So rousey will fight Holly but dont want to fight Cyborg

[Sgt Smith]

Last I recall Holm makes 135. Cyborg could try that as well.

 

[CrashStitches]

She says because Cyborg is too big or weighs too much or pees standing up I dunno..........maybe Holly is standing on a hill because she looks bigger than Cyborg to me. Wouldnt it be nice if rousey had the guts and fought Cyborg a long time ago when she was in the same weight class as her. Then we wouldnt have to hear constantly how great rousey because she woulda got ninja smashed by the Borg ooooooooo.
Thats my new term ninja smashed Im gonna patent it like rousey is trying to patent do nothing bitch.

Tired-ass retarded posts get tired-ass retarded memes.

 

[DollaBill]

Even if ronda begged dana and the ufc to do a fight at 140 the ufc wouldn't do it. Its a business at the end of the day and that would be a terrible business move for them. To promote the fight they would have to spend million plus dollars invested into cyborg with zero opportunity to capitalize on any future gains after the one fight cause she would have to leave and fight for an org that has a division for her weight class.

They would have to make a 145 division before they could do a fight at 140 in order for that to make sense, and the talent pool there isn't exactly stellar. But it would be the only other option besides cyborg just dropping to 135.

Also if cyborg makes 135 they will for sure fight.

Smartest post in this thread.

 

[SocraticMethod]

Wait, so Ronda is willing to defend her title against a woman in her organization who has had no trouble making weight in the weight class in which Ronda is champion?

Spoiler

 

[CrashStitches]

She doesn't have to prove shit to you or anyone else. She can make 140 and thats all she should have to make. The legit thing is to meet in the middle but the ufc puts ronda on a pedestal like everyone should bow down to her. They are both dominant and champs so meeting in the middle is the only way. I mean who the heck asks a champ to come down in weight? Any male champ ever goes up in weight to challenge themselves not ask someone else to come down. A big piece of cyborgs success is her physical strength. Thats why ronda and the ufc want her at a weak state.

Why should a roid cheat who fights absolute scrubs in a minor leage organization get to dictate the rules to a superstar world champion? All respect to your av (RIP both men), but this logic is shit.

 

[elanimalsantana]

Yeah she ran to 135/in strikeforce to not fight cyborg. I can't blame these girls for avoiding her. But you can't claim to be the best by never fighting the best. (Cyborg)

Pure bullsh1t and has been proven to be so time and time again, but the head up the arse nit-wits hold on to this shertarded fallacy.

 

[clayj]

Yeah she ran to 135/in strikeforce to not fight cyborg. I can't blame these girls for avoiding her. But you can't claim to be the best by never fighting the best. (Cyborg)

Not quite. It is pretty obvious that Cyborg is the reason the fight hasn't happened. She has ducked/ran, lied and changed her mind a hundred times about nearly everything you can think of over the last four years to the point that nothing she says or does can be taken seriously.

First, the histry of Ronda going to 135 is outlined in this historical sherdog thread:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/92583821-post954.html

Then, what happend next was that Ronda beat Budd and Cyborg got busted for steroids. Ronda still agrees to fight Cyborg at 145 (According to Cyborg and her lawyers) for the FW title. However, with Cyborg unable to get her suspension reduced SF gets rid of the 145 class, effectively cancelling the fight (Cyborg's ruins the fight #1).
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/9/29...on-upheld-strikeforce-ronda-rousey-female-mma

Cyborg then says she will fight Ronda at a catchweight of 140 (Aug 13, 2012)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/13/3240734/cris-cyborg-ronda-rousey-fight-catchweight

To which Ronda's manager agrees with VADA drug and hair folicle testing (Aug 19)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/20/3256102/ronda-rousey-drug-testing-cyborg-steroids-strikeforce-mma

To which Cyborg backs out almost instantly saying she "will fight at 145, no less" and that she is the champion (actually she wasn't, she was stripped of the belt), and Cyborg ruins the fight for a second time, and ducks Ronda directly for the first time.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ight-rousey-at-145-pounds----no-less/828222/1

Then the UFC buys SF and picks up Ronda's contract and creates the 135 class. Then, the UFC picks up Cyborg's contract and even offers to let her to go Invicta and make money while she trims down until she can make 135. They even offered to PAY Mike Dolce for her to help her lose the weight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...es-services-to-get-cyborg-to-135-ronda-rousey
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...dy-fat-percentage-cain-velasquez-ronda-rousey


Cyborg responds by asking to be released from the UFC. (Cyborg ruins the fight #3, Cyborg ducks Ronda #2)

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Then, the UFC gets cozy with Invicta, puts them on fightpass and makes an agreement that Cyborg will get into the UFC if she makes 135. Cyborg signs a contract to make 135 in Dec 2014, but continues to lift weights on a daily basis and doesn't even try to cut the weight, pulling out of the fight and saying she will continue to fight at 145, but that she will still fight Ronda at 145, effectively ducking the fight again (duck #3) by not agreeing to the terms that will get her the bout agreement

This doesn't even take into account all the times Cyborg says she is going to 135, then she will die if she does, then she will be fine, then dead again ... etc.

