Economy Should this guy be able to get SNAP?

[Stoic1]

Ehhh.... yes they can.

Are these rockets and data centers in the room with you now? If they are - they must be stuffed with my taxes dollars, can you ask them to return it?

 

[jimmas99]

Are these rockets and data centers in the room with you now? If they are - they must be stuffed with my taxes dollars, can you ask them to return it?

Oh don’t worry, your tax dollars are perfectly safe — they’re definitely not being used to build rockets or data centers, since the same politicians who complain government “can’t do anything” keep cutting the budgets that would let them do exactly that.


And for the record, yes, governments absolutely can build rockets.
The U.S. government literally put humans on the Moon with publicly funded rockets. They built GPS. They built the internet you’re using right now to make this comment. European governments operate the Ariane program. Governments build nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, satellites, high-performance computing centers, and national supercomputers.


But sure — tell me again how governments “can’t” build things, right after listing accomplishments private companies only achieved after decades of government-funded groundwork.


If you want your taxes to stop “hiding in the room,” maybe tell your conservative representatives to stop defunding every agency expected to do big-scale engineering.


Because when you starve a horse, you don’t get to complain it can’t win the race.

 

[BoomStronk]

Even if you don't think this individual deserves SNAP, the issue is broader: the same rules that disqualify him disqualify a lot of people you don't want disqualified (people who are homeless, for example).

Rules governing welfare are a crude hammer, and there's no realistic scenario where you remove people like him and don't also remove very vulnerable populations.

Not to mention $1,500 isn't exactly much in the grand scheme of government spending or kickbacks to wealthier Americans that we don't require drug tests or work requirements for.

This is all that needs to ve said.

A functioning social programs will necessarily entail some people who take advantage of it. There is no such thing as a 100% efficient scheme.

Like the legal system, we have at the foundation, tbe belief that it is better to let 10 guilty people go free than jt is to falsely punish 1 innocent person.

Its the same idea. Yes, there will be failures, inefficiencies and outright fraudulence. That's baked in.

People are just so enraged by the phantasm of Reagans welfare queen. Better to let millions of people shiver, hungry, in the rain than to accept that a handful of people will game the system.

And as you point out, the cost of these inefficiencies to the government, are virtually inconsequential.

We just acceot that another 20 billion dollars of taxpayer money is headed to a billionaire for the purpose of constructing missiles that will be directly used to bury children in rubble. That's no big deal. But a handful of people getting a thousand bucks?! Riot!

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Can you read?

What does ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS mean to you?

You were literally bitching about snap in the prior post. This thread is about snap.

Do you have a problem with snap or do you not?

CAN YOU READ

Your dumbass also pretended like we were doing just fine with food banks and community before the creation of snap. So it really just sounds like you are very dumb and decided to move the goalposts about 8 miles because you fucked up.

 

[LMP]

Let me get this right you are worried about a person getting $300 a month, less than $10 a day to eat. Yet will defend rich people not having progress tax rates as they benefit drastically more from the economic system? This is like complaining about Medicare fraud, while having Rick Scott in office.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Let me get this right you are worried about a person getting $300 a month, less than $10 a day to eat. Yet will defend rich people not having progress tax rates as they benefit drastically more from the economic system? This is like complaining about Medicare fraud, while having Rick Scott in office.

It's really like people complaining about Medicaid fraud thinking that the patients are the ones committing the fraud instead of the healthcare providers lol

 

[F1980]

Let me get this right you are worried about a person getting $300 a month, less than $10 a day to eat. Yet will defend rich people not having progress tax rates as they benefit drastically more from the economic system? This is like complaining about Medicare fraud, while having Rick Scott in office.

Just like section 8, there's only a certain amount of people it can assist. This one guy is preventing another person who has a disability to receive SNAP.

SNAP funds are not unlimited, just like section 8. They have a certain amount of money they receive from funding, and they have to turn away people that need it.

 

[Grok]

Even if you don't think this individual deserves SNAP, the issue is broader: the same rules that disqualify him disqualify a lot of people you don't want disqualified (people who are homeless, for example).

That's where you're wrong; the people who want him disqualified want the homeless and everyone else disqualified.

 

[GolovKing]

I feel like if it's just food, he should be able to get it. Do we have a food shortage? What's gonna happen to all this food that's left over? It's just going to get thrown away?

 

[Fedor>Cain]

I feel like if it's just food, he should be able to get it. Do we have a food shortage? What's gonna happen to all this food that's left over? It's just going to get thrown away?

What we have in this country is a brain cell shortage.

 

[Crazy Source]

I feel like if it's just food, he should be able to get it. Do we have a food shortage? What's gonna happen to all this food that's left over? It's just going to get thrown away?

And don't forget that SNAP helps farmers, just like all that foreign aid that got cut. And let's not forget that the cuts to Medicaid is projected to close down hospitals across the country, most of those in the poorest areas in the country. These people are ghouls. They just don't give af about people that aren't them.

 

[BoomStronk]

Let me get this right you are worried about a person getting $300 a month, less than $10 a day to eat. Yet will defend rich people not having progress tax rates as they benefit drastically more from the economic system? This is like complaining about Medicare fraud, while having Rick Scott in office.

To me, tbis is the definitive proof of the veracity of the argument that human beings aren't even equipped for democracy.

We just do not think properly. Our outrage responses are on a hair trigger for the wrong things.

Nobody WANTS someone who doesn't "deserve" federal money to just get free shit, but the level of absolute outrage while people ignore or tolerate inconceivably more federal dollars going towards absolute injustice, the ignoring of human rights, genocide and wanton environmental destruction.

