Skill set, GSP vs Jones

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There was a recent thread about who would be the front man if Silva lost.

Pretty much everyone said either Jones or GSP.

The main argument for Jones was he has better skills.

This is my argument but I'd love to hear yours.

Wrestling: Jones has fantastic takedowns and unstoppable GnP but I don't think it's surpassed Georges' yet. While Sonnen is a good wrestler Jones is much bigger than him leg wise so he'd have much more power in his td's. GSP has taken guys like Hughes and Koscheck down at will and these are some of the best wrestlers in the UFC. And when Georges takes you down, you don't get back up til the bell rings. Perhaps if Jones could through someone like Davis or Evans around he'd surpass GSP in wrestling but for now I'd argue no.

Jiu-Jitsu: GSP is a black belt in BJJ and has amazing ground control and has fantastic submission defense. Ever since the Hughes loss he keeps his arms safe and guys like Diaz who have a great submission offense couldn't hang on to his arm for more than a second. This however is Jones' only flaw. He says it all the time his JJ needs work. While he has a very aggressive and powerful offensive JJ his defense is rather lackluster. Good grapplers quickly block transitions on him and will eve make him lose position. Vitor managed to grab the armbar but I'm not really saying that is a weakness as much of just a simple mistake, he probably won't make again.

Striking: While GSP's main discipline is Karate (He has a 3rd degree black belt and two others black belts in different forms of Karate) this gives him an amazing defensive game and he is the champion with the best standing strike defense. (Statistically) Much like Lyoto Machida. Unfortunately his offensive striking is where his biggest flaw is. While he has the best jab and one of the best superman punches in mma. He has trouble landing it cleanly and powerfully. Unless you're Koscheck in which case your eye probably still hurts. Jones however has made a near flawless offense. It's very fast power shots from a good range thanks to his reach. And his ability to throw elbows so quickly as if they were strikes is nothing short of amazing. On the defense side of striking he has good movement and fights from a good distance. This is clearly a category Jones wins.

So my finale score would be 2-1 GSP. And I would think pure skill wise GSP is still higher than Jon. (And judging by Sherdogs p4p rankings, they agree with me too) But how do you disagree with my analysis?
 
GSP was much more skilled than Jones in most areas, except in overall wrestling. Much better striking, much better reactive takedowns (best double leg on the business) and superb BJJ.

Jones has better clinch work, which aids his wrestling, and that's pretty much it.
 
Right now Jones looks like he could be the best fighter to ever fight in this sport. What he lacks is longevity and until he gets a little more of that these type of comparisons are very tough.

GSP get the edge due to a little more proven game.
 
I agree with your analysis. I'll give Jon some intangibles over GSP though. Stuff like killer instinct. I kind of want to give Jon fight IQ also. I do feel like GSP does know what to do, but he has gotten so conservative lately so he doesn't. GSP usually makes the right move defensively to keep himself out of trouble, but he doesn't use it on the offensive end that much anymore. Jon hasn't really tasted a real loss so that may be the difference between them.

With both of these guys your basically splitting hairs.
 
Jones wins in all categories by a mile. He fought and finished much better fighters in ways they've never been finished.
 
I agree with your analysis. I'll give Jon some intangibles over GSP though. Stuff like killer instinct.

So, trying to actually finish the fight is considered skill now? :icon_conf

I do agree that Jones clearly has the killer instinct, but I never considered it as skill.

Just my opinion though.
 
So, trying to actually finish the fight is considered skill now? :icon_conf

I do agree that Jones clearly has the killer instinct, but I never considered it as skill.

Just my opinion though.

It's an intangible and it is definitely something that is very valuable for a fighter. Knowing when the other guy is really hurt and when he isn't is needed for a fighter. Its much more than just trying to finish the fight in general terms. We've both seen times where fighters rock their opponent then take them down and allow their opponent to recover.

Jon figuring out when guys are hurt/broken is what makes him so dangerous and why he usually gets submissions despite usually being a worse BJJ guy than his opponents. A good example is against Vitor. Vitor got GNPed for 3 rounds and Jon got him in a mounted crucifix. Vitor was worried about the elbows and put his arm up to block. Jon grabbed his arm and put him in an Americana and finished the fight there. Many other fighters would have just tried to spam the elbows that were being blocked.
 
I think GSP would be he has a better overall game.
 
Jones wins in all categories by a mile. He fought and finished much better fighters in ways they've never been finished.

Jones size advantage helps him beat a lot of fighters he's fought. where as GSP has really never had much of a size advantage over anyone he fought, BJ and Serra, thats about it.

You have to take into consideration that jones has a considerable size advantage over all the people he's fought.

I still think P4P GSP is more skilled.

inb4 "but he weighs in at 205".
 
Jones in very skilled but i say GSP by mile when comes to skill and technigue. Jones use lot just brute strenght and size his opponents
 
Jones size advantage helps him beat a lot of fighters he's fought. where as GSP has really never had much of a size advantage over anyone he fought, BJ and Serra, thats about it.

You have to take into consideration that jones has a considerable size advantage over all the people

I still think P4P GSP is more skilled.

inb4 "but he weighs in at 205".


st pierre cuts more weight. so st pierre has the bigger size advantage in his weight class. i think jones is more skilled.
 
GSP is more skilled in every area.
 
Their styles are so vastly different I find it difficult to really decide who is more skilled. Functionally I would Jones is, as his skills lead to more decisive victories. That is what matters anyway, isn't it?
 
st pierre cuts more weight. so st pierre has the bigger size advantage in his weight class. i think jones is more skilled.

GSP cuts 15 to 18lbs, for his last 2 fights, thats not much, he is not even close to being the bigest WW, Hendricks says he weighs 207 lbs just for reference.

Skill Wise they are both amaizing.
 
Choking machida unconscious, tapping out Vitor, choking out rampage...GSP inability to finish hardy with armbar = Jon Jones better skills in subs! Jones never been taken down, in fact putting Chael Sonnen and Hamill with ease...GSP taken down by hughes, Koscheck , etc = Jones better wrestling. Striking is also Jones because he's been tagged once so far by machida . GSP lost 2 rounds of striking to Shields, a round to BJ Penn, Carlos Condit, and Diaz tagged him. The proof is in the pudding.
 
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