So what happened with the Wall?

[Jack V Savage]

Fences are fine but walls.....especially if that wall is right behind the fence that already exists, then it’s twice as racist

I'm not commenting on the goal of increased border security, which both parties share. I'm talking about the rhetoric. Obviously, "the wall" was mostly symbolic (which is why no one cares that he immediately abandoned the idea of actually building a wall). As long as they get to see videos of crying families being roughly treated by border cops and Trump starting Twitter fights with black celebrities, Trump's fans are happy. But they're getting fucked by actual policy. It's a scam. Use racial resentment to loot the country.

Worked for Obama.

He ran on unity and delivered increased bank regulations (including the creation of a consumer protection bureau), tax breaks that disproportionately helped the middle class and poor, an EITC increase, tax increases on the rich, greatly expanded access to healthcare, etc. Booming markets always disproportionately benefit the wealthy, but in terms of policy changes, it was the exact opposite.

 

[Bald1]

Walls are so 1961. Electrified fences with night vision cameras is where it's at nowadays.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Walls are so 1961. Electrified fences with night vision cameras is where it's at nowadays.

And sharks with lasers.

 

[cincymma79]

I'm not commenting on the goal of increased border security, which both parties share. I'm talking about the rhetoric. Obviously, "the wall" was mostly symbolic (which is why no one cares that he immediately abandoned the idea of actually building a wall). As long as they get to see videos of crying families being roughly treated by border cops and Trump starting Twitter fights with black celebrities, Trump's fans are happy. But they're getting fucked by actual policy. It's a scam. Use racial resentment to loot the country.



He ran on unity and delivered increased bank regulations (including the creation of a consumer protection bureau), tax breaks that disproportionately helped the middle class and poor, an EITC increase, tax increases on the rich, greatly expanded access to healthcare, etc. Booming markets always disproportionately benefit the wealthy, but in terms of policy changes, it was the exact opposite.

Was it racist when obama hilt a wall? No. Is it racist when trump does the exact Same thing, even in the same places? Of course. You say so

 

[Jack V Savage]

And sharks with lasers.

Illegal immigration from the Southern border was a problem of the early Aughts and has been mostly licked already (net border crossings have been negative for a while now). But targeting employers would end it. That's not the goal, though.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Was it racist when obama hilt a wall? No. Is it racist when trump does the exact Same thing, even in the same places? Of course. You say so

Why are you repeating the same argument after I already pointed out that it's not relevant? It's not about border security, it's about the divisive, ugly rhetoric. No one thinks that a wall is the best way to improve border security, but talking about it sends a message that his followers like so much they don't notice that they're getting fucked.

 

[Bald1]

And sharks with lasers.

In the moats, yeah, gamebred pit bulls on land with freedom birds soaring overhead.

But yeah, a fence is much more sensible.

 

[Strychnine]

I was told that Mexico was going to pay for it.

Anyone have a Peso count yet?

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Illegal immigration from the Southern border was a problem of the early Aughts and has been mostly licked already (net border crossings have been negative for a while now). But targeting employers would end it. That's not the goal, though.

I'm in favor of targeting employers.
And I really don't care if Trump builds the wall or not, I'm just glad he said it.

In the moats, yeah, gamebred pit bulls on land with freedom birds soaring overhead.

But yeah, a fence is much more sensible.

Doesn't matter, Mexico is footing the bill anyways.

 

[Jack V Savage]

And I really don't care if Trump builds the wall or not, I'm just glad he said it.

Yep, that's what I was saying. His rube supporters like the ugly rhetoric and don't care about the results. And the donors are the opposite. They look past the rhetoric as long as they get to loot the country.

 

[JSN]

I was told that Mexico was going to pay for it.

Anyone have a Peso count yet?

so far President The Donald has collected about 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pesos. Unfortunately that's only enough to buy a pack of gum.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Yep, that's what I was saying. His rube supporters like the ugly rhetoric and don't care about the results. And the donors are the opposite. They look past the rhetoric as long as they get to loot the country.

Trump has done a great service to this country by exposing the left's ugly rhetoric (e.g. rubes and deplorables).

 

[cincymma79]

Why are you repeating the same argument after I already pointed out that it's not relevant? It's not about border security, it's about the divisive, ugly rhetoric. No one thinks that a wall is the best way to improve border security, but talking about it sends a message that his followers like so much they don't notice that they're getting fucked.

self pwn?

 

[Jack V Savage]

self pwn?

Huh?

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

As long as they get to see videos of crying families being roughly treated by border cops and Trump starting Twitter fights with black celebrities, Trump's fans are happy.

Who exactly is this "they" you refer to? Your tribalism is showing bud

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

No one thinks that a wall is the best way to improve border security,

Israel disagrees

 

[Jack V Savage]

Who exactly is this "they" you refer to? Your tribalism is showing bud

Trump's fans. I would rewrite if this weren't just a karate forum, but you can also pretty clearly tell if you read closely. Not sure what you think "tribalism" means.

Israel disagrees

Can you link to where "Israel" commented on the U.S. border? And who is speaking for Israel?

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I admire JVS' patience.

 

[livingdeadmoose]

It's an old scam. Run on racial resentment, deliver oligarchy.

Thanks for perfectly describing Obama’s presidency.

 

[weed]

the White Walkers made it through.