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So this is heavyweight Jon Jones

Rawdog said:
1. Talkin out your ass
2. Talkin out your ass
3. Talkin out your ass
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You sir (or ma'am) get a like for 62 posts in 11 years and one of those 62 posts being a troll post! Well done.
 
Captain Herb said:
I can see by your response that you are a fan boy and either don't understand the difference between HW and all the other classes, or choose to ignore them. Let me elaborate on my list so you may see the light.

1. His game doesn't translate to HW.

Heavyweight is different from the other weight classes. There are two prerequisites for being successful. Chin and Power. Chin, because you often have to take a shot to deliver your own. Sooner or later everyone gets hit clean and Jones will be no different. He has shown good recovery at LHW but again, HW is a different world. We don't know what would happen if the big boys crack him. Power, because at Heavyweight you HAVE to have a deterrent, you have to make your opponent think twice about walking through you. That's why two big punchers like BB and Ngannou will circle each other continuously in an uneventful fight. If Jon can't deter anyone from walking through his pitter patter, he will either be on the run for the entire fight or KOd. Neither amounts to a win. Jon's game at LHW is reliant on a length and reach advantage, and maintaining distance so he can control where the fight goes and how it happens. If he sees an opening, he will jump in and deliver his spinning elbow or whatever but usually he is just sitting around with distance-controlling kicks waiting for that opening. That will not work at HW. It just won't. His length and reach advantage are gone and nothing in his arsenal to-date is going to give any opponent pause-they know he can't hurt them. Why is Ngannou frothing at the mouth to fight him? It's because he knows he could steamroll him, and Jon knows this too. Also, when you're fighting the big guys, you're not going to land that DC head kick KO. The kick he landed on DC was about 4 1/2 feet off the ground, awkward, not powerful, and DC ducked into it with all his might. That's not going to happen against guys who are 6-6.

2. His body doesn't translate HW.

I don't know if this needs a lot of explanation if you've seen any of his recent 'training'. He just looks all wrong. He's fat, slow and lumbering which would be fine for a slugger but he needs mobility (and a gas tank) to implement his game. Putting on sloppy weight (mostly in his mid-section) might benefit his grappling at the heavier weight but it would detract from everything else.

3. His psychological outlook doesn't translate to HW (afraid to lose)

HW is a kill or be killed division. He just doesn't have that mindset like Hunt, JDS, Nelson, Rothwell, Overeem, and so many others have. He is so risk-averse that he would never do well there unless he changed his fighting philosophy.

4. Wrestling is shot

Didn't try to take down and finish Santos who was dead in the water and couldn't take and keep down Reyes--the football player. Couldn't finish Anthony Smith who was not game in any way and hugely out-classed. The last time it was a factor was Gus 2, but Gus had an injury it turned out, and not exactly in his prime anymore. Before that, he looked great against DC, but of course, he tested positive for PEDs and Steroids before and after those fights.

5. Chin is untested at HW

Self-explanatory

6. No power (no deterrent)-- whether you like it or not.

Covered in #1

7. Past prime

Objectively he is beyond his fighting prime. 10 good fighting years is normal and he is beyond that. His last several fights speak for themselves.

8. No roids

Next time he pops it's a lifetime ban. He's just not going to risk that. It would completely devastate his legacy which he is so proud of. It's pretty easy to see he is not on the good stuff. If he was, he would probably still be a beast--which he's not at this point.

9. Watch his actions, not his words. Jon Jones knows better than anyone how well he would do at HW and STILL no fight on the horizon, although many excuses. That should tell you everything you need to know. (Of course I'm not going to track you down in a year or two but when you think back on how Jones retired without even one Heavyweight fight--you'll say to yourself, "Damn, Herb was right again!"
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These r all.like ur opinion dude??...nothing ur saying is fact just ur take on jones..atleast i back my points up with relative data ur just telling me how u feel..

Im fan of what jones has done as a fighter...i dont like him as a person and the fact hes a cheating motherfucker but im not stupid the guys a once in a lifetime talent and one read through his resume should show u that...

The skills level between HW and LHW is way different jones was on top of the more skilled division for longer then ngannous entire career...


U shit on cormier but seem to forget cormier came from 205 and koed stipe ...to become HW champion...how come the 4 and half foot guy as u claim can come and be successful at HW...but jon jones can't? A guy whos as tall as ngannou lol...
 
blaseblah said:
Fighters don't magically get their prime back by changing weight classes. His age is irrelevant. Look how long he's been fighting. He's ancient in fight years.
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U can absolutely reinvent yourself in a new division LOL....

