Economy Should this guy be able to get SNAP?

[LMP]

Yes, he is preventing others from getting the assistance they need. There's only a set amount of slots open for SNAP because the budget is limited. If a city has the funds for 10,000 SNAP recipients, that is it. Everyone else gets denied.

It's like that with section 8, too. There's only room for so many people in the program. Everyone else gets turned away.

You are wrong about how snaps vs section 8 housing works. Snap benefit budget increases based on need. If a person qualifies for the benefit because of their low income they get the benefit. The only real argument you have is that we need to allow certain people to starve based on a set of standards. The idea that poor people have the means to commit massive fraud compared to someone like Rick Scott is laughable, and lacks awareness of how the system works.

 

[avenue94]

When our social safety net has become a social safety blanket there is a problem. When this debt rug gets pulled out from under us, where will these programs be? Who is going to fill the gap?

Family. Church. Community.

Again, you're typing a lot up without saying anything of substance.

What years in America embody your platitudes of family, church and community? The Great Depression?

What's even the difference between a social safety net and social safety blanket lol

 

[avenue94]

This is all that needs to ve said.

A functioning social programs will necessarily entail some people who take advantage of it. There is no such thing as a 100% efficient scheme.

Like the legal system, we have at the foundation, tbe belief that it is better to let 10 guilty people go free than jt is to falsely punish 1 innocent person.

Its the same idea. Yes, there will be failures, inefficiencies and outright fraudulence. That's baked in.

People are just so enraged by the phantasm of Reagans welfare queen. Better to let millions of people shiver, hungry, in the rain than to accept that a handful of people will game the system.

And as you point out, the cost of these inefficiencies to the government, are virtually inconsequential.

We just acceot that another 20 billion dollars of taxpayer money is headed to a billionaire for the purpose of constructing missiles that will be directly used to bury children in rubble. That's no big deal. But a handful of people getting a thousand bucks?! Riot!

Pretty much. The funny thing is everyone who works in the private sector knows the kind of inefficiencies that are baked in and just part of doing business. But the government isn't given the same latitude.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Yes, he is preventing others from getting the assistance they need. There's only a set amount of slots open for SNAP because the budget is limited. If a city has the funds for 10,000 SNAP recipients, that is it. Everyone else gets denied.

It's like that with section 8, too. There's only room for so many people in the program. Everyone else gets turned away.

That is not how SNAP works. At all lmao.

 

[jimmas99]

what's stopping them?

Funding and corruption....

 

[Andy Capp]

Leaving aside whether this particular individual should be eligible, do you think it's better to throw thousands or perhaps 10's or 100's of thousands of people who need them off of benefits in order to remove one "underserving" person, rather than let all of them continue to receive benefits?

 

[Andy Capp]

Social Welfare grifting - tens of billions annually.
Corporate Welfare grifting and tax break grifting - hundreds of billions annually.

edit: and no, the guy in OP should not be getting welfare. but the selective outrage is always amusing to me.

What's your source for the first claim, if you please?

 

[lowlife]

What's your source for the first claim, if you please?

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-24-107461.pdf

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program (SNAP) is the largest federally funded nutrition assistance program. In
June 2024, USDA reported that an estimated 11.7 percent (or about $10.5 billion
of $90.1 billion in outlays not including disaster benefits, such as emergency
allotments from the pandemic) of SNAP benefits paid in fiscal year 2023 were
improper."

 

[Andy Capp]

https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-24-107461.pdf

"Social Welfare grifting - tens of billions annually."

Did you just fail to read past the first page?

1. This thread is specifically about SNAP and "In June 2024, USDA reported that an estimated 11.7 percent (or about $10.5 billion of $90.1 billion in outlays not including disaster benefits, such as emergency allotments from the pandemic) of SNAP benefits paid in fiscal year 2023 were improper." If you want to call that 10's of billions, ok, I guess, but see #2.

2. "According to information that USDA reported on PaymentAccuracy.gov, in fiscal year 2023 states made improper payments related to SNAP mainly because they did not verify recipients’ eligibility for program benefits." Is that grifting in your book?