What the fuck, humans

 

[Grok]

And don't forget that SNAP helps farmers, just like all that foreign aid that got cut. And let's not forget that the cuts to Medicaid is projected to close down hospitals across the country, most of those in the poorest areas in the country. These people are ghouls. They just don't give af about people that aren't them.

Conservatives have convinced themselves that's it only inner city black and brown people that receive EBT/SNAP but just travel through rural America and you'll learn that most small independent grocers would be out of business without most of their community being on public assistance.

 

[Crazy Source]

Conservatives have convinced themselves that's it only inner city black and brown people that receive EBT/SNAP but just travel through rural America and you'll learn that most small independent grocers woukd be out if business without most of their community being on public assistance.

What kills me is that Mike Johnson, who has spearheaded many of these cuts, represents a population heavily dependent on these programs. I read that 40% of those he represents are on Medicaid.

 

[Osculater]

Conservatives have convinced themselves that's it only inner city black and brown people that receive EBT/SNAP but just travel through rural America and you'll learn that most small independent grocers woukd be out if business without most of their community being on public assistance.

SNAP recipients represent different races and/or ethnicities. White: about 37 percent; African American: 26 percent; Hispanic: 16 percent; Asian: 3 percent; and Native American: about 2 percent. (About 16 percent of participants are categorized as “race unknown.”)

 

[nhbbear]

classic conservative tactic is to highlight a few poor, or supposedly lazy—individuals who misuse social welfare programs, and then use those isolated cases to claim that the entire system is broken. But it’s impossible to create a welfare system that catches every single person who tries to exploit it. Conservatives often respond to this by calling for cuts to these programs. Yet a far more effective solution would be to invest in them, hire more investigators, improve oversight, and strengthen the system so misuse is minimized without harming the people who genuinely need support.


What I’ve always found most interesting, though, is the inconsistency in conservative outrage. They become furious when poor people exploit welfare benefits, but they rarely show the same anger toward wealthy individuals who exploit loopholes or openly evade taxes, actions that cost society far more than any so-called “welfare queens. This selective indignation reveals that the issue isn’t really about fairness or financial responsibility, it’s about who is considered an acceptable target.

You bring up a very viable point that I came in to post. We are getting it from both ends here. I have had so many experiences with both ends of the spectrum cheating the system. I posted last month how the grocery store was absolutely packed with people on the first of the month buying groceries when I made the mistake of needing a few things. You could not get your cart through the aisles. I saw carts filled with soda and chips from people I have arrested and know to be able bodied and jobless.

On the other end of the spectrum, there’s a house we used to get called to in one of the most exclusive and expensive neighborhoods in my area. The guy lived in a mansion and would get into domestics with his gf-who drove a Mercedes. One time, they got into a physical domestic over the use of the ebt welfare card since they qualified and neither had a job-he inherited his money and house. I remember very vividly that when I put him in handcuffs for the domestic, he made sure to point out his front door and stated “I hope you feel good about yourself-my front door costs more than you make in a year.” I remarked to him that now he had really fancy jewelry to match it” meaning his handcuffs and his ankle monitor from two DUIs. Total pieces of shit.

As for the guy in the video, I am currently teaching in my corrections class about reentry into society for convicted felons and one of the barriers is employment because of their convictions, however, there are tons of jobs where it does not matter. No one would hire you working with money if you’re a thief or certain jobs around kids, but it is easy to find employment if you look. Fuck him. Like he said in the beginning “it’s bullshit.” Yes, yes it is that someone like him is on benefits at all.

 

[cincymma79]

The vast majority of people on SNAP do work, often multiple jobs. Two friends of mine work at Walmart and still rely on SNAP because companies like that do not pay livable wages. If employers paid enough for people to live without food assistance, SNAP would not even be necessary.

I am also tired of the right acting like SNAP recipients are lazy. That is just not true. SNAP is a work-support program, not a handout. Most recipients are children, elderly, or disabled. In fact, in 2021, 86% of households with working-age adults on SNAP had earnings. Many work full-time at Walmart, fast food, or similar jobs, and still cannot make ends meet. Demonizing these people is dishonest and exhausting. SNAP exists so working families do not go hungry, not to reward laziness.

i think predator 2 is a very good movie. not as good as the first but still excellent. only haters complain about it and im sick of it

 

[chardog]

Ehhh.... yes they can.

what's stopping them?

 

[LMP]

Just like section 8, there's only a certain amount of people it can assist. This one guy is preventing another person who has a disability to receive SNAP.

SNAP funds are not unlimited, just like section 8. They have a certain amount of money they receive from funding, and they have to turn away people that need it.

Is he preventing others from getting the assistance they need? Or is this false moral framing to justify cuts and harsher restrictions to prevent others from receiving assistance? If an economic system is so fucked up that the solution is just to allow people to starve in the streets that a bigger issue than feeding people. For example the snap program is one of the most direct government programs that has a positive economic impact. It feeds the poor, helps subsidize farmer and puts money back into the economy through the purchases at retailers.

 

[F1980]

Is he preventing others from getting the assistance they need? Or is this false moral framing to justify cuts and harsher restrictions to prevent others from receiving assistance? If i economic system is so fucked up that the solution is just to allow people to starve in the streets that a bigger issue than feeding people. For example the snap program is one of the most direct government programs that has a positive economic impact. It feeds the poor, helps subsidize farmer and puts money back into the economy through the purchases at retailers.

Yes, he is preventing others from getting the assistance they need. There's only a set amount of slots open for SNAP because the budget is limited. If a city has the funds for 10,000 SNAP recipients, that is it. Everyone else gets denied.

It's like that with section 8, too. There's only room for so many people in the program. Everyone else gets turned away.