Here is Cyborg weighing in at 140

http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/elitexc-unfinished-business-weigh-in-results


she doesn't exactly look like a concentration camp victim, she is still carrying a ton of muscle mass. She just has to drop five pounds of it and the fight is on. Cyborg is just too psychologically attached/addicted to her muscle mass to let it go. She knows she can keep her name in the headlines by barking at Ronda from a distance, while never having to actually take the fight.

Cyborg has no leverage to dictate the terms. Ronda is going nowhere, she is a stationary target, if Cyborg wants the fight, she knows where she has to go to get it.

The day before her Invicta weigh-in against Tweet, Cyborg said she could "make 140 tomorrow"
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/cyborg...ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-at-140-pounds-tomorrow

but since she says she currently walks around at 175

that means she is saying she can fight at a weight 35 pounds below her walkaround weight, but claimed it was physically impossible, and maybe even fatal, if she tried to cut from her walkaround weight of 160 (see video above) down to 135 back when she asked to be released from the UFC, even though that is only 25 pounds. The only conclusion was that she JUST DIDN'T WANT THE FIGHT, since she could have clearly cut the weight.

So lose five pounds of muscle from where you were before and make the fight. The UFC wasn't willing to make a catchweight fight for Carano ("White made it clear that if such a fight would happen, it would have to occur at 135 pounds."), so they sure aren't going to make one for you.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/4/9...y-say-gina-carano-deserves-an-immediate-title

Quit running, or does she only want to fight with a huge weight advantage where she can alter the scale to make weight? Complete lack of class and sportsmanship.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/details-of-the-cyborg-vs-akano-controversy-2

but of course Cyborg won't cut the weight, here you can hear in her own words at 4:40 that she has no desire to fight without having a huge size advantage.



If Cyborg would just cut back on the powerlifting and protein shakes (and we know what else she does) she would start to go back to her natural, walk-around weight of 137 like you can see here, and she won't even be a big 135 pounder.

 

[CC27]

Uh Holly is making the weight, the weight Ronda fights at, the div UFC has and the div Ronda is champ of.

When Cyborg makes 135 and Ronda refuses to fight her than we can talk.

 

[Sgt Smith]

This is quite possibly the worst argument anyone has ever made for Cyborg/Ronda not happening. "Look how big Holly is and she'll fight her at 135, but she won't fight Cyborg at a higher weight."

 

[chefdiablo]

Man you are one dense MOFO, no one's saying the biggest fight doesn't make sense, they are saying it doesn't make sense at catchweight. Look you hate RR, you hate her fans, all well and good. Don't let that hate blind you to simple economics, there is no long term monetary benefit for the UFC for this fight to take place anywhere other that at 135.

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There is no long term monetary benefit for Cyborg in the UFC period. Even if she drops down to 135 and wins the title, she will bounce back up to fight at 145 not long afterwards.

She just wants to fight a tough challenger which is why a fight at 140 wouldn't be completely out of line.

Ronda losing at 140 does not strip her of the belt. She would not be the same golden goose, but she would still be the UFC's darling Champion. Winning at 140 against Cyborg would elevate her to the Women's GOAT status forever.

Ronda would have the most to lose of course and it would not be ideal for the UFC. Therefore this fight never happens because Cyborg is not making 135.

And Dana's promise to give Cyborg the fight if she makes 135 is not a guarantee of anything. Cyborg could make the weight several times and fight and still not get a shot at Ronda. Nothing Dana ever says can be taken as a sure thing. That would be the worst troll job ever; Cyborg makes the weight and Dana changes his mind. Ronda would eat that shit up too.

 

[lifelessheap]

Natty Cyborg back in the day was kinda cute. She has transformed herself into something not so cute now. I hope it was worth it for her.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There is no long term monetary benefit for Cyborg in the UFC period. Even if she drops down to 135 and wins the title, she will bounce back up to fight at 145 not long afterwards.

So wait, you think Cyborg would make less in the UFC than she does in Invicta? There are cons in dropping to 135 for Cyborg, but they seem mainly physical. She's always pushing to get bigger and stronger, and dropping muscle mass would cut against the grain for her in a big way. I think financial considerations favor dropping to 135 by a wide margin. There are a lot of fights for her at 135, whether or not she beats Ronda. There's no one at 145.

She just wants to fight a tough challenger which is why a fight at 140 wouldn't be completely out of line.

