SO SICK OF REMATCHES

[BEER]

If it's a good matchup, I don't mind rematches.

Middle of the pack fighters are only good for fun scraps or as stepping stones for future contenders. If two guys step in the cage and put on a real show, let's see it again. It's fun.

At the top end of the sport, I do think rematches should be reserved for razor thin fights, though. If there is a dominant champ who loses after 3-5 defenses, I'm cool with him getting a rematch.

 

[Congo66]

There aren't enough fighters in the UFC and there aren't enough at the top of it.
So there aren't any options, there have to be rematches.
The UFC model guarantees it, it's been like this from the start.

Royce vs Shamrock 2 happened in UFC 5 with Royce vs Shamrock 1 happening in UFC 1.

 

[Poids Moyen]

Is this a joke?
Stipe got his rematch without fighting anybody, while DC was out defending the belt.

Ya fookin goof

Stipe has defended the title more times.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

It should be a rare, special circumstance .. to settle the score between the very best ... for the purpose of determining ranking ... rather than a default request by everyone who loses because they want "a second chance."

It is a rare, special circumstance.

Again, this isn't 2011.

 

[TeTe]

Immediate rematches are fine as long as the first fight was entertaining and close.

Otherwise, I agree, there should be some time in between the rematch if it happens at all and assuming one of the fighters doesn't fall off a cliff afterward. Don't need a rematch two years later after one of the fighters loses another three fights and is close to reaching can status.

 

[PitDoggMMA]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but in the event of an Aldo/McGregor incident - I believe an immediate rematch was definitely warranted. 1 perfect punch? Can't say it was "lucky", it was perfect, but the probability of that happening again is slim to none, and we were robbed of a potentially great fight in the rematch.

We agree. Aldo was such a great champion, and it was such a quick loss, the rematch would be warranted.

If, however, it was a drawn out fight, were one ultimately dominated and finished the other, then a rematch would not be warranted.

It's, like Stipe versus DC. Stipe was KO'd with a fluke punch, but decisively won, wore down, and KO'd DC on the second go around.

I do not think DC deserves a rematch from the second outing, claiming he "should've wrestled."

DC had several rounds to make that decision, and he was clearly getting tired and losing his strength as the rounds progressed. DC's loss was not a fluke. Almost all fights are fairly even in the first couple of rounds between two top-tier combatants. It is when the initial energy dissipates, and conditioning, training, and resolve takeover, where who is the better fighter gets resolved.

DC faded in both strength and resolve as the fight wore on, while Stipe increased in both strength and resolve as the fight wore on. It was a physical and mental beating/domination of Stipe over DC, leaving no doubt as to who was the better man.

 

[McDego]

Oh it wouldn’t have to be at HW. I just think DC has a better chance at HW. I said that for the fun of competitiveness. And hey, how cool would it be if DC gets the title back from Stipe then Jones gets the opportunity to be a 2 division champion by fighting someone he’s already fought twice?

Yes. I am a Conor fan lol. Conor/Khabib was the highest selling ppv in UFC history. Is that not good enough of a reason to one day do it again? Maybe later on down the road at the very least?

Conor/Diaz 2 was a top selling ppv as well. How could that not be warranted? Short notice, a new weightclass? Over a million buys? Why not do it again?

$$$ is the reason, but not the answer!

We get it, we understand why the UFC would make these rematches, we're just saying that it shouldn't be happening so often.

Conor got wrecked in both of those fights. It wasn't a fluke, injury, or dramatic outcome. He got worked and submitted on both occasions. If he were a long time champion with 5+ defenses and lost a short notice fight, then it would have at least had some substance to the reasoning. The point is that there are way too many rematches happening at the highest level of the sport, and we're missing out on an outrageous amount of new and exciting matches/challenges for our champions and top 5's.

It's not cool!

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

Sean Shelby and Mick Maynard are the most uncreative matchmakers ever

They fucking suck. Lol.

 

[puppybird]

I like rematches. It takes more than one fight to really know who’s the better fighter. Sometimes we could have 3-4 fights between guys and still not know who’s better. Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez for example. They fought 4 effing times and I think you can still debate over who’s the better fighter of the 2. If you go 2-0 vs. someone it should leave no question marks on who’s better. Imagine if Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture only fought once? We’d all think Randy’s a million times tougher than Chuck.

