Should wilder be considered a p4p great

[The Bloody Nine]

This take is just as bad as P4P great.
He wasn’t a complete fraud. His Fury losses prove that. But he also wasn’t a great champion due to his very thin resume during his log reign. & his = as thin resume trying to get a belt or title shot back.

He hasn't beaten anyone. Over 40 fights and you couldn't find most of those opponents with an army of sherpas and sat nav. His best "win" is an undeserved draw.

I mean, you point to his LOSSES as evidence that he isn't a fraud. Which says it all.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

That isn’t really what p4p means. It doesn’t mean a lighter fighter beating heavier fighters.

The greatest p4p fighter is very clearly Bud Crawford.

I get you, p4p means if we made all fighters the same size who would win I believe.

you got wilder fighting at 213 and fighting 245 Joseph Parker. The equivalent would be crawford fighting bivol as far as weight goes

 

[WklySportsMemes]

He hasn't beaten anyone. Over 40 fights and you couldn't find most of those opponents with an army of sherpas and sat nav. His best "win" is an undeserved draw.

I mean, you point to his LOSSES as evidence that he isn't a fraud. Which says it all.

Fine, ignore the success he had in the 3rd loss & just point to the draw.

Drawing against Fury is certainly a better accomplishment than beating chubby undersized journeymen or belt babysitters.

Which is better accomplishment if a fighter has a draw with Usyk or beats Joseph Parker?????

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Fine, ignore the success he had in the 3rd loss & just point to the draw.

Drawing against Fury is certainly a better accomplishment than beating chubby undersized journeymen or belt babysitters.

Which is better accomplishment if a fighter has a draw with Usyk or beats Joseph Parker?????

What are you talking about? I thought we were discussing Wilder. Name his best win.

And again, he was gifted that draw. He clearly lost the first fight, too.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

What are you talking about? I thought we were discussing Wilder. Name his best win.

And again, he was gifted that draw. He clearly lost the first fight, too.

Just say you don't want to answer the question because it kills your whiny hate fest.
A draw against an elite or the top fighter is better than a win against a lesser fighter.

No, it was a draw. You dont get to rewrite history and make your own rules because you dislike a fighter and take pleasure in his career ending.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Just say you don't want to answer the question because it kills your whiny hate fest.
A draw against an elite or the top fighter is better than a win against a lesser fighter.

No, it was a draw. You dont get to rewrite history and make your own rules because you dislike a fighter and take pleasure in his career ending.

You say I don't want to answer a completely irrelevant question, then duck an actual relevant one yourself. Again, who is Wilder's best win?

 

[borntoloseNOT]

He should be considered what he is. A complete fraud with zero notable wins.

This is the shit I can’t stand, to invalidate his entire career because he looked shot at 38, what bum opinion. Guess even a broken clock is right some of the time though, so I guess the haters are finally having their minute

 

[WklySportsMemes]

You say I don't want to answer a completely irrelevant question, then duck an actual relevant one yourself. Again, who is Wilder's best win?

Asked & answered. His draw with Fury was better than either of his Ortiz wins.
Is this going to turn into over valuing guys like Whyte, Chisora, & Ruiz???

Or maybe even the all time great classic war between Charles "gifted belt" Martin & AJ....
Now that's an all time great fight and resume builder right there. Our grandkids will be talking about that war of elite ATGs. Am I right????

 

[The Bloody Nine]

Asked & answered. His draw with Fury was better than either of his Ortiz wins.
Is this going to turn into over valuing guys like Whyte, Chisora, & Ruiz???

I said WIN. Not draw. You don't get to rewrite history and make your own rules, blah, blah, blah.

EDIT nice irrelevant edit there.

 

[The Bloody Nine]

This is the shit I can’t stand, to invalidate his entire career because he looked shot at 38, what bum opinion. Guess even a broken clock is right some of the time though, so I guess the haters are finally having their minute

Except I've been consistent on this can for his entire career. No notable wins. Never unified. Never left the US. Until now.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

I said WIN. Not draw. You don't get to rewrite history and make your own rules, blah, blah, blah

I don't care what narrative you want to create by expelling criteria that kills your biased point.
Lmao your question or shit take isn't history...
Also, it doesn’t disprove what factually happened.

Heads up I edited my post above to add in Charles Martin vs AJ.....

 

[The Bloody Nine]

I don' care what narrative you want to create by expelling criteria that kills your biased point.
Lmao your question or shit take isn't history...
Also, it doesn’t disprove what factually happened.

Heads up I edited my post above to add in Charles Martin vs AJ.....

And you STILL refuse to answer a simple question. LOL

 

[WklySportsMemes]

And you STILL refuse to answer a simple question. LOL

It's answered you even quoted it. Ortiz was his best win. However, as stated the Fury draw was a much better & bigger accomplishment against a much better opponent. You know this & that's why you want to exclude it. Anything to stack the deck.

Dude's days at the top are pretty much numbered or done. Even his hardcore fans recognize his limitations and disappointing title reign and comeback. You don't have to exaggerate or totally ignore objectivity.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Except I've been consistent on this can for his entire career. No notable wins. Never unified. Never left the US. Until now.

Yeah if you ignore or are ignorant to what happened with his fight in Russia.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Except I've been consistent on this can for his entire career. No notable wins. Never unified. Never left the US. Until now.

So you were consistently wrong how many times in a row?

 

[BigSexy444]

*checks yesterday's fight results*

Wilder - he was never that good.

 

[Seano]

Except I've been consistent on this can for his entire career. No notable wins. Never unified. Never left the US. Until now.

Nonsense. He was an Olympic medalist, he beat several former champions and defended his title 10 times. No one is saying he's Ali incarnate but calling him a can is just deliberate ignorance.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

So you were consistently wrong how many times in a row?

i don’t think he has been wrong in this instance as there is nothing factually incorrect about his post

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Nonsense. He was an Olympic medalist, he beat several former champions and defended his title 10 times. No one is saying he's Ali incarnate but calling him a can is just deliberate ignorance.

I’m not sure he’s beaten any former champions? He’s lost to a couple

 

[Seano]

I’m not sure he’s beaten any former champions? He’s lost to a couple

Liakovich and Stiverne.