somehow ducking and being greedy and "fumbling the bag"
 
I can't believe people are still saying Jones was ducking Francis for three years. Francis wasn't even champ when Jones stepped away. Jones went to bulk up in 2020, Francis won the title in 2021 and defended it once at the beginning of 2022. The UFC made Francis a big offer to fight Jon, who was ready to fight anyone by the end of the same year. Francis was the one who turned down the fight. How do people not understand this. Jones and the UFC came to an agreement for him to fight for the HW title well before Francis turned down the new contract. Jones wasn't ducking Francis and Francis was unhappy with his deal. How is it this hard to understand?

I dont doubt that Jon eventually collected the courage to fight Ngannou and probably negotiated a good sum as well, but he in his own words declined that fight for a 10 mill offer and admitted during an interview that its a scary fight and he needs to be offered bigggg money (so 10 mill+) to take it.

Lets not try to rewrite history as if Jones was that eager to fight Ngannou when we have the internet and can easily look it up
 
I dont doubt that Jon eventually collected the courage to fight Ngannou and probably negotiated a good sum as well, but he in his own words declined that fight for a 10 mill offer and admitted during an interview that its a scary fight and he needs to be offered bigggg money (so 10 mill+) to take it.

Lets not try to rewrite history as if Jones was that eager to fight Ngannou when we have the internet and can easily look it up
He clearly was ready to fight Ngannou. He was ready to fight anyone. They must have come to some kind of agreement. But are we really going to go after a fighter for knowing his worth? Is there anyone who thinks that Jon doesn't deserve 10+ mill? Jon isn't stupid, he knew exactly how big of a fight that would have been and how much he deserved to take it. Also, please don't act like Jon was the only one in during these negotiations that didn't like the money. Also, also, Jon has been fighting scary fighters for over a decade, it's not like this is something new.
 
Yeah because some sherbro is going to have privity of contract with the UFC....

Might be waiting a while for that evidence pal
 
So far it's he said, she said. No one here has definitive evidence either way.
 
knows he's going to lose to Jon Jones who has NEVER fought anyone like Ngannou, but "might as well try his luck in boxing" where he's FOR SURE going to get destroyed? yeah, that makes no sense.
yes he would get destroyed by jones
dude lost to lewis
struggled against gane
notable wins coming from retired fighters like cain and super out of prime jds
 
Are you questioning the Baldfather?!
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Pinky D don't tell lies, y'all. CIA shot him full of truth serum years ago and he never recovered.
 
Dana White simply can't make big fights happen.
Anderson vs GSP, Khabib vs Ferg, Jones vs Ngannou, Wanderlei vs Chuck
I don't think Khabib/Ferguson was his fault. Baby Jesus himself made sure that fight wasn't going to happen.
 
yes he would get destroyed by jones
dude lost to lewis
struggled against gane
notable wins coming from retired fighters like cain and super out of prime jds

and Jon Jones struggled against Dominick Reyes and a guy who had 2 blown out knees. just because Jon Jones took Gane down and submitted him immediately doesn't mean he can do that to Ngannou.

there's still many questions to be answered for HW Jon. can he take the HW power, how does he look in a prolonged fight? does he have the stamina to go 5 rds if that's what it takes? does his strength carry throughout the fight?
 
I don't believe Jones came back as soon as Francis left. They already knew Francis wasn't coming back months before the actual announcement. It's a tactical move by all the players involved. Francis priced himself out but it made sense for him. UFC got fed up with Francis and gave into Jon's demands. Jon is somewhat easier to deal with. His stipulation was just more money than what he was getting for being LHW champion. He doesn't want to make more money than Mcgregor. He doesn't want to box and you don't have to schedule 100 business dinners to get him to come back. He doesn't want fighter's insurance for everyone. It's a simple yes or no issue of is he going to get paid or not.
 
Ducking confirmed. Jones never intended to be a real HW champ and is a lot more realistic than his fans. He knows better than to take on Pav or Francis, no matter the BS that he spews.

lol the way people criticize Francis about being unrealistic regarding contract negotiations. 8-10 million is far too low? So, is it more like 50 million? lol

Gane was an even weaker opponent than critics would suggest. Not only does he not have grappling, but he also has no KO punch (he is a point fighter as a striker), which would be needed to beat a grappler. Pav and Francis on the other hand......
 
I'm sure this has been brought up before, but why does everyone assume Francis is going to immediately get destroyed in boxing? He's not getting anything remotely close to the big fights he wanted. He will get fed some cans at first to raise his stock in that world.
 
I don't believe Jones came back as soon as Francis left. They already knew Francis wasn't coming back months before the actual announcement. It's a tactical move by all the players involved. Francis priced himself out but it made sense for him. UFC got fed up with Francis and gave into Jon's demands. Jon is somewhat easier to deal with. His stipulation was just more money than what he was getting for being LHW champion. He doesn't want to make more money than Mcgregor. He doesn't want to box and you don't have to schedule 100 business dinners to get him to come back. He doesn't want fighter's insurance for everyone. It's a simple yes or no issue of is he going to get paid or not.
They had Jones scheduled to fight on the March 4th card. Arena booked and everything.

I don't think anyone really knew Ngannou wouldn't sign for certain until the very end.

They waited until the last possible moment to announce the Gane fight in January, just to give every possible chance for the Ngannou bout to happen.
 
They had Jones scheduled to fight on the March 4th card. Arena booked and everything.

I don't think anyone really knew Ngannou wouldn't sign for certain until the very end.

They waited until the last possible moment to announce the Gane fight in January, just to give every possible chance for the Ngannou bout to happen.
That is fair. Jones was already training before the announcement. I don’t believe anyone ducked anyone.
 
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