With Stipe and DC being 1-1 we really have no idea who’s actually the better fighter of the 2. We need another!

I wish GSP/Hendricks and Lewis/Klitschko had rematches

Boxing and MMA are apples and bowling balls

 

[McDego]

We agree. Aldo was such a great champion, and it was such a quick loss, the rematch would be warranted.

If, however, it was a drawn out fight, were one ultimately dominated and finished the other, then a rematch would not be warranted.

It's, like Stipe versus DC. Stipe was KO'd with a fluke punch, but decisively won, wore down, and KO'd DC on the second go around.

I do not think DC deserves a rematch from the second outing, claiming he "should've wrestled."

DC had several rounds to make that decision, and he was clearly getting tired and losing his strength as the rounds progressed. DC's loss was not a fluke. Almost all fights are fairly even in the first couple of rounds between two top-tier combatants. It is when the initial energy dissipates, and conditioning, training, and resolve takeover, where who is the better fighter gets resolved.

DC faded in both strength and resolve as the fight wore on, while Stipe increased in both strength and resolve as the fight wore on. It was a physical and mental beating/domination of Stipe over DC, leaving no doubt as to who was the better man.

Precisely!

Jose Aldo held the title for so long, it was insulting and shitty of the UFC to not just automatically give him a rematch. They were clearly protecting their boy.

 

[Misanthropist]

I bet TS would furiously masturbate if Romero vs Whittaker trilogy or Khabib vs McNugget was announced for UFC 245.

 

[magicmarker]

It seems nowadays that every time a fighter loses, he immediately calls for a rematch. It is getting to the point where it is almost ridiculous to have the first fight at all, because the loser will immediately give a rundown list of excuses why he lost, and offer to "run it back" for a better account of himself "the next time."

WTH?

Folks, rematches should be very few and far between. A fighter needs to get his shit right the first time he faces somebody.

The only time a rematch is actually justified is in 1) an epic battle, where two of the very best in a division fight at such a high level, and were so even in the contest, that it 2) really left the outcome undecided (and/or hotly debated) at the end, usually with a split decision.

Only if those two elements were present (a truly epic battle of greats + and both people still looking like winners), does a rematch makes sense "to settle the score." It also makes sense from a fanfare standpoint.

However, when one person gets the living shit beaten out of them, and/or gets finished inside the distance, there is absolutely no reason to do that fight over again. The dude lost, he got finished, and he was simply not the man the other individual was. Get over it, move on.

That said, the idea of running DC back into Jones for the third time is ludicrous. The man lost twice, the first in an epic battle, the second by flat out KO in the rematch, leaving DC crying a broken heap on the ground. The score was settled, no decision was rendered. DC got beat down and finished. He is not the better man. He needs to come to terms with this fact.

In the first fight of Miocic and DC, the rematch was justified because of the fluke loss, not to mention the cheating eye pokes of DC. However, in this second fight, DC simply faded, got backed up as the rounds were on, and got KTFO by Miocic, again leaving DC a broken, crying tired man on the canvas. That score is now settled. There is absolutely no reason for a trilogy.

The only fight that makes sense now is Miocic vs. Jones, for either man. The fanfare that would be drawn from such a fight would be unprecedented for the heavyweight division. It would offer Jones a second belt, which would be an historical elevation if he wins, and it would offer Miocic the head a truly great legendary fighter on his resume, in Jones, if Miocic wins.

Regarding the constant buzzing of a Khabib/Conor rematch, there is absolutely not one reason for those two to ever fight again. Khabib absolutely dominated Conor, who tapped out, and was similarly left a tired, wilted, and broken man on the canvas. Conor has done absolutely nothing to deserve a rematch. In fact, his inactivity should remove him from the top 10.

The idea that Conor McGregor deserves a rematch because "he's a money guy" is ludicrous. I think Conor has only one more money fight left in him. If he beats a top 10-ranked guy, and then maybe one more, he may be able to salvage his name and reputation, possibly earning a title shot again.

