So what happened with the Wall?

[oldshadow]

I think the argument is pretty simple. Yours simply rests on "durr it's illegal so it's bahd"

Can't say I'm surprised. Fascinating look inside the mind of a dimwit. It's no wonder why you harbor the views you do.

No country can survive unless it controls it's borders.

So you have immigration laws which both individuals and business must obey for the stability of the country.

But keep on trolling.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Um what?

You object to the Constitutional apportionment process, yes? Does the specific area of your disagreement have any real-world impact, though? That was the question being asked (the answer, which you refused to give because you're just blindly repeating a talking point that you don't actually understand, is no, not really).

 

[MMAViewer]

Ok, but the question is what do you now do with the out of work illegal population.
The excuse that they will just leave cause of no work is poor.
Better to be homeless and jobless in America

Stop allowing employers to pay them, thstg will significantly lower illegal immigration. Deport illegal immigrants as humanely as possible and make the path to legal citizenship reasonable. There is nothing wrong with immigrants if they are lawful.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You object to the Constitutional apportionment process, yes? Does the specific area of your disagreement have any real-world impact, though? That was the question being asked (the answer, which you refused to give because you're just blindly repeating a talking point that you don't actually understand, is no, not really).

Do you know who you're talking to? He has zero interest in having a meaningful discussion of any sort.

 

[mb23100]

Mexico's check bounced

 

[Cold Front]

Foreign policy has domestic opposition and foreign opposition, and the later can be a more intractable foe than domestic foes.

I'm stating a simple fact when I say that traditionally (as opposed to, say, Constitutionally) an American president is allowed far greater leeway in foreign policy than he is in domestic policy. He can begin mini-wars pretty much at his own whim, bomb another country, etc., without consulting Congress.

This has been true ever since WW2 and the beginning of the Cold War put the U.S. on a permanent wartime standing.

How hard is it for Trump to issue an executive order?

Not hard at all. But if it requires spending money and it doesn't involve what is traditionally considered to be national defense, the US Congress has a say in it. And building a wall requires budget outlays which means it requires Congressional approval.

Trump could probably militarize the border and call it a national security priority, which is what I wish he would do. The courts might even side with him (although I doubt it). But so far he's avoided that dramatic escalation.

 

[kpt018]

A banned poster once told a story about a factory in his hometown closing down and moving to Mexico. He held resentment towards Mexicans because of it, but said he did not blame the white ownership for trying to make more money.

Right! That sort of thing is very common among the people that strongly oppose immigration.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

He passed away in 2003

RIP

I saw him live wrestle Bam Bam Bigalow.

RIP to the both of them.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

I think you mean Israel put up a wall around the people whose land they are occupying and committing human rights violations against.

Trump's wall will never be built. Sorry you got burned on that campaign promise though.

Doesn't matter.

Trump passed much needed tax reform. Reforms that will help safeguard my ability to pass down a usable farm to my children and grandchildren.

President Trump has my vote in 2020.

 

[evansusmc2]

you heard wrong

So the Great Wall of China was never used? Never successful? etc etc?? Please educate me.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

No one would disagree with targeting employers.

I would disagree.

It's not an employer's fault the federal government failed to fulfill its duty and secure the border.

Many illegal immigrants seeking employment have artfully forged documentation. Since most employers lack the skills of James Bond, many will be unable to discern artful forgery from legitimate documentation.

I see the notion of "targeting employers" as a last ditch effort to shift the blame for this problem away from the Government.

If certain individuals have no legal right to be within our borders, it's the responsibility of the federal government to enforce it.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Trump and his party control all branches. They could get through a bill saying we have to wear under pants on our head if they really wanted to. Let alone something for what he campaigned on.

The reality is that anyone who isn't a lowest common denominator mouth breathing moron knows it's a stupid waste of money. Hence why the GOP hasn't and won't seriously pursue it.

By that terrible logic, why didn't Obama push through Universal Healthcare when his party controlled both chambers and the White House?

Before you reply, remember, this is the logical standard you put forward.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

They directly effect representstion in border states. Keep pretending they need to cast a ballot to do so.

Many people don't know that illegal immigrants have an undue influence on our elections regardless if they vote or not.

Electoral votes are awarded based upon population counts done by the Census bureau.

The Census bureau includes illegal immigrants in their population counts.

Therefore, illegal immigration has an influence on our elections regardless of levels of participation.

 

[N13]

We don't need no stinkin' wall.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Source? Because a direct effect is something you can show and prove.
You are wrong, the idea that illegal immigrants are who representatives get their marching orders from is ignorant.

Read my above post. It will address any of your concerns.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Why would a theoretically added representative feel bound to advance the cause of a group that was legally unable to cast a vote for them?

Or is this where we get into the part about illegal immigrants turning out in droves to vote using Soros-funded fake ID's?

I'm sure California Democrats just hate all those extra electoral votes they get thanks to illegal immigration.

That's the point. States with high illegal immigration have disproportionate influence on our elections.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

So the Great Wall of China was never used? Never successful? etc etc?? Please educate me.

It didnt stop Chingis Khan, and the reason it didnt stop him wasnt because he smashed through it or anything, but because the Chinese gave the keys to the wall gates to other Mongols they hired to guard the wall. When Temujin showed up with a large number of his countrymen and the Mongol guards knew he meant business, they just gave him the keys and let him pass through unopposed.

 

[JbModest]

 

[Philo-Publius]

I dont follow american politics too much but im curious what ever happened with the wall thing? Did u guys start building it yet?

It's only been a year and legislative progress during the Trump administration has been sluggish. Trump will need approval from Congress to complete the "wall." He will probably try to make it part of the infrastructure bill that will come after Congress passes tax reform.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

You object to the Constitutional apportionment process, yes? Does the specific area of your disagreement have any real-world impact, though? That was the question being asked (the answer, which you refused to give because you're just blindly repeating a talking point that you don't actually understand, is no, not really).

Real world impact like border States gaining representatives? You're slow bud...