So u honestly think and with all respect to Fedor’s accomplishments and long reign

[13Seconds]

Yep. Ngannou isn't that good.

Low level trolling is low level trolling. Do better and someone might bite.

 

[Hey Soos]

Dude are you trolling or are you dumb?

We are not talking about 2018 Fedor, we are talking about 2005 Fedor, when he was on his prime. 2005 Fedor and 2018 Fedor are two very very very different fighters.

Prime Fedor fought and beat Mirko Crocop, who was 10x a better striker than Bader and Maldonado combined.
He fought and defeated another heavy puncher in Mark Hunt.

Ngannou is a monster and would have terrorized the Pride HW division. Being said that, 2005 Fedor was a savage animal and he could very well take Ngannou down and control or submit him.

Seriously don’t compare Prime Fedor and recent Fedor.

Lol all of his wins that you mentioned got their ass whooped in the ufc. You do realize fighters evolve and you see how old fighters are barely clinging onto the rankings now ? And all that bs about fedor being out of his prime when he lost to grandpa hendo who is a freaking middle weight

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Francis is trash. Hes only the UFC heavyweight champ, that doesnt mean shit *sarcasm*

He is trash he's been carried by his power. Derrick Lewis is the number 1 contender and trains half an hour a day so being a UFC champ proves nothing. Plus it doesn't take a technical genius to realize Francis Ngannou is actually pretty averagely skilled even for your average gym member.

 

[Peli]

Do u honestly think him or CC or Big Nog can stay standing against a monster like Francis Ngannou who cuts weight just to qualify and also imagine Francis has all the freedom to use any PEDS he wants in the Pride era?
Here is Fedor having trouble with a middle weight
while in her s prime

So just picture Francis around 300 pounds of pure brute power and 2 bombs ready to explode in your face, u really think Fedor would endure such an event?

Why do some khabib fans shit on fedor? It's like you can't see the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Peli]

He is trash he's been carried by his power. Derrick Lewis is the number 1 contender and trains half an hour a day so being a UFC champ proves nothing. Plus it doesn't take a technical genius to realize Francis Ngannou is actually pretty averagely skilled even for your average gym member.

He was trolling about the half an hour thing his coach admitted that lewis was just trolling.

 

[Sanserif]

Come on, Ngannou barely had a scratch after that fight....

And we know what happened in the rematch. Acting like this would be an easy fight for Fedor is just silly.

Miocic's face was bruised up after the fight and he lookd like the one who lost instead lol

 

[Sanserif]

He is trash he's been carried by his power. Derrick Lewis is the number 1 contender and trains half an hour a day so being a UFC champ proves nothing. Plus it doesn't take a technical genius to realize Francis Ngannou is actually pretty averagely skilled even for your average gym member.

His punching technique is actually among the best in the division- which is also why he hits so hard - and his timing and countering ability is probably the best among the ufc heavyweights.

 

[TARTARA]

I was expecting something
much better from a Silver Belt !

 

[TJ Dillashank]

He was trolling about the half an hour thing his coach admitted that lewis was just trolling.

IDK have you seen his skills? Power and nothing else.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

His punching technique is actually among the best in the division- which is also why he hits so hard - and his timing and countering ability is probably the best among the ufc heavyweights.

His punching is just terrible he wings punches with no technique at all

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Fedor would beat the absolute sh*t out of Ngannou, 30 year old Fedor would hurt him badly. Ngannou is a big guy who loads up and loads up and loads up with big wild swings, the speed would be brutal, Fedor would punch him 6 times before Ngannou even had a clue what was going on, he would get dropped hard and either finished with ground and pound or submitted

 

[GOAT.]

2005 Fedor would have beaten the Francis that lost to Stipe the first time. I'm confident in that.

The most recent Francis I honestly don't know.

 

[Peli]

IDK have you seen his skills? Power and nothing else.

Oh I'm sure he doesn't train as hard as other fighters but it's just not thirty mins a day lol they were trolling.

 

[Conor_Is_Overrated]

Bruh if a jab by ryan bader can knock out fedor, imagine what a full power over hand right by ngannou can do. Fedor got wobbled by fabio maldodowhateverthefuckhislastnameis and got slept by a tuf reject. And all the fedor fans think ngannou is somehow easy to take down lol. Look what happened to cain and stipe got out grappled in his last fight. Delusional fanboys lol

LOL, Fedor was like 43, and some 10 years (!) after his prime and some 7 years after his retirement when he fought Bader.
I guess BJ Penn or Anderson Silva have also been cans forever...

 

[Sanserif]

His punching is just terrible he wings punches with no technique at all

He knocked out overeem with a perfect ppwer uppercut technique wise- also perfect timing made harder by overeem ducking his head to the side so much to try to avoid his countering.

He knocked out miocic with a perfect check hook thrown short.

He stunned Velasquez with an uppercut thrown short.

He ko arlovsky with a power uppercut that hit him so hard it flung arlovsky the other direction to the canvass.

I could go on and on but the point is the only fight I recall him swinging for the fences was the rozenstruik fight. In almost every other fight ngannou used a precise punch with excellent technique achieving high deployment of his momentum to hit very hard to knock out or down his opponent.