However, if Conor loses his next fight, his marquee appeal will be utterly destroyed. Regardless, there is absolutely nothing in his performance against Khabib that warrants a rematch. He was beaten soundly, and made the conscious decision to quit.

In the end, the UFC needs to have standards of conduct and only put those fighters who deserve title shots in line for the title. Right now, it's Tony Ferguson and Justin Gaethje. Ferguson deserves the title shot more than anyone else in the division, and it is the greatest fight possible for the Lightweight division.

Conor McGregor is not great for the lightweight division and doesn't belong in a conversation for a title shot. He has a 1-3 losing run compared to Ferguson's 12-0 winning run.

If Khabib faces Ferguson, there should not be in automatic rematch, unless it is some kind of epic fight and split decision loss. However, if one fighter finishes the other, then whoever wins is the champion and needs to move on and face new competition.

This new voguery of losers "asking for rematches" by default needs to stop. Fighters need to get their ship together, and get it right the first time they step into the octagon and give it everything they have then and there.

Well said, I agree with your points. The rematch is a very shortsighted solution that can stall out divisions when they’re unwarranted. When a contender has earned their shot, there’s a window to capitalize and build on the emerging star power (Justin Gaethje). When a certain fight has been building for a long time, is overdue, and demanded by the fans...pull the trigger and make it happen (Tony Ferguson). When a fighter is thoroughly beaten with no controversy as to who won, there is no reason to run it back again just because they don’t like each other (Conor-Khabib, TJ-Cody, Rose-JJ etc.)

It’s a failure to create contenders and other intriguing matchups that leads to these immediate rematches which are basically the first fight put back in the microwave and reheated, then served as if they are fresh. All three of those fights would have been headed for an immediate trilogy had they gone differently, which stalls the division and puts contenders in the deep freezer for over a year waiting for their title shot. The fact that they didn’t split just makes the second or first fight a waste of time. It’s like a challenger needs to beat a champion twice, while if the champion wins the first fight there is no need for an immediate rematch. Money aside, the UFC does a lot of things that don’t make sense..

 

[Rob-G]

$$$ is the reason, but not the answer!

We get it, we understand why the UFC would make these rematches, we're just saying that it shouldn't be happening so often.

Conor got wrecked in both of those fights. It wasn't a fluke, injury, or dramatic outcome. He got worked and submitted on both occasions. If he were a long time champion with 5+ defenses and lost a short notice fight, then it would have at least had some substance to the reasoning. The point is that there are way too many rematches happening at the highest level of the sport, and we're missing out on an outrageous amount of new and exciting matches/challenges for our champions and top 5's.

It's not cool!

I think my whole thing is I’m just easy to please I guess? I’d be super happy with Khabib fighting Tony Ferguson, GSP, or Conor McGregor again. All 3 equally excite me

And Stipe vs. DC 3 or Ngannou 2 both equally excite me as well. I’m fine with either

If it were up to me I think I’d like Stipe/Ngannou 2 and Jones/DC 3. Let the winners fight each other

But hey if Jones wants to stay at LHW I’d LOVE a Thiago Santos rematch. I think that’s super duper necessary

I’m just easy to please I guess? Lol

 

[Goatenstein]

Wahhhhhhhhh! Babies crawl and cry men watch rematches.

 

[McDego]

There aren't enough fighters in the UFC and there aren't enough at the top of it.
So there aren't any options, there have to be rematches.
The UFC model guarantees it, it's been like this from the start.

Royce vs Shamrock 2 happened in UFC 5 with Royce vs Shamrock 1 happening in UFC 1.

Wait, wut?

That's 4 events, 2 years, and 15 fights (for Shamrock) in between those fights, bro.

WTF?

 

[McDego]

I think my whole thing is I’m just easy to please I guess? I’d be super happy with Khabib fighting Tony Ferguson, GSP, or Conor McGregor again. All 3 equally excite me

And Stipe vs. DC 3 or Ngannou 2 both equally excite me as well. I’m fine with either

If it were up to me I think I’d like Stipe/Ngannou 2 and Jones/DC 3. Let the winners fight each other

But hey if Jones wants to stay at LHW I’d LOVE a Thiago Santos rematch. I think that’s super duper necessary

I’m just easy to please I guess? Lol

You just like rematches.