R u new to combat sports or something?...
 
snugglecakes said:
But hes on a theoretical 2 fight losing streak against overrated slumping opponents who are 1 loss away from maybe being cut. 1 of them was against a 1 legged middleweight.

His wrestling has absolutely gone down the tubes. He couldn’t take either of them down for shit. How does he think he’s gonna take down heavyweights when he can’t take down bloated 1 legged middleweights? His performances had been extremely lackluster from the instant his picos wore off.
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LMAO!
"Theoretical losing streak"

Thats a HILARIOUS new term.

"In my personal theory he didn't win"
 
Jones is training up, resting up and bulking up - absolutely one of the all time greats, I wouldn't count him out.
 
Paolo Delutis said:
These r all.like ur opinion dude??...nothing ur saying is fact just ur take on jones..atleast i back my points up with relative data ur just telling me how u feel..

Im fan of what jones has done as a fighter...i dont like him as a person and the fact hes a cheating motherfucker but im not stupid the guys a once in a lifetime talent and one read through his resume should show u that...

The skills level between HW and LHW is way different jones was on top of the more skilled division for longer then ngannous entire career...


U shit on cormier but seem to forget cormier came from 205 and koed stipe ...to become HW champion...how come the 4 and half foot guy as u claim can come and be successful at HW...but jon jones can't? A guy whos as tall as ngannou lol...
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DC isn't 4.5' tall, it's just where the kick landed because he ducked so heavily into it. DC is a great fighter, among the all time best and it would have been another great win for Jones if he hadn't got caught (again). But let's not pretend LHW DC is the same animal as HW DC. Jones even said himself, in a fit of honesty, that he wouldn't fight him at HW because DC would have the advantage there.

Of course these are my opinions and conclusions and you have a right to your own, but in the end we will know who was correct.
 
Benoitthegr8 said:
Unfortunately the dumb argument of power is the single absolute equalizer that is shared among all the elite Heavyweights... it’s almost a prerequisite to be a top 5 guy, this doesn’t necessarily have to translate to shut down KO power like Ngannou, Rumble or Lewis... Jones didn’t have it @205, actually he doesn’t even have Diaz like volume punching power, the likelihood of him all of a sudden gaining KO power when he moves up is slim. I’d say that he’s going to have the opportunity to use his superior fight IQ to decision at HW, but refer to dumb power argument, we don’t know if Jones chin will be up to the task of eating bombs at HW. Additionally, he won’t enjoy the night and reach advantage that he had at LHW, so he will get connected on more often...

Your a good poster, come on bro.. unless he can completely bypass USADA, face the facts Jones will get KTFO at HW...


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trust me...
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There absolutely no doubt in my mind Jones would have K.O power at HW...all HWs have power...just by virtue of being that big..

I dont think he becomes this K.O machine...but he can get it done if given the opening because he so technical and tactical out there he'll be in position to counter or land on guys who r gassing or sloppy as weve seen plenty of bar room brawl level strikers at HW...

Well see..


At this point i just want to see him fight at HW.. 1 to shut alot of people up and 2. To see just how good he really is cuz if he goes up and wrecks people this place will melt hahaj
 
Jones is busy perfecting his peds regime to try to beat usada. He needed roids to beat dc. Without them he would have lost. He gets ragdolled at hw. Hence he is making like a leg. chicken.
 
Starts with a "u" and ends with an "sada"
blaseblah said:
What happened to this Jones? He did this without even specifically training for heavyweight

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" Stay active with gear that lasts "

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icemun said:
LMAO!
"Theoretical losing streak"

Thats a HILARIOUS new term.

"In my personal theory he didn't win"
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It’s hardly a “personal theory” when a shit ton of people think he lost his last 2. A very popular view is hardly a “personal” opinion.
 
Paolo Delutis said:
At this point i just want to see him fight at HW.. 1 to shut alot of people up and 2. To see just how good he really is cuz if he goes up and wrecks people this place will melt hahaj
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No point in debating, I one hundred percent fully unequivocally support the above statement, regardless of success or failure there will be loads of butthurt to go around on Sherdog, it’s in reality the climax to certain UFC events..LoL. Realistically there were only 3 fighters that could generate the absolute highest levels of misery or jubilation on this site...
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