"For example, states did not always verify certain program eligibility requirements, including:
• Citizenship. Recipient is a U.S. citizen through birth or naturalization, or is a
lawfully present non-citizen.
• Education. Education level or enrollment status of a student recipient.
• Employment. Employment status of a recipient.
• Finances. Financial position or status of a recipient, applicant, or their family.
• Household size. Number of family members in a household.
• Identity. Recipient is who they claim to be.
• Residency. Status of recipient’s living location or arrangement."

"Based on our review of single audit findings, SNAP improper payments were attributed to root
causes, such as a state agency’s (1) lack of policies and procedures to ensure
safeguarding and documentation of benefit card issuance, (2) inability to maintain
adequate supporting records due to outdated legacy eligibility systems, and (3)
lack of appropriate supervisory oversight, which resulted in unauthorized benefit
card issuance"

3. "Figure 1: Food and Nutrition Service’s (FNS) Process for Estimating Supplemental NutritionAssistance Program (SNAP) Improper Payments." Note how often the term "estimate(s)" appears in that document.

The evidence shows incompetence is to blame here, not grifting, right?

To boot, "During the COVID-19 pandemic, Congress granted states the option to suspend certain quality control regulatory requirements, including those used to track and report improper payments. As a result, USDA had incomplete datasets for fiscal years 2020 and 2021 and was unable to estimate and report improper payment rates for SNAP for those years."

So, I'd be interested in knowing what the data shows for improper payments from 2016 to 2019. Regardless, that report you linked to shows multiple steps that have been outlined to address the issue, but I didn't find anything in it that says anything like "we need to go after the recipients".

 

[lowlife]

"Social Welfare grifting - tens of billions annually."

Did you just fail to read past the first page?

1. This thread is specifically about SNAP and "In June 2024, USDA reported that an estimated 11.7 percent (or about $10.5 billion of $90.1 billion in outlays not including disaster benefits, such as emergency allotments from the pandemic) of SNAP benefits paid in fiscal year 2023 were improper." If you want to call that 10's of billions, ok, I guess, but see #2.

2. "According to information that USDA reported on PaymentAccuracy.gov, in fiscal year 2023 states made improper payments related to SNAP mainly because they did not verify recipients’ eligibility for program benefits." Is that grifting in your book?

"For example, states did not always verify certain program eligibility requirements, including:
• Citizenship. Recipient is a U.S. citizen through birth or naturalization, or is a
lawfully present non-citizen.
• Education. Education level or enrollment status of a student recipient.
• Employment. Employment status of a recipient.
• Finances. Financial position or status of a recipient, applicant, or their family.
• Household size. Number of family members in a household.
• Identity. Recipient is who they claim to be.
• Residency. Status of recipient’s living location or arrangement."

"Based on our review of single audit findings, SNAP improper payments were attributed to root
causes, such as a state agency’s (1) lack of policies and procedures to ensure
safeguarding and documentation of benefit card issuance, (2) inability to maintain
adequate supporting records due to outdated legacy eligibility systems, and (3)
lack of appropriate supervisory oversight, which resulted in unauthorized benefit
card issuance"

3. "Figure 1: Food and Nutrition Service’s (FNS) Process for Estimating Supplemental NutritionAssistance Program (SNAP) Improper Payments." Note how often the term "estimate(s)" appears in that document.

The evidence shows incompetence is to blame here, not grifting, right?

To boot, "During the COVID-19 pandemic, Congress granted states the option to suspend certain quality control regulatory requirements, including those used to track and report improper payments. As a result, USDA had incomplete datasets for fiscal years 2020 and 2021 and was unable to estimate and report improper payment rates for SNAP for those years."

So, I'd be interested in knowing what the data shows for improper payments from 2016 to 2019. Regardless, that report you linked to shows multiple steps that have been outlined to address the issue, but I didn't find anything in it that says anything like "we need to go after the recipients".

JFC lol. You're right, I didn't dig very hard, because it was unnecessary to make my point; calling out welfare grift in the face of corporate grift is ridiculous. My point stands, thank you for identifying that the actual number is much lower.

