Should wilder be considered a p4p great

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Wilder is 38 and has fought once in two years. Both teams marinated that fight too long and saw both Joshua and wilder lose too many times
 
Jonny Ninja said:
Lol This thread has aged badly
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I don't know if you remember, but years ago when AJ was gonna be fighting Ruiz that very weekend, he couldn't stop talking about fighting Wilder, and what he was gonna do to him, completely looking past Ruiz. We know how that ended.

Wilder returned the favour this week, doing nothing but talking about AJ instead of Parker. When will people learn.
 
Nova44 said:
I don't know if you remember, but years ago when AJ was gonna be fighting Ruiz that very weekend, he couldn't stop talking about fighting Wilder, and what he was gonna do to him, completely looking past Ruiz. We know how that ended.

Wilder returned the favour this week, doing nothing but talking about AJ instead of Parker. When will people learn.
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Waiting for fights to happen is dumb and why the ufc kills boxing
 
Kovalev's Man Bag said:
Where are the posters that thought Wilder would KO Usyk? That's what I want to know.
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Well if you're talking this version of Wilder, obviously not. You act like Usyk is untouchable or something. He gets roughed up in fights, he gets hit. Wilder clearly couldn't let his hands go tonight, he clearly has passed his best after the wars with Fury and becoming a part time fighter. It happens to almost all fighters. This isn't the guy who demolished Stiverne, Ortiz and the like any more than the Fury we saw vs Ngannou was the same as the one who fought Wladmir.

You're better than this, you know this stuff.
 
Seano said:
Well if you're talking this version of Wilder, obviously not. You act like Usyk is untouchable or something. He gets roughed up in fights, he gets hit. Wilder clearly couldn't let his hands go tonight, he clearly has passed his best after the wars with Fury and becoming a part time fighter. It happens to almost all fighters. This isn't the guy who demolished Stiverne, Ortiz and the like any more than the Fury we saw vs Ngannou was the same as the one who fought Wladmir.

You're better than this, you know this stuff.
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Where did I say Usyk was untouchable? You're better than putting up straw man arguments. Wilder always stands a puncher's chance but, more often than not, a good boxer should manage to outbox him. Styles make fights.
 
iwannabeadored said:
I mean maybe not great but the fact that he’s fighting guys the size he is. There are weight classes for a reason not height, that’s like saying let’s make Duran and Tommy hearns the same height and see who wins….

The gap between wilder and Parker is bigger than tank and Canelo
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That isn’t really what p4p means. It doesn’t mean a lighter fighter beating heavier fighters.

The greatest p4p fighter is very clearly Bud Crawford.
 
MileHigher said:
That isn’t really what p4p means. It doesn’t mean a lighter fighter beating heavier fighters.

The greatest p4p fighter is very clearly Bud Crawford.
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It helps a fighter's case in the P4P rankings when they are able to beat bigger fighters but it's not required to become a recognized P4Per. Bud is arguably #1 now but Inoue has a very strong case as well. Especially if he beats Tapales on Tuesday. That'd make him an undisputed champ in two divisions like Bud is.
 
During Wilder's prime I was considered his biggest non-handicapped fan on here. Not counting a couple fan boys & trolls that got banned for being ridiculously biased fanatics.

Wilder had an argument years ago when he was beating a LEGIT ranked contender and was competitive with a prime Fury twice.

Since then:
He has fought like 1 round, in 2 years prior to Parker. In which he was a heavy favorite & the win was diminished further when AJ did something similar to Helenius.
Anyone who believed that Helenius was a legit #3 HW when AJ, Usyk, Fury,Whyte, Ruiz, Parker & Joyce were all active were smoking crack,meth, and popping fentetnal with the WBC.

He then went on to get DOMINATED & shutout for 12 rounds by Parker who is clearly behind guys like Joyce & Zhang.

Dude has not beat a legit & unique top tier opponent in like 4 & half years.

That matters more in P4P talks rather than speculating about his weight. His weight is low because he does stay in shape and is not a blown up cruiserweight like 80% of the HW division. Plus he's much larger in almost every aspect compared to former champs that were considered "undersized" and weighed much less.
Also, keep in mind that people who get credit for being "undersized" in their current division ussually also have a resume and belts from a lower weight class. Being a HW his entire career certainly doesn't give him any points there.
He's not even close to being the best "undersized" HW currently. What Usyk has done in multiple divisions clearly outshines what Wilder has done in the past 5 years.
Even more so if Usyk actually manages to beat Fury.

Nobody should be mentioning Wilder in anything P4P until he beats somebody from the current crop of contenders.
Helenius, an Ortiz win from 5 years ago, & decisively losing a trilogy to Fury over 2 to 5 years ago is not enough. It's all relative. The division has moved on and the top contenders have been fighting eachother.
 
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So wilder with all his speed and fast twitch muscles can barely land a glove in Parker yet slow joe Joyce couldn’t miss? It’s a boxing conundrum
 
Jonny Ninja said:
So wilder with all his speed and fast twitch muscles can barely land a glove in Parker yet slow joe Joyce couldn’t miss? It’s a boxing conundrum
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Timing and ring rust IMO. Looked like he had no real sparring. He seemed in great condition. Took big shots really well. Just was gun shy and could not land. No jab. Which is nuts because Parker initially was trying to stay out of range. Wilder has an underrated jab when he uses it.

He looked every bit of what he was. A 37/38 year old guy why hadn't fought a full round in years.
 
WklySportsMemes said:
Timing and ring rust IMO. Looked like he had no real sparring. He seemed in great condition. Took big shots really well. Just was gun shy and could not land. No jab. Which is nuts because Parker initially was trying to stay out of range. Wilder has an underrated jab when he uses it.

He looked every bit of what he was. A 37/38 year old guy why hadn't fought a full round in years.
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Poor footwork when he’s put on the back foot as well. That is where he lost the fight last night, Parker controlled the ring and never let wilder on you the front foot. He just didn’t give himself opportunities to even throw his straight right anywhere near as often as he needed to
 
He should be considered what he is. A complete fraud with zero notable wins.
 
You guys recall the boxing.com 100 greatest HWs? If they re-did the list now Wilder would rate in between the 40-50 bracket. AJ 20-30, Fury likewise - maybe latter half of 11-20.
 
The Bloody Nine said:
He should be considered what he is. A complete fraud with zero notable wins.
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This take is just as bad as P4P great.
He wasn’t a complete fraud. His Fury losses prove that. But he also wasn’t a great champion due to his very thin resume during his long reign. & his equally as thin resume trying to get a belt or title shot back.
 
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