Get outta here with that shit.

 

[Rob-G]

Boxing and MMA are apples and bowling balls

What in particular about boxing and mma being different takes away from the point I was trying to make about rematches though?

 

[Rob-G]

You just like rematches.

Get outta here with that shit.

Ok lol. Just curious. In the LHW and HW title pictures, what fights excite you the most?

As far as LW goes If you’d love to see Khabib vs. Tony Ferguson I can assure you I’m right there with you

 

[2004 account]

It's not as bad as it was before in the early 2000s with Tito Chuck Randy Arlovski Timmy and many more having Trilogy and sometimes quadruple fights

 

[locust rising]

It seems nowadays that every time a fighter loses, he immediately calls for a rematch. It is getting to the point where it is almost ridiculous to have the first fight at all, because the loser will immediately give a rundown list of excuses why he lost, and offer to "run it back" for a better account of himself "the next time."

WTH?

Folks, rematches should be very few and far between. A fighter needs to get his shit right the first time he faces somebody.

The only time a rematch is actually justified is in 1) an epic battle, where two of the very best in a division fight at such a high level, and were so even in the contest, that it 2) really left the outcome undecided (and/or hotly debated) at the end, usually with a split decision.

Only if those two elements were present (a truly epic battle of greats + and both people still looking like winners), does a rematch makes sense "to settle the score." It also makes sense from a fanfare standpoint.

However, when one person gets the living shit beaten out of them, and/or gets finished inside the distance, there is absolutely no reason to do that fight over again. The dude lost, he got finished, and he was simply not the man the other individual was. Get over it, move on.

That said, the idea of running DC back into Jones for the third time is ludicrous. The man lost twice, the first in an epic battle, the second by flat out KO in the rematch, leaving DC crying a broken heap on the ground. The score was settled, no decision was rendered. DC got beat down and finished. He is not the better man. He needs to come to terms with this fact.

In the first fight of Miocic and DC, the rematch was justified because of the fluke loss, not to mention the cheating eye pokes of DC. However, in this second fight, DC simply faded, got backed up as the rounds were on, and got KTFO by Miocic, again leaving DC a broken, crying tired man on the canvas. That score is now settled. There is absolutely no reason for a trilogy.

The only fight that makes sense now is Miocic vs. Jones, for either man. The fanfare that would be drawn from such a fight would be unprecedented for the heavyweight division. It would offer Jones a second belt, which would be an historical elevation if he wins, and it would offer Miocic the head a truly great legendary fighter on his resume, in Jones, if Miocic wins.

Regarding the constant buzzing of a Khabib/Conor rematch, there is absolutely not one reason for those two to ever fight again. Khabib absolutely dominated Conor, who tapped out, and was similarly left a tired, wilted, and broken man on the canvas. Conor has done absolutely nothing to deserve a rematch. In fact, his inactivity should remove him from the top 10.

The idea that Conor McGregor deserves a rematch because "he's a money guy" is ludicrous. I think Conor has only one more money fight left in him. If he beats a top 10-ranked guy, and then maybe one more, he may be able to salvage his name and reputation, possibly earning a title shot again.

However, if Conor loses his next fight, his marquee appeal will be utterly destroyed. Regardless, there is absolutely nothing in his performance against Khabib that warrants a rematch. He was beaten soundly, and made the conscious decision to quit.

In the end, the UFC needs to have standards of conduct and only put those fighters who deserve title shots in line for the title. Right now, it's Tony Ferguson and Justin Gaethje. Ferguson deserves the title shot more than anyone else in the division, and it is the greatest fight possible for the Lightweight division.

Conor McGregor is not great for the lightweight division and doesn't belong in a conversation for a title shot. He has a 1-3 losing run compared to Ferguson's 12-0 winning run.

If Khabib faces Ferguson, there should not be in automatic rematch, unless it is some kind of epic fight and split decision loss. However, if one fighter finishes the other, then whoever wins is the champion and needs to move on and face new competition.

This new voguery of losers "asking for rematches" by default needs to stop. Fighters need to get their ship together, and get it right the first time they step into the octagon and give it everything they have then and there.

Shouldn’t admin merge all the DC/Stipe threads?