So, Helwani Wants DC v Stipe...

[Joshua8531]

Stipe's a strong 6'4 if not 6'4.5

Stipe's reach 80.

Wide frame, big ass head with a strong jaw.

Was 246 lbs on his last scale and I suspect he packed a few extra pounds since.

Has very little fat on him, so it's not fake size it's all good solid mass.

Younger. Good athlete overall, good footwork.

Good cardio, especially for his size, he can go full 5 rounds and only got better since that JDS war.

Has some wrestling background, he won't gas out on you doing some hard wrestling he will compete with you and has some defense can get back up not just on strength but on skill to even if you outmatch him be sure you will not keep him down, you can score on him but as long as he has fight in him he will get back up.

Full of confidence, victory after victory and all with his strong hands best boxing in the division right now, way better punching power.




Then we have DC ?... older, fatter, smaller, just got badly TKO'ed, he is what around 230 lbs with no limit he might get to 240-245 lbs but be sure the fat will be all around it won't be optimal mass. Dude has 71 reach and is 5'10, not even a strong one at that might be just under even.
What is the plan, out-wrestle him for 5 rounds ? the younger bigger stronger guy ? he might score some takedowns he is the better of the two on it but be sure he won't keep him down for long and how many shots can he eat from Stipe at this point in both their careers. He won't take the fight c'mon now.

Well stated.
But fuck both divisions need some fire.

 

[Gambit MMA]

lol - dc couldnt even man handle gustafson. imagine what a 250 pound heavyweight whos elite like stipe would do to tim. he aint fighting bigfoot or old ass barnett. stipe is muscular in shape and is 2x dangerous on the feet as a guy like barnett who isnt really known for laying on damage on the feet. dc had his way with him. stipe? not so much

 

[Crimson Glory]

He should first fight Oz. Then take on Stipe.

Stipe needs to fight Fran if he gets past Reem.

Id like that fight though.

Shame we wont get to see what JBJ couldve done at HW...

 

[RockyLockridge]

That's some WWE sounding shit. Fuck you Ariel fucking scumbag

 

[dipstickjimmy]

We don't have a proper light heavyweight champion right now.

DC needs to fight Volkan or Gus to get things established and moving forward.

The last thing we need is more apropos of nothing 'super fights'

I agree but with the first part but there is no reason to think DC doesn't run through anyone not named Jones at LHW. I would actually be in favour of DC moving to HW and taking a run at the title while the UFC holds a LHW tourney. Gus, Volkan, Glover, Shogun, OSP, Manuwa, would make for a great tourney.

DC won't vacate the LHW title nor should he because he gets paid more as a champ so create an Interim Belt or just create a 2018 LHW Grand Prix Belt (#1 contender belt either way) with the winner facing DC. I would give Gus and Volkan a bye into the semi final. Match up the other 4 however with the 2 winners facing Gus and Volkan. Round 1 could be OSP vs Shogun and Jimi vs Glover. Shogun was supposed to happen in Japan and Jimi vs Glover would be a great fight to watch. Have Gus and Volkan pre determined to face the winner of each bout and ringside for the fight. UFC should create match ups that make story lines possible not story lines and then Cast the fighters to play it out.

I think establishing a clear champion at LHW would be best served this way. Of course it will never happen. More likely McGregor forces Dana/WME to strip DC and award the LHW to Artem.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Stipe has crazy power the more I think about it. He one shot KOed Werdum who recently took shots from Reem without seeming affected. He also escaped Reem's guillotine, and he also knows how to perfectly attack people's weaknesses like he did in JDS 2.

He has, he sounds goofy, he looks goofy, has those tattoos etc.. he doesn't make you really look at him you just go over him and be like "whatever" but he is a legit good athlete among the best in his division if we go by size correlation maybe among the UFC.

Then we have the boxing, the footwork that is not anything super fancy but very real and effective it's just simple old school boxing, the way he backpedaled and still fired off a strong precise punch against Werdum I kid you not that shit was some high level shit simple but very effective and I don't think we have 10 guys in the UFC who will be able to replicate that type of stuff and result.

All this at HW, he likes his mid distance and he boxes you up there with lots of pressure if you can match him or have his respect he will swarm you and make it ugly and KO you. Bonus he can decide to grab a leg just to mix shit up, nothing fancy again just good boxing and good wrestling but mixed with a good strong guy is a pain to deal with and he has that confidence in himself and his team and his hands and what does DC have ? no way in hell he will sign for that fight it's not even a big PPV fight to say 'fook it' I will get a 1+ mill PPV buys and will get my share from that nope it will do what 400-500k buys and he will sleeping at the end of it.

Do people not see the signs ? the dude is trying to secure a Volkan fight in early 2018 and banks on grappling to pull it off.. he is delaying that eventual Gus meat up and this time around he will be older and no more coming from defeat Gus with low mental nope it will be a dude with a chip on his shoulder to win the damn tittle he knows whats up I'm sure of it.. fighting Stipe that Ariel goof.

 

[VitorBelfoTRT]

DC has wins over Roy Nelson, Frank Mir, Josh Barnett, Antonio Silva, Soa Palelei...all when he fought at HW. Would not be surprised if DC won, in the event they made this fight.

