Should wilder be considered a p4p great

[Hitdepruns]

P2P for better walk out outfit. I give him that.

 

[Absolut]

Is there a new wilder i am unaware of?

 

[ipowerslapmywife]

Hell no he sucks

 

[ferrisjso]

Wilder is 6 ft 7.

P4P is designed to elevate guys who'd be able to beat HWs if only they were bigger. How much bigger do you want to make Wilder? Wilders lanky but if he wanted to fill out his frame he had lots of room to do that and chose not to while Parker did. Wilder is taller than Primo Carnera hes not Rocky Marciano or Mike Tyson.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

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Wilder is 6 ft 7.

P4P is designed to elevate guys who'd be able to beat HWs if only they were bigger. How much bigger do you want to make Wilder? Wilders lanky but if he wanted to fill out his frame he had lots of room to do that and chose not to while Parker did. Wilder is taller than Primo Carnera hes not Rocky Marciano or Mike Tyson.

Again do we have height classes?

By your estimation Tommy hearns should have never received props for being a WW, Jr mw, mw because he’s 6-1 with a 76 inch reach. His frame is a cruiser.

Does Canelo get more props for going to lhw being only 5-7?

 

[mozfonky]

you guys are viscous and I thought I didn't like wilder.

 

[ferrisjso]

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Again do we have height classes?

By your estimation Tommy hearns should have never received props for being a WW, Jr mw, mw because he’s 6-1 with a 76 inch reach. His frame is a cruiser.

Does Canelo get more props for going to lhw being only 5-7?

No but a 6 ft 7 ft guy is choosing to weigh less than the 6 ft 2 guy for mobility. When the smaller guy weighs less its because hes a smaller guy.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

No but a 6 ft 7 ft guy is choosing to weigh less than the 6 ft 2 guy for mobility. When the smaller guy weighs less its because hes a smaller guy.

This makes zero sense…. Wilder has consistently has weighed around 210-215 except when he juiced against fury

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Does Canelo get more props for going to lhw being only 5-7?

He should. Fans give Dwight Muhammad Qawi props for being such a great cruiserweight and he also competed at heavyweight later. He's only listed anywhere from 5'5-5'7. The guy was a midget height-wise.

This makes zero sense…. Wilder has consistently has weighed around 210-215 except when he juiced against fury

He looks to have put on a lot of high quality lean muscle mass very quickly in subsequent Fury fights. That said, you have no hard evidence that he juiced beyond the eye test. Wilder has never popped for PEDs in his entire career even going as far back as his amateur Olympic days.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

He should. Fans give Dwight Muhammad Qawi props for being such a great cruiserweight and he also competed at heavyweight later. He's only listed anywhere from 5'5-5'7. The guy was a midget height-wise.

He looks to have put on a lot of high quality lean muscle mass very quickly in subsequent Fury fights. That said, you have no hard evidence that he juiced beyond the eye test. Wilder has never popped for PEDs in his entire career even going as far back as his amateur Olympic days.

Doesn’t take a genius to know that him weighing 209 for in Feb 2020 to then weighing 238 in October 2021 to know wilder took PEDs. I’m a wilder fan but he juiced. No one gains size like that in their mid 30s especially competing in an endurance sport like boxing.


But yes, do I agree Canelo should get more props? Probably should but does he? No. we go off weight and that’s how it is. Wilder is significantly outweighed which SHOULD impact his punch resistance

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Doesn’t take a genius to know that him weighing 209 for in Feb 2020 to then weighing 238 in October 2021 to know wilder took PEDs. I’m a wilder fan but he juiced. No one gains size like that in their mid 30s especially competing in an endurance sport like boxing.

