Somebody please show me the receipts!

[AmonTobin]

No offense bro, I see no proof of him not wanting to fight him either.
There might be no 100% proof he wanted to, there is also no proof he wouldn't have done it.

Seems more like you can't stand Jones, which is understandable he is an asshole, but Jones is crazy I fully expect him to be willing to fight anybody for the right prize but again there is no such thing as 100% proof other than leaks and while he did take a bit too long for his step up to HW imo, there is no proof he wasn't gonna fight Ngannou under the right conditions.(Pay)

I do like Jones. This guy is 100% certain that Ngannou ran from Jones. I was just calling him out on his BS. If you read my previous posts you’ll see that I’m a big fan of Jones as a fighter but I’m still capable of being objective and recognizing the possibility that Jones didn’t want that smoke.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

I do like Jones. This guy is 100% certain that Ngannou ran from Jones. If you read my previous posts you’ll see that I’m a big fan of Jones.

Ngannou didn't ran from Jones but I have 0 doubt Jones would have fought Ngannou eventually, I like Ngannou more as an human being and I would not be mad to see him stiff Jones quite the opposite. But his knees were fucked and we know jones was known to fuck up knees, the Punching power remains but other than that I can see Jones doing something similar to what he did to Gane by using a trip or something else to get it to the ground.

 

[doggo]

No such thing, but Jones posted about more money then, its all talk, no one posts actual numbers and actual fight offers signed.

They would only do so if they wanted to complain about how much they getting piad

 

[AmonTobin]

Ngannou didn't ran from Jones but I have 0 doubt Jones would have fought Ngannou eventually, I probably like Ngannou more as an human being and I would not be mad to see him stiff Jones quite the opposite. But his knees were fucked and we know jones was known to fuck up knees, the Punching power remains but other than that I can see Jones doing something similar to what he did to Gane by using a trip or something else to get it to the ground.

Yes I agree there’s a very good chance that Jones beats him. Maybe even easily or quickly. If Jones is smart (which he is), he avoids that fight at all costs for its risk factor alone. The perfect record is arguable more important now than it ever was.

 

[Shilajit]

Hey pussy. You still there?

You’ve got nothing. Empty handed. Denial is a powerful thing.

But you didn't answer anything I said.. lol

Denial.. lol

Projection is a powerful thing too.

Maybe this is a thought experiment and you're actually a troll tho. That would explain things.

 

[StonedLemur]

He moved up way before a decade. The second part of that is true though.

How did he move up before a decade sir?
He said he was moving up in 2013...its 2023.

 

[AmonTobin]

But you didn't answer anything I said.. lol

Denial.. lol

Projection is a powerful thing too.

Maybe this is a thought experiment and you're actually a troll tho. That would explain things.

I answered all your “but why” questions many pages ago. Stop being elusive and admit when you don’t know. You don’t have the answers.

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

So, do you think the UFC offered Jones a contract based on a fight that they couldn't even guarantee?

A multi billion dollar company opening themselves up to a massive shit storm of legal issues?

They're not offering him that contract in writing unless Ngannou was signed.

It's that simple..there is nothing more to argue here.

If you think otherwise, then prove otherwise. Tell me how this makes sense in your mind.

Twist it around and prove yourself correct. You can’t prove much of anything either way tbh

 

[kdday]

There is no proof. ​

Pico hid. Never Stepped Up, for 3 years, ducking every HW contender. Some GOAT.

Bruh, that's like saying ngannou left because he saw Sergei on the come up.

Ngannou will never ever leave the mark on his own division that Jones left on Mma.

 

[mahavishnunj]

How did he move up before a decade sir?
He said he was moving up in 2013...its 2023.

I was talking about those early pics where he looks like a roided WWF wrestler. When he was still LHW.

 

[StonedLemur]

I was talking about those early pics where he looks like a roided WWF wrestler. When he was still LHW.

Yeah I never mentioned those pics sir lol.

 

[Shilajit]

I answered all your “but why” questions many pages ago. Stop being elusive and admit when you don’t know. You don’t have the answers.

Actually you didn't.

There was no intelligent, reasonable response to any point I've made here. You just keep repeating that they aren't evidence but offer no real rebuttal.

In regards to the contract discussion, the other guy referenced some legal documents which would only be true if they were negotiating for a single fight.

Not in the case where the Jones bout is used as a bargaining chip for Ngannou to sign for 3 fights and stay with the organization.

If Jones hadn't already come to an agreement by that point and it was later found out they baited Ngannou into signing his contract under false pretenses, there would be grounds for pursuing legal action to be released from his contract.

Which isn't something the UFC would ever be stupid enough to do.

 

[Shilajit]

I answered all your “but why” questions many pages ago. Stop being elusive and admit when you don’t know. You don’t have the answers.

The contract thing was one point which was never fully answered.

Another is that the UFC released to media outlets that they were looking to book Jones on March 4th. Which is the date he ended up fighting on.

Chael Sonnen also said Jones was back on his podcast and when Dana was asked Jones questions at that time, he said they were looking to get him a fight.

All of this is circumstantial evidence that Jones was signed at that time.

 

[AmonTobin]

Actually you didn't.

There was no intelligent, reasonable response to any point I've made here. You just keep repeating that they aren't evidence but offer no real rebuttal.

In regards to the contract discussion, the other guy referenced some legal documents which would only be true if they were negotiating for a single fight.

Not in the case where the Jones bout is used as a bargaining chip to sign for 3 fights and stay with the organization.

If Jones hadn't already come to an agreement by that point and it was later found out they baited Ngannou into signing his contract under false pretenses, there would be grounds for pursuing legal action to be released from his contract.

Which isn't something the UFC would ever be stupid enough to do.

It’s been pointed out that you’re wrong by a number of people already. I’m not sure what else to tell you.

 

[Shilajit]

I answered all your “but why” questions many pages ago. Stop being elusive and admit when you don’t know. You don’t have the answers.

And the final point was,

If Ngannou was In the middle of negotiations, imagine if the UFC started promoting him, Chael said he was back, a date was released for his return.

When he wasn't even actually signed yet.

Would that make any sense or seem like something the UFC would do?


None of these you offered any sort of intelligent rebuttal to.

 

[mahavishnunj]

Yeah I never mentioned those pics sir lol.

I know, I wasn't clear as usual. To me he moved up to HW when he posted those pics looking like the Ultimate Warrior.

 

[Bad Karate]

Francis was asking for Conor money and vacated his title rather then fight Jon.

The evidence is the fact Francis got a super lucrative deal with PFL that will most likely bankrupt the organization

 

[Shilajit]

It’s been pointed out that you’re wrong by a number of people already. I’m not sure what else to tell you.

I just posted some of the main points that I've made.

This thread is made with the purpose of asking for proof, but yet you're ignoring whats been said and failing to offer any sort of intelligent rebuttal.

You say it's been proven that I'm wrong, can you give me an example?

 

[StonedLemur]

I know, I wasn't clear as usual. To me he moved up to HW when he posted those pics looking like the Ultimate Warrior.

Lol i still love you despite your flaws sir.

I was talking about the article from 2013 though, and those pics only prove that he wasn't "bulking up" for 3 years only to have a dad bod lol.

 

[StonedLemur]

Francis was asking for Conor money and vacated his title rather then fight Jon.

The evidence is the fact Francis got a super lucrative deal with PFL that will most likely bankrupt the organization

Jones asked for 30 million as well sir.