Somebody please show me the receipts!

We all have the information.

Ngannou was offered a contract in writing that stated he would fight Jones for 8 million.

It's not legal to offer something like that in a binding contract unless Jones had already come to an agreement.

Massive corporate entities don't mess around with contracts, they wouldn't put something in writing over word of mouth.
So they made John an offer first without having Frank signed, according to you they don’t do that. They can have anyone sign anything with a contingency that the other party and them come to an agreement. If the other agreement doesn’t happen then the contract with the contingency is null and void. It happens every day in business.
 
I think Jones knows Francis is a problem. He is selecting very carefully his opponents, he's not risking his legacy. In other words, Jones is still the GOAT but he is talking shit.
 
Lol i still love you despite your flaws sir.

I was talking about the article from 2013 though, and those pics only prove that he wasn't "bulking up" for 3 years only to have a dad bod lol.
Oh I'm totally with you. I'm just saying those pics of him looking like he was inflated with an air hose were before the whatever "3 years bulking up" period. I think we are saying the same thing, but I am too moronic to articulate it correctly.
 
Oh I'm totally with you. I'm just saying those pics of him looking like he was inflated with an air hose were before the whatever "3 years bulking up" period. I think we are saying the same thing, but I am too moronic to articulate it correctly.

Lmao...no you're good sir.
Those pics were between fights which is funny, but we are saying similar things but you took a right and took a left on the roundabout ;)
 
So they made John an offer first without having Frank signed, according to you they don’t do that. They can have anyone sign anything with a contingency that the other party and them come to an agreement. If the other agreement doesn’t happen then the contract with the contingency is null and void. It happens every day in business.
I agree, ive adjusted my stance a bit.

This is also what I said in one of my later posts.

Ngannou's entire contract was based off the power of that one fight. Hypothetically If Jones wasn't actually signed by that point and then for whatever reason decided to retire, it would effectively make Ngannou's contract null and void.

Presumably it's something he would need to pursue legally in order to be released from though.

It's just hard to imagine an organization of this magnitude allowing such an oversight to happen.

If they offer you a fight, it's because they're well within their capacity to do so.

But ultimately it's a bit of a moot point anyways, because other circumstantial evidence shows that Jones was already signed long before Ngannou finally left.
 
Lmao...no you're good sir.
Those pics were between fights which is funny, but we are saying similar things but you took a right and took a left on the roundabout ;)
I started new medication today. I can't always be a drunken meat fist level of eloquence.
 
You'll find like 50% of the MMA fanbase will agree with you here. Mostly the casuals who don't actually understand the sport though.

Less so the intelligent MMA fan.

Ask a room full of high level fighters if they think Jones was scared and dodged Ngannou because he's a pussy as you've suggested. They'd laugh at you. And would also overwhelmingly pick Jones to beat him.

It requires a massive leap of faith combined with a huge dose of bias or hate to believe what you do with such conviction.

But, some of us are rational, common sense and are not ruled by our emotionality or dislike for another man to the point where it blinds judgement.
 
You'll find like 50% of the MMA fanbase will agree with you here. Mostly the casuals though.

Less so the intelligent MMA fans.

It requires a massive leap of faith combined with a huge dose of bias or hate to believe what you do with such conviction.

But, some of us are rational, common sense and are not ruled by our emotionality or dislike for another man to the point where it blinds judgement.
You’ve made all kinds of assumptions and now you’re assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or casual.
 
I think Jones was kind of going through the motions during some of his fights.

Much like we seen against OSP. When they did the round table thing pre gane, Smith, Rashad and DC basically said they didn't feel Jones was as motivated during the end of his LHW tenure.

There's all this talk about fear, but it's actually that fear and butterflies which allows you to perform at your absolute best as an athlete. Something we see in many sports.

Someone like Jones needs to have that in the back of his head, especially when he's been doing this for so long. You need an obstacle to overcome, a challenge or test.

It's the same healthy fear and butterflies that GSP admitted he has for all of his fights. He admitted he can never sleep before his fights, but before he fought Serra, be slept like a baby.

You could argue that peak DC would beat any HW that has ever lived. I think a lot of those questions were answered against him.

The Jones who fought him was not the same one we seen during the end of his LHW career.

After watching DC 2 several times, I'm convinced that DC was his hardest matchup and that nobody presents the same difficulty that DC did, whether it's at LHW or HW. I just don't see it.

Comparatively speaking, he's a very bad style opponent for a lot of these guys. Including Francis. We seen Gane nullify Franks boxing, forcing him to wrestle.

Jones controls the kicking distance and uses it to mitigate damage better than any MMA fighter that has ever lived.

Historically speaking, we've seen how difficult it is for an opponent with a boxing dominant attack to get inside that range and actually hit him cleanly.

And this isn't even factoring in the wrestling. I think you'd see a much more tentative Francis on the feet, knowing that one small mistake and overextension would end up with him on his back.


This can be a hard concept to grasp, but I've always said Jones tougher matchups are in lighter weight classes currently. More well rounded, younger, better recorded, better takedown defense and scrambling ability. More diverse style on the feet. The heavyweights have far more holes, on top of being slower, older, etc.

Gane didn't nullify Francis' boxing. Francis' bum knee did that.

all this other stuff you're talking about it doesn't mean anything. ALL of that was done in LHW. you keep using MMAth to provide answers but we all know that does not work. Joe Frazier was an extremely hard fight for Ali, but he couldn't do shit to George Foreman, then Ali beat Foreman. i'm sure nobody "could see" Ali beating Foreman much less knocking him out but it happened. the fact that you can't even visualize a fight where Ngannou lands a bomb and Jon folds is mind boggling. especially when the arguments you make don't even make sense. what DC did in his career IS FOR DC. it doesn't mean because DC did it automatically Jon can do it because he beat him.

as far as Francis being tentative, why would he? he wasn't tentative vs Stipe in the 2nd fight and he KNEW Stipe could take him down because Stipe had done it before. Jon can control the kicking distance AT LHW because he's got a massive length advantage. historically speaking Jon has NEVER fought a guy who has an 83in. reach before either. he couldn't control the kicking distance vs Gustafsson, and SURPRISE Gustafsson is one of the largest fighters Jon's ever faced. funny how that works huh? it's almost like being big MATTERS vs Jon.

Jon's hardest match ups are in the lower weight classes??? you mean vs SMALLER dudes he can exploit even MORE with his length and strength advantages? yeah i don't think so.
 
You’ve made all kinds of assumptions and now you’re assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid or casual.
"Assumptions"

You mean every piece of circumstantial evidence as it pertains to the topic?

Everything you've said has been an assumption. Your whole belief is that Jones is a pussy and coward who dodged Ngannou because he's scared and went with the easier fight.

To the point where you even admitted maybe Jones was signed, but maybe only under the condition that the title was vacant.

Almost everything you've said is an assumption with no real basis in reality other than your belief.

I've actually backed up what I've said with everything that's available.
 
"Assumptions"

You mean every piece of circumstantial evidence as it pertains to the topic?

Everything you've said has been an assumption. Your whole belief is that Jones is a pussy and coward who dodged Ngannou because he's scared and went with the easier fight.

To the point where you even admitted maybe Jones was signed, but maybe only under the condition that the title was vacant.

Almost everything you've said is an assumption with no real basis in reality other than your belief.

I've actually backed up what I've said with everything that's available.
Oh here he is back from his bathroom break.
 
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