But yes, do I agree Canelo should get more props? Probably should but does he? No. we go off weight and that’s how it is. Wilder is significantly outweighed which SHOULD impact his punch resistance

But you have no actual hard evidence that he used PEDs to cheat in the 2nd and/or 3rd Fury fights? I didn't think so. If you really think Wilder is such a small guy at heavyweight then I encourage you to ask around. Show people Usyk at heavyweight and then show them Wilder. Ask them who they think is the naturally bigger man between the two. Let us know what you find. I can guarantee you that 90% of them, if not all, will say Wilder is larger due to his frame.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

You ha

But you have no actual hard evidence that he used PEDs to cheat in the 2nd and/or 3rd Fury fights? I didn't think so. If you really think Wilder is such a small guy at heavyweight then I encourage you to ask around. Show people Usyk at heavyweight and then show them Wilder. Ask them who they think is the naturally bigger man between the two. Let us know what you find. I can guarantee you that 90% of them, if not all, will say Wilder is larger due to his frame

We didn’t have hard evidence for lance armstrong either.


Wilder is a skinny guy naturally, Usyk is much thicker and has more muscle mass.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You ha


We didn’t have hard evidence for lance armstrong either.


Wilder is a skinny guy naturally, Usyk is much thicker and has more muscle mass.

Of course Usyk looks thicker. He's 3 or 4 inches shorter and has a smaller frame so his mass is more localized. With Wilder it's more evenly distributed across his larger frame. As a result Wilder is way leaner looking (more functional lean muscle mass).

You do realize that Usyk used to be a middleweight for a while in the amateurs when he was younger? He fought at just 165 lbs. That's why Fury laughs and calls him a "middleweight" all the time. Wilder's lowest amateur weight when he was younger was 200 lbs (heavyweight in the amateurs). Let's not pretend that they're naturally the same size. They're not and it's clear to anyone with a working brain.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

You ha


We didn’t have hard evidence for lance armstrong either.


Wilder is a skinny guy naturally, Usyk is much thicker and has more muscle mass.

Doesn't sound like you know a lot about lifting or gaining weight if you think that you cannot gain 30 pounds in one year. That's really funny that you think a 6'7 person has to take steroids to be 235 pounds.

Wilder is skinny because...he doesn't eat a lot. He obviously changed his diet. If someone who is skinny with a gigantic frame eats a lot then they can obviously put on a lot of weight and not look fat.

It's not like he gained 99% muscle. His performance was clearly affected. Also, why would he do PEDs for that one fight and literally no other fight in his entire career?

Makes no sense psychologically or even in practice other than some odd surface level logic of "OH HE NEEDED IT SO BAD FOR THIS ONE FIGHT, SO HE DID PEDS. THATS HOW DESPARATE HE WAS!". Not realistic at all.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Doesn't sound like you know a lot about lifting or gaining weight if you think that you cannot gain 30 pounds in one year. That's really funny that you think a 6'7 person has to take steroids to be 235 pounds.

Wilder is skinny because...he doesn't eat a lot. He obviously changed his diet. If someone who is skinny with a gigantic frame eats a lot then they can obviously put on a lot of weight and not look fat.

It's not like he gained 99% muscle. His performance was clearly affected. Also, why would he do PEDs for that one fight and literally no other fight in his entire career?

Makes no sense psychologically or even in practice other than some odd surface level logic of "OH HE NEEDED IT SO BAD FOR THIS ONE FIGHT, SO HE DID PEDS. THATS HOW DESPARATE HE WAS!". Not realistic at all.

He believes that weight is the sole determinant of size and outright dismisses frame and bone structure. Oh, and height too. He doesn't even realize how those things correlate with weight and size. They're of no significance to him. I wouldn't waste my time. The guy's a lost cause if he's not in fact a troll. The latter seems plausible.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

Doesn't sound like you know a lot about lifting or gaining weight if you think that you cannot gain 30 pounds in one year. That's really funny that you think a 6'7 person has to take steroids to be 235 pounds.

Wilder is skinny because...he doesn't eat a lot. He obviously changed his diet. If someone who is skinny with a gigantic frame eats a lot then they can obviously put on a lot of weight and not look fat.