 

[joy2day]

Receiving unemployment benefits requires that you actively look for a job; I don't see why this couldn't be the same. If you aren't working and aren't demonstrating that you are actively looking for work as an able-bodied person with no kids, you shouldn't keep your benefits. There are programs for felons to find jobs- I've assisted dozens of them at finding jobs.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Even if you don't think this individual deserves SNAP, the issue is broader: the same rules that disqualify him disqualify a lot of people you don't want disqualified (people who are homeless, for example).

Did you know that in some states, you need an address to get snap benefits? So the homeless to not qualify to get snap benefits.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Did you know that in some states, you need an address to get snap benefits? So the homeless to not qualify to get snap benefits.

Your very own post says that homeless people qualify for snap benefits.

"In some states, you need an address to get snap benefits"

That means in some states you don't need an address and that homeless people qualify.



I live in a deep red state. Homeless people qualify for SNAP here you ding dong.

Think about what you post for 5 fucking seconds lol.

 

[Blayt7hh]

This is the same logic as the incels who say that the majority of women who claim rape or sexual assault are lying.

Everyone I know who is on food stamps literally needs it to live and feed their kids, if you think it's mainly being abused by everyone then that's pretty sad.

This is the tried and true Republican play. They find some guy who can work and probably is lazy and shouldn’t be getting welfare and make the story about him. Then they sell it as people are freeloading off your money.

It works so well that even people on food stamps get outraged and vote Republican. It’s kind of fascinating how dumb the whole thing is.

Honestly at this point I don’t know why I get upset over stuff like this. Neither I know anyone on food stamps so fuck it I guess.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Your very own post says that homeless people qualify for snap benefits.

"In some states, you need an address to get snap benefits"

That means in some states you don't need an address and that homeless people qualify.



I live in a deep red state. Homeless people qualify for SNAP here you ding dong.

Think about what you post for 5 fucking seconds lol.

Here, let me dumb this down for you a bit so you can understand.

In some states, homeless can not qualify for snap. Key word being some. I did not say all states or your shitty state. In some states (not all) homeless need to provide an address, which they can't do as they have none.

Yes, there are work arounds, but there are actually more obstacles for the homeless than the poor who are in homes.

 

[djacobox372]

I would support a government jobs program to employ the able bodied who have been unable or unwilling to gain employment otherwise.

There are a lot of people out there with diagnosed mental disabilities which make it hard for them to get/keep a job, I fear that if we put the burden of proof on them these people will suffer needlessly. Providing these people with guaranteed work that can be tailored to their abilities would be a good compromise.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Here, let me dumb this down for you a bit so you can understand.

In some states, homeless can not qualify for snap. Key word being some. I did not say all states or your shitty state. In some states (not all) homeless need to provide an address, which they can't do as they have none.

Yes, there are work arounds, but there are actually more obstacles for the homeless than the poor who are in homes.

Homie he said homeless people qualify for snap.

You flat out said they didn't.

Is that easy enough for you?

Edit: and even after digging a little deeper, it appears that a permanent address isn't required at all and that homeless people appear to qualify in every state

 

[avenue94]

Did you know that in some states, you need an address to get snap benefits? So the homeless to not qualify to get snap benefits.

And in the other states?

Not sure what grand point you have here.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

And in the other states?

Not sure what grand point you have here.

No grand point at all.

I volunteered for a program that would help homeless people in Michigan a while back. Many of these people had no addresses or houses, so they did not qualify for benefits. This agency would help them qualify.

Same thing when I moved to Hawaii. They are very lenient there, but it is still a requirement. In Hawaii, there are homeless programs that let you use their address and help you register if you have none.

I believe this is not a requirement in most states, it was in two states I have lived in.

 

[avenue94]

No grand point at all.

I volunteered for a program that would help homeless people in Michigan a while back. Many of these people had no addresses or houses, so they did not qualify for benefits. This agency would help them qualify.

Same thing when I moved to Hawaii. They are very lenient there, but it is still a requirement. In Hawaii, there are homeless programs that let you use their address and help you register if you have none.

I believe this is not a requirement in most states, it was in two states I have lived in.

Ok, so a non sequitur to the original point that increasing work requirements causes a lot of homeless people to loss access. Brilliant lol.