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Their styles are nothing alike.
Nationalistic pride not withstanding, Khabib doesn't truly believe Fedor would beat DC or Cain.
So u honestly think and with all respect to Fedor’s accomplishments and long reign
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Their styles are nothing alike.
Nationalistic pride not withstanding, Khabib doesn't truly believe Fedor would beat DC or Cain.
Let’s get the easy stuff out of the way first. Here are some posts of mine from before Stipe-Ngannou 2:
My official prediction for the rematch (I picked Stipe the first time):
So, I really don’t care what the majority was saying before their rematch. The writing was on the wall for Stipe, and it was there for anyone to see.
Did I notice that Ngannou didn’t gas himself windmilling in the first 2 minutes? Of course, and good on him. But learning to pace yourself a bit is hardly some next level shit. It’s a basic adjustment.
I like the way you described Ngannou’s wrestling though: “competent.” I think that’s fair. He certainly looked competent in his wrestling. It’s clear that he worked on his wrestling in the 3 years between their fights. But that’s all we can say. Saying that Ngannou “improved by leaps and bounds” is not something we saw in that fight. Ngannou improved his wrestling some, and paced himself better, which is great. But he largely won that fight because Stipe was small, had less muscle, less strength, was nowhere near as explosive, and was very hittable, because he was falling out of prime.
Good on you that you predicted the result. Hope you won some money on it!
It also seems that you and I agree on what we observed during their second fight and we only disagree on the interpretation or assessment of degree of improvement.
I think the fact that he fights smarter since that first fight is in itself a big improvement. But the biggest sea change is the wrestling addition- previously he didn't har a wrestling game at all past stuffing takedowns. The first niocic fight showed that once muocic took him down he didn't know what to do very much. Its completely diff now as he proved when he beat milcic at his own game. So that alone is a huge difference now as he is now not lost if u can take him down ut he is a threat himself there.
On miocic I don't think he deteriorated appreciably that much between us first fight and second fight against ngannou, not to the degree it had any difference on the result. He never could math nganmou for power or strength anyway in his first fight. He didn't hurt ngannou at all in the first fight either despite hiting him a lot more. The timing and countering ability was still there for miocic.
The only difference was the two things that enabled him to win and dominate for the first match were nullified by ngannou's preparation- firstly by eliminating the head hunting haymakers that nullified a lot of miocic's slipping and pivoting out of the danger zone. The far more deliberate and patient approach meant that he didn't bull rush miocic and make it easy for him to evade his strikes.
The second was The addition of a new wrestling g game tht took away the one offensive threat miocic had over ngannou and that helped him dominate the first fight.miocic wouldn't even take ngannou down now and not only that he was reversed and then ground and pounded for a short period- this for a wrestler who held his own against cormier wrestling wise.
Hence to me these are leaps and bounds improvements that make ngannou a much more dangerous fighter than he already was.
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Again, it looks like you think real life is like a videogame where years pass and you still have the same characters at the same level.
Injuries, age and beatdowns ruin careers.
A fighter may be amazing at some point and just two years later he may be done,
Look at Tony Ferguson. He went from being the second best LW in tne world to basically a can in only one year.
Look what happened to Cain Velasquez. What happened to Werdum.
Plenty of things can happen in only one or 2 years, and here you are trying to prove something because 6 years past prime Fedor got KOd by Hendo? Lol
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Smart money is always a W for prime Fedor.
It’s the only absolute truth in MMA.
GOAT bless.
It’s the only absolute truth in MMA.
GOAT bless.
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Ngannou is fighting in one of the weakest HW divisions of all time. Remember that
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I think it's a case of both. Dude was traumatized by his loss to Stipe. I bet he worked on his grappling like he hadn't before. I bet he improved a lot. But Stipe also has gotten a lot of wear and tear and Ngannou barely even fights a round most of the time.
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You mean the same ngannou that lost to stipe and had an existential crisis to the point he fell apart against Derek Lewis? Leave it out
The same ngannnou that also knocked out 4 heavyweights in succession in seconds each fight and took miocic apart and outclassed him totally before knocking him out.
Compared to what? Overeem, Hunt, JDS, Arlovski or Gonzaga? You can't possibly think Ngannou has any kind of good TD defense because he stuffed one TD from a tired Miocic. Fedor would easily trip Ngannou from the clinch and when it hits the mat Ngannou would have no clue what to do.
Like I said. Ngannous only chance would be landing a bomb. I'm not saying it's a bad chance he will land it, but it would have been his only realistic path to victory.
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Don't make the foggiest difference.... Ngannou is mentally frail. If he faces adversity, he will fail.
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You bit and I wasn't even trolling. Do better and have a good life.
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Do u honestly think him or CC or Big Nog can stay standing against a monster like Francis Ngannou who cuts weight just to qualify and also imagine Francis has all the freedom to use any PEDS he wants in the Pride era?
Here is Fedor having trouble with a middle weight
while in her s prime
So just picture Francis around 300 pounds of pure brute power and 2 bombs ready to explode in your face, u really think Fedor would endure such an event?
You do realize that Fedor wound up throwing the guy who had a full-body clinch on him in the first GIF, right?
You are talking about mental strength to a guy with no future shovelling sand in Cameroon who walked across Africa to Morocco where he braced the immigration officers and crossed over illegally to Europe until he lives in a car park and finally gets to train in martial sports - all based on the one talent he had and the very far out dream that he could make it in martial sports one day. Who came back from abject defeat to miocic whom he underestimated and loss of confidence tht he displayed against Lewis and retooled and came back stringing off 5 KOs in seconds against the bes tin the heavyweight division to finally become champion.
This is the guy you think will mentally collapse at adversity? He has faced nothing but adversity his whole life...compared to his life what has any other ufc champion faced in their lives in terms of obstacles?
How precisely was miocic tired during his takedown attempt when it was the middle of the first round?
Also ngannou showed he knows what to do on the ground when he reversed miocic and took him down controlled and then rained blows on him...the same miocic who had been a match for even cormier at the wrestling over their two fights...
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I was expecting something
much better from a Silver Belt !
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Fedor always managed to get clobbered and Francis always managed to connect, so imagine a 300 pound ferocious Francis pumped with the best roids going full force and hitting Fedor in the face? It will make the Overeem’s KO look like an average KO!
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People pretend like this never happened, you're good as your last fight, hate that in mma
Nobody is pretending it didn't happen. What is clear though is that ngannou learned from thtat defeat - miocic didn't hurt him as much he hurt him even in defeat - and fixed his weaknesses and this time miocic ended up being taken down by ngannou and given a beating.