It's not like he gained 99% muscle. His performance was clearly affected. Also, why would he do PEDs for that one fight and literally no other fight in his entire career?

Makes no sense psychologically or even in practice other than some odd surface level logic of "OH HE NEEDED IT SO BAD FOR THIS ONE FIGHT, SO HE DID PEDS. THATS HOW DESPARATE HE WAS!". Not realistic at all.

The reason for me saying he juiced is because I do know a lot about lifting lol. Wilder isn’t gaining 30 lbs of lean muscle in a year.

Wilder is a professional athlete who suffered his first stoppage loss against a guy who was leaning on him all night… yes he would juice you dum dum. Turned out to be the wrong strategy

 

[Doctor Grudge]

The reason for me saying he juiced is because I do know a lot about lifting lol. Wilder isn’t gaining 30 lbs of lean muscle in a year.

Wilder is a professional athlete who suffered his first stoppage loss against a guy who was leaning on him all night… yes he would juice you dum dum. Turned out to be the wrong strategy

...Wilder gained 30 pounds, he did not gain 30 pounds of "lean muscle". Slim people gain 20-30 start lifting and eating more and gain that amount of weight in one year all the time (I've done it myself multiple times). They look more lean than they are because they are filling out their frames. What on earth makes you think every single pound he gained was muscle? You likely think because he is not skinny-fat or has a beer gut that it's all muscle...it is not.

You can cleanly bulk 1 pound per week, especially if you're above 200 LBS already. For a man who is bigger than the average NBA player but lighter than the average NBA player it is obvious what will happen if he wanted to put on weight. What exactly do you think happens if a 215 pound, 6'7 man starts eating a calorie surplus for a full year? That he is just going to be 220 pounds?

Know a lot about lifting my ass. Certainly not a lot about nutrition.


I love how you called me dum dum for predicting exactly what you would say. Doesn't even make sense, how would PEDs be the wrong strategy, they literally make you better. Do you mean gaining weight was the wrong strategy?

You can take PEDs and weight the exact same, there is no serious downside to using PEDs as an athlete. So it being a wrong strategy makes zero sense.

Wilder using PEDs can be at any point in his career. Thinking more weight = PEDs is dumb. Yeah, he decided to stop taking PEDs after losing again, that makes a lot of sense. Guess he should have roided for Parker.







I won't speak anymore on the topic but yes...you can gain 20-30 pounds and still be lean and not fat (filling out your frame, NBA players do this all the time). No, it does not mean that all 20-30 pounds of that are muscle. Yes, Wilder put on fat, it was not all practical weight, and he may have been worse because of that.

If Wilder put on 30 pounds of pure muscle he would knock Tyson Fury into the Moon. Steroids would benefit him at 215 pounds as much as it would 235, so it doesn't make sense why he would use it for only one fight.

 

[ferrisjso]

This makes zero sense…. Wilder has consistently has weighed around 210-215 except when he juiced against fury

And why would that be? Fury was bigger than him so he decided he needed to weigh more. Before that his build was working for him why would he change it?

It irritates me when people state their own fanfiction about someone cheating as if it's a fact. Meanwhile you out here pretending peoples height is some sort of opinion.

 

[froggyluv]

If Wilder put on 30 pounds of pure muscle he would knock Tyson Fury into the Moon.

Not necessarily - an overbulked area like in the arms or delts can be like driving a Ferrari with the brakes on as that antagonistic muscle may slow the whipping like punch action. When I used to bench bigger (365) my coach would always start yelling at me to quit it as i was more labored and had less elasticity in the my hooks especially the longer ones. The Lats also can get too thick and it becomes harder to "release" for the punch making them pushier rather than snapping.

 

[george-oli]

He's only not the same size as these big guys because his legs weigh the same as a six year old kid.

His arms would be bigger than his quads lol