I agree. Like the Baars fight.

Ronda losing at 140 does not strip her of the belt. She would not be the same golden goose, but she would still be the UFC's darling Champion. Winning at 140 against Cyborg would elevate her to the Women's GOAT status forever.

She's already the best female MMA fighter yet. But yeah, beating Cyborg would cement that.

And Dana's promise to give Cyborg the fight if she makes 135 is not a guarantee of anything. Cyborg could make the weight several times and fight and still not get a shot at Ronda. Nothing Dana ever says can be taken as a sure thing. That would be the worst troll job ever; Cyborg makes the weight and Dana changes his mind. Ronda would eat that shit up too.

This is a bit silly. Of course the UFC would give her the fight. They have been pursuing her for years trying to set up this fight. The only roadblocks they have put up are related to Cyborg making weight and showing she can make weight consistently, which are very sensible from their POV, if frustrating to fans.

 

[lsa]

Wand vs Franklin was a 190lb catchweight.

All Ronda excuses are gone.

Did Wand and Franklin fight in the UFC at the time?
Did Wand and Frankling fight in divisions the UFC has?

Does Cyborg fight in the UFC?
Does Cyborg fight in a division UFC has?

Do you see the difference?

 

[lsa]

Ronda and the UFC know that Cyborg would beat her so that fight will never happen.

They also want to fight Holly before she can get any more experience in the UFC. God forbid that Holly get the chance to get more fights under her belt in the UFC.

Holly turned pro in mma 3 weeks before Ronda.
Holly is 9-0 in mma.
Holly has trained at Jackson/Winklejohn since she was 16..
If Holly is not ready by know she will never be.

People claim Ronda ducked Cyborg in SF.
At that time Ronda had 4 fights and had been a pro for a year.
Some how that was enough to make her fight the champion..
But Holm.. Holm with 9-0 and been a pro for years.. Well thats simply not enough!

 

[lsa]

Yeah she ran to 135/in strikeforce to not fight cyborg. I can't blame these girls for avoiding her. But you can't claim to be the best by never fighting the best. (Cyborg)

Could you please argue for why you think Cyborg is the best?
because her record is not better than Rondas. I hope you know that.

 

[Team Sleep]

Ye but hes fucking Miesha tho what does that say

He wins by a nose.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

maybe Holly is standing on a hill because she looks bigger than Cyborg to me.

Then since Holly makes 135 no problem so can Cyborg. No problem at all, 135, they fight.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

There is no long term monetary benefit for Cyborg in the UFC period. Even if she drops down to 135 and wins the title, she will bounce back up to fight at 145 not long afterwards.

She just wants to fight a tough challenger which is why a fight at 140 wouldn't be completely out of line.

Except that's not true. She just wants a big payday. She will fight Ronda with a big payday, and won't otherwise.

Ronda losing at 140 does not strip her of the belt. She would not be the same golden goose, but she would still be the UFC's darling Champion. Winning at 140 against Cyborg would elevate her to the Women's GOAT status forever.

She already is GOAT. Winning at 140 would make people say she'd lose at 145. There is no upside.

Ronda would have the most to lose of course and it would not be ideal for the UFC. Therefore this fight never happens because Cyborg is not making 135.

Cyborg already was 135, and can do it easy any time.

And Dana's promise to give Cyborg the fight if she makes 135 is not a guarantee of anything. Cyborg could make the weight several times and fight and still not get a shot at Ronda. Nothing Dana ever says can be taken as a sure thing. That would be the worst troll job ever; Cyborg makes the weight and Dana changes his mind. Ronda would eat that shit up too.

Cyborg and her team already admitted when she was in the UFC they offered her an immediate fight with Ronda, Cyborg refused. Cyborg wanted 3 fights at 135, all with PPV points, then Ronda at 140.

Basically she was saying she can make 135, but refused to fight Ronda at 135.

 

[MMAart]

Dana and the Fertittas are not idiots. They know that if they let Rousey fights at 140lb catch weight vs. Cyborg, she would get smashed, and they would lose their cash cow.

Think about it, if the Fertittas believe that Rousey can beat Cyborg, this fight would have happened a long time ago to further promote Rousey.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Dana and the Fertittas are not idiots. They know that if they let Rousey fights at 140lb catch weight vs. Cyborg, she would get smashed, and they would lose their cash cow.

Think about it, if the Fertittas believe that Rousey can beat Cyborg, this fight would have happened a long time ago to further promote Rousey.

Promote their best selling PPV fighter by her fighting a no name nobody who can only sell 5kppv?

Casuals is where the money is at, no one really cares about Cyborg. If Cyborg isn't willing to fight several times it's not worth it to them to promote Cyborg for her to make others money after she builds a name losing to Ronda.