Should Zhang be the favorite? What if they fought at their peaks?

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If this fight plays out on the feet, I still see Val being slightly quicker, throwing single strikes from the outside. Weili might throw heavier punches, but Val's a better kicker and puncher. Weili will blitz but ultimately look to grapple. Val may counter blitzes with check hook or jabs, but she's been pretty tentative on the feet in her last few fights.

Both fighters are vulnerable defensively; more specifically, Val's punch resistance, whereas I think Weili's the more hittable of the two.

I think Weili is better on the floor--if she can get it there. I think her legs and trunk could be stronger than Val's, but I suspect Val probably has more upper body strength.

Prime for prime (Val peaked earlier than Weili, but this is hypothetical):

If they were doing a grappling match, I'd favour Weili. If it were a kickboxing match, I strongly favour Val. In MMA, I'd favour Val because I'd guess that if things got too hairy on the feet, she'd take Weili down. I know Rose did, but Suarez couldn't, mostly because Weili got better, but part of that was because Rose was a dual threat (striking and grappling). Val is also a dual threat, but she's not going to be shooting doubles. She'll try to take Weili down from the clinch. Prime for prime, I think she takes Welie down about 33% of the time but does little to no damage, and edges her on the feet.

Prediction for this fight:

Although I favour Val prime for prime, I believe Weili is the fresher of the two right now. I think both fighters can probably take each other down, but not easily. I think Weili will have more success on the ground than Val would--but I don't think anyone's getting stopped (unless by club and sub or something).

On the feet, Val's still sharp offensively, but barely throws. Weili throws more, but is hittable. I think we're going to see Weili initiate clinch and this one could play out against the fence for stretches. Val may get one or two takedowns--If she get's two, she'll almost certainly win. If Weili is aggressive enough on the feet, she could get easier takedowns, but will essentially be gambling on Val's inactivity with counters.

All in all, at this point in there careers, the odds aren't as surprising to me as they were at first blush. Pick em' makes sense. But a few years ago, this would be a -350 Shevchenko line for me. Just because she'd have slightly more activity on the feet, probably better strike resistance, and probably better endurance to initiate grappling offense. Plus, Weili did not appear to be as good of grappler a few years. With Val having more offense overall, Weili would have less opportunity to win rounds as she'd be playing catch-up (kind of like the Rose rematch, even though she arguably won).
 
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Weili is probably at her peak rn, she realized she needed to massively improve her grappling and did. She's a legit top tier grappler now. Val is still excellent obviously but she's a shade slower than her peak. She's only a year and a half older than Weili, but has so much more mileage adding her kickboxing and MMA careers together.

Both at their peak I take Val. Bigger, never had her chin cracked like Weili did, prime Val was about flawless as a WMMA fighter. Now? I'll take Weili for sure. She's faster, more dynamic, shown great grappling and cardio. Busier which wins rounds.
 
Whether Zhang is in her prime or not, Val should always be the favorite over her.
You are probably right, Valentina is a technical southpaw, who looked sharp. Both are great fighters.

We will see how it will end.
 
If Valentina was the same striker she used to be and has the grappling she's shown recently, she should be a heavy favorite. However when did we ever see the younger champion to go for a 2nd belt and not get it? NVM Weili is 36 while Valentina is 37. But just seems like statistically the younger champ always gets the belt. We haven't seen too many 2nd belt failures besides Volk 2x.

Edit: Wait forgot Izzy vs Jan, still it's rare. Everyone else seems to win the second belt in a higher weight class.
 
Whether Zhang is in her prime or not, Val should always be the favorite over her.
This. In no compacity is Zhang a better fighter than Val. Not a single one. Zhang bullies people around and she is going to have a hard time doing that against someone that is her size or larger that is an equal threat to her in the stand up and on the ground (unlike Suarez). I like her as a fighter, but if she fights like she did in her last fights (all going to decision) it might be a long night of her walking into Val's kicks and punches. I am also curious, is their any training footage of her out there? Three fights in three years might be good (heal your brain and body) but without training much and stepping up in competition, it might not play out to well for her.

I know I am going to get some shit for this but oh well. I said my peace.
 
This. In no compacity is Zhang a better fighter than Val. Not a single one. Zhang bullies people around and she is going to have a hard time doing that against someone that is her size or larger that is an equal threat to her in the stand up and on the ground (unlike Suarez). I like her as a fighter, but if she fights like she did in her last fights (all going to decision) it might be a long night of her walking into Val's kicks and punches. I am also curious, is their any training footage of her out there? Three fights in three years might be good (heal your brain and body) but without training much and stepping up in competition, it might not play out to well for her.

I know I am going to get some shit for this but oh well. I said my peace.

Val looked noticeably slower vs Manon. She still squeaked out the win because stylistically Manon is more a bruiser/plodder with some solid boxing. Weili will have a speed advantage standing. Val is still the better technical striker, but Weili closed that gap a lot too. And she's just less shopworn. Prime for prime I'll take Val for sure but imo this isn't that. Weili is directly in her prime, Val is past hers.
 