 

[Sanserif]

Fedor would beat the absolute sh*t out of Ngannou, 30 year old Fedor would hurt him badly. Ngannou is a big guy who loads up and loads up and loads up with big wild swings, the speed would be brutal, Fedor would punch him 6 times before Ngannou even had a clue what was going on, he would get dropped hard and either finished with ground and pound or submitted

I dont believe in making past vs present comparisons of fighters of old vs fighters of today. Its pointless because there is no way to prove it one way or the other. However if the basis of yoir view is that ngannou has lousy punching technique then I don't think that's sustainable.

 

[BFoe]

You didn't notice that ngannou didn't keep throw full power committed punches at miocic's head in the second fight unlike the first fight. Instead he patiently stalked miocic and threw partial power uncommitted shots that still hurt miocic and land frequently. The one time ngannou threw an over committed power shot was when he thought miocic was open and micoic made him pay for it with a counter shot - however that proved to be miocic 's own undoing because he in turn thought that ngannou was stunned and rushed in to take advantage and walked into a check hook that KOed him. That check hook was not a full power shot unlike most of ngannou's knock outs.

Also you didn't notice that ngannou didn't have any wrestling to speak of in his first fight but in his second fight he actually reversed miocic and took him down and miocic failed to take him down even once. He didn't just 'work' on his wrestling- he now has a competent wrestling game unlike the first fight.

I don't recall hardly anybody was saying that miocic was finished before the second fight- on the contrary the majority appeared to be saying that miociic had too much for nganou and would win. Ngannou proved insread that he had improved by leaps and bounds as I expected.

Don't buy into the lazy narrative that says ngannou is just a windmilling haymaker machine - he is a proper mma fighter now who happens to be much more powerful explosive and stronger than any other hw mma fighter in the world today.

Let’s get the easy stuff out of the way first. Here are some posts of mine from before Stipe-Ngannou 2:

I thought he looked bad in that fight. Just seemed off. Slow, skinny, just not like his old self. In the first Cormier fight he looked slow too, and got tagged a lot. He’s a great fighter but I do think he’s declining. He’s getting old for a fighter.

Yeah that’s true. But I thought Cormier was looking slow and older too at the end. So if I thought Stipe looked old against an opponent who also looked old, it makes me worry for him. Ngannou may knock his head off next time out.

I agree. All logic says I should pick Stipe. I’m picking Francis more because of how I think Stipe has declined, and not because I think Francis has improved. He’s super one dimensional.

My official prediction for the rematch (I picked Stipe the first time):

So, I really don’t care what the majority was saying before their rematch. The writing was on the wall for Stipe, and it was there for anyone to see.
Did I notice that Ngannou didn’t gas himself windmilling in the first 2 minutes? Of course, and good on him. But learning to pace yourself a bit is hardly some next level shit. It’s a basic adjustment.
I like the way you described Ngannou’s wrestling though: “competent.” I think that’s fair. He certainly looked competent in his wrestling. It’s clear that he worked on his wrestling in the 3 years between their fights. But that’s all we can say. Saying that Ngannou “improved by leaps and bounds” is not something we saw in that fight. Ngannou improved his wrestling some, and paced himself better, which is great. But he largely won that fight because Stipe was small, had less muscle, less strength, was nowhere near as explosive, and was very hittable, because he was falling out of prime.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I don't say this often, so know that I genuinely mean it. This thread is shit. Jesus Christ how many fucking many more of this exact same thread do we need?

It reveals the real truth about why discussion about Fedor carries on so much, its not due to his fanbase but rather because there is a much stronger anti fanbase than for any other big name fighter. The reason is obvious, he's the biggest name outside of the UFC and if you believe UFC hype that its the centre of the sport and that evolution is constant his presense is like a thorn in your mind, a reminder that actually you might have been sold a load of old bullshit to empty your bank account and don't really known much about MMA at all beyond some simplistic spiel.

As far as this example goes Lindlands wrestling shouldnt be underrated, yes he was a MW but just prior to this he had outwrestled Rampage and many felt he deserved the decision, thats not long before Rampage was UFC champ.By comparison Fedor took him down and subbed him pretty fast,

I would add as well the idea Fedor cheated to win that fight isnt proven, he was pushed up against the ropes by Lindland and the ropes themselves were too loose for MMA
but I don't see evidence he grabed the ropes to reverse Matt. You look closely and his hand might be on the ropes at that point but its open plus more obviously look at the ropes and how they move, were Fedor using them for leverage they would bend inwards(especially these ropes which are much loser than Pride ropes) and they don't.

I do have to say as well tests or no tests the idea Fedor was on PEDs in Pride and current Francis is clean well to me that seems a bit of a joke with the eye tests. Honestly as well I don't even see Francis wanting to add more muscle than he currently has, bulking up any more would probably slow him down and actually hurt his power. If anything I think the situation with PEDs in Pride was probably a disadvantage to Fedor, fighting guys like Fujita, Randleman and Coleman.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Fedor would put Francis on his back and beat the piss out of him. We saw Stipe do it for 25 minutes.

Stipe is way better than Fedor ever was.


Prine Fedor was getting sidemounted and nearly subbed by Mark Hunt ffs.


Failed on the armbar and couldnt keep Rogers down.

Francis is now 4-1, with 4 KOs against wrestlers
You guys gotta move on

 

[accolyte1022]

TS gone full retard

Is normal.