Man trust me, I want DC to win but he always has problems w/ long people. Jon outlasted him and KO'd him, the gus fight was close I don't remember how i scored it round by round but if it was pride judging i would've scored it a draw. Roy is about the same size as dc same reach. If him and stipe were the same size i'd say DC 100% but Stipe is heavy, long, and dc will face strength that he hasn't faced before most likely. just my opinion. im not counting dc out.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I would support this fight only if Rogan interviews the KO`d loser

I heard that the new owners WME/IMG plan to have Rogan KO the loser in all fights that end in a decision. Like when Buffer is reading the decision and the ref is ready to raise the winners arm at the same time Rogan head kicks the loser.

 

[A.S. Deep]

He has, he sounds goofy, he looks goofy, has those tattoos etc.. he doesn't make you really look at him you just go over him and be like "whatever" but he is a legit good athlete among the best in his division if we go by size correlation maybe among the UFC.

Then we have the boxing, the footwork that is not anything super fancy but very real and effective it's just simple old school boxing, the way he backpedaled and still fired off a strong precise punch against Werdum I kid you not that shit was some high level shit simple but very effective and I don't think we have 10 guys in the UFC who will be able to replicate that type of stuff and result.

All this at HW, he likes his mid distance and he boxes you up there with lots of pressure if you can match him or have his respect he will swarm you and make it ugly and KO you. Bonus he can decide to grab a leg just to mix shit up, nothing fancy again just good boxing and good wrestling but mixed with a good strong guy is a pain to deal with and he has that confidence in himself and his team and his hands and what does DC have ? no way in hell he will sign for that fight it's not even a big PPV fight to say 'fook it' I will get a 1+ mill PPV buys and will get my share from that nope it will do what 400-500k buys and he will sleeping at the end of it.

Do people not see the signs ? the dude is trying to secure a Volkan fight in early 2018 and banks on grappling to pull it off.. he is delaying that eventual Gus meat up and this time around he will be older and no more coming from defeat Gus with low mental nope it will be a dude with a chip on his shoulder to win the damn tittle he knows whats up I'm sure of it.. fighting Stipe that Ariel goof.

Agreed for the most part. Stipe even took down Reem who has famously good TDD.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Agreed for the most part. Stipe even took down Reem who has famously good TDD.

He mixed it up, surprised him.. same like he did to Mark Hunt.. he failed when he tried it straight on (double leg on a short center of gravity and strong fighter like Hunt) but when he mixed it up with boxing and just casually went for a single leg he went down so smooth was great, it was MMA on full display.

 

[Titleboxe]

Angle? Ariel needs to stick to instigating, he thinks more like a pro-wrestling type.

 

[g*r*b]

I think I would favor DC, call me crazy but take away the tough weight cut and DC is stronger, faster and has more KO power at HW.

4 years have come and gone since he was slaying at HW. And not just a few "tough weight cuts" in that time but a deliberate lessening of the baseline weight of his body, with its accompanying loss of muscle mass. Now he's 38 years old. It's not like all he has to do is eat some more Popeye's and he enters a time machine returning him to the days of yore.

 

[daltonames]

Its AKA

damn it. Yes it is. Thanks for the correction. My point was, they don't fight each other. Unless Cain is done for good, DC is not moving up to HW. Until DC is done for good, Rockhold aint moving up to LHW.

 

[daltonames]

People forget how good DC was at HW in Strikeforce. I'd give him a good shot at anyone in HW, but also important i think that the DC at HW in SF was 4 - 5 years younger than DC now.

 

[in the liver]

dc back when he used to fight heavyweights

dc now -

 

[yookfarb]

We don't have a proper light heavyweight champion right now.

DC needs to fight Volkan or Gus to get things established and moving forward.

The last thing we need is more apropos of nothing 'super fights'

LHW division should move on without Jones and DC it's time for a new era

 

[P4PSHERGOAT]

Angle...? This isn't WWE. GTFO with that shit, Weasel

I know right? He knows this isn't fake right? Lol<45>

 

[Team Sleep]

He tryna get dc to die

DC was undefeated at heavyweight against the very best heavyweights in the world. Literally the only reason he dropped down to 205 was so he didn't have to fight his friend and training partner.

He's only ever lost to roided ass Jones. He'd probably be champ at heavyweight.

 

[VitorBelfoTRT]

DC was undefeated at heavyweight against the very best heavyweights in the world. Literally the only reason he dropped down to 205 was so he didn't have to fight his friend and training partner.

He's only ever lost to roided ass Jones. He'd probably be champ at heavyweight.

Really? I had no idea

 

[Sapp]

DC is way smaller these days than he was at heavyweight. He also had substantially more athleticism. I'd back 33-34 year old DC against Stipe, but we cant be sure how the 39 year old DC would look.

I'd like to see DC get a HW title shot, but I'm not sure if its feasible at this stage. In a perfect world, he defends against Volkan, then moves to HW to fight Stipe in a retirement fight where he tries to enter the GOAT discussion.