This. In no compacity is Zhang a better fighter than Val. Not a single one.
Striking? Val

Wrestling? Could argue either, so if you say Val, I won't argue with you.

Ground? Weili has shown more in her fights against Suarez and Lemos than Val has on the ground. Val has the crucifix and good control, but Weili has shown a bigger bag so to speak.

Clinch? Val's certainly more credentialled, but I've seen more from Weili in the UFC (apart from a few nice trips).

Speed? Both fresh, I still think Val's throws faster single strikes (punches, kicks). However, I think Weili's almost certainly has better reaction time right now. I also think Weili would be faster in a scramble.

Overall, Val is the more skilled fighter, IMO. However, I'm not convinced she's better across the board, though. And even if there is a skill gap on the ground (favouring Weili), to the extent Val's stronger, it could be indiscernible/neutralized anyway.
 
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I'll take Weili for sure. She's faster, more dynamic, shown great grappling and cardio. Busier which wins rounds.
I understand you picking Weili, but do you think she's faster than Val though? Val is certainly less fluid than she used to be but she's still very fast in rounds 1 and 2.

I still think Val's throws faster strikes but grant you that Weili's probably has better reaction time. I also think Weili would be faster in a scramble on the ground.
 
I understand you picking Weili, but do you think she's faster than Val though? Val is certainly less fluid than she used to bebut she's still very fast in rounds 1 and 2.

I still think Val's throws faster strikes but grant you hat Weili's probably has better reaction time. I also think Weili would be faster in a scramble on the ground.

Yes I think her overall speed is better now (not than prime Val, but currently). Hand speed and combos maybe a wash? But overall movement, reflexes, etc I'd give Weili the edge.
 
Val is just out there trying to get a decision win the last few years. I dont think she wins this one. I like her always have but she seems way slower then she used too.
 
If this fight plays out on the feet, I still see Val being slightly quicker, throwing single strikes from the outside. Weili might throw heavier punches, but Val's a better kicker and puncher. Weili will blitz but ultimately look to grapple. Val may counter blitzes with check hook or jabs, but she's been pretty tentative on the feet in her last few fights.

Both fighters are vulnerable defensively; more specifically, Val's punch resistance, whereas I think Weili's the more hittable of the two.

I think Weili is better on the floor--if she can get it there. I think her legs and trunk could be stronger than Val's, but I suspect Val probably has more upper body strength.

Prime for prime (Val peaked earlier than Weili, but this is hypothetical):

If they were doing a grappling match, I'd favour Weili. If it were a kickboxing match, I strongly favour Val. In MMA, I'd favour Val because I'd guess that if things got too hairy on the feet, she'd take Weili down. I know Rose did, but Suarez couldn't, mostly because Weili got better, but part of that was because Rose was a dual threat (striking and grappling). Val is also a dual threat, but she's not going to be shooting doubles. She'll try to take Weili down from the clinch. Prime for prime, I think she takes Welie down about 33% of the time but does little to no damage, and edges her on the feet.

Prediction for this fight:

Although I favour Val prime for prime, I believe Weili is the fresher of the two right now. I think both fighters can probably take each other down, but not easily. I think Weili will have more success on the ground than Val would--but I don't think anyone's getting stopped (unless by club and sub or something).

On the feet, Val's still sharp offensively, but barely throws. Weili throws more, but is hittable. I think we're going to see Weili initiate clinch and this one could play out against the fence for stretches. Val may get one or two takedowns--If she get's two, she'll almost certainly win. If Weili is aggressive enough on the feet, she could get easier takedowns, but will essentially be gambling on Val's inactivity with counters.

All in all, at this point in there careers, the odds aren't as surprising to me as they were at first blush. Pick em' makes sense. But a few years ago, this would be a -350 Shevchenko line for me. Just because she'd have slightly more activity on the feet, probably better strike resistance, and probably better endurance to initiate grappling offense. Plus, Weili did not appear to be as good of grappler a few years. With Val having more offense overall, Weili would have less opportunity to win rounds as she'd be playing catch-up (kind of like the Rose rematch, even though she arguably won).
Zhang is the one moving up in weight, so no, she shouldn't be the favorite. Valentina arguably has a better resume as well, and their age is similar.
 
Weilii throws hard shots, is Resilient, strong af. Terrible match for Val but let's see
 
Val is on clear decline right now.. she should've eat alive Grasso, not have heavy battles with her. She barely got past Fiorot also.
She is making more and more mistakes and you can't be at top forever.
Meanwhile Weili is strong and in her peak.
Right now Zhang is favorite for me. But prime for prime Val would beat her.
 
Val should be a -200 or more fav and this line is severely mispriced.

But I don't want to keep money on the sportsbook for months, so I hope people keep thinking like you and the line stays low.
 
At Peak?

Val stood in there with Nunes. Val wrecks zhang if they ever had fought at their peaks. zhang is a glorified brawler.
 
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