Economy What's the maximum time someone should be on Section 8 or subsidized housing?

12-18 months, depending on circumstance. There are some I don't have any issue getting section 8. Those truly disabled.
I'd probably also be cool with it while someone is working towards a degree or license.
Welfare as a career choice needs to go away though.
 
Cole train said:
Dam son how people on welfare can own multiple houses

Here welfare office would make them sell the other house atleast lol
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It's different here.
It's not really welfare but supplemental money to help you enjoy your life. It's not looked down upon and native Hawaiians hook each other up with it. Kind of like payback for losing the land.
 
Kingz said:
I guess as long as they can come up with that twenty dollars but many can’t even be bothered for that modest amount. Not that they don’t have it or need it for something more essential. Just if you cover everything else, why should they even offer a minuscule token to show they aren’t a 100 percent burden to society?

My elderly uncle lived in these apartments for about 25 years, that were around the 15th year turned into section 8. He went legally blind and had to retire slightly early, but was still getting hit up for his full rent(also with occasional bumps in rent) from the place while everybody else that lived there was section 8 and I knew from the superintendent most didn’t even pay the 25 dollars or whatever it was.

I got my uncle into a retirement community eventually for a pretty good rent of only a few hundred. Guy paid into the system his entire life, the system takes better care of people who never paid even the 20 dollars
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I would argue the problem wasn't that the other people were on it, but the criteria for acceptance into it is not evenly applied.

I grew up DIRT poor. Like we didn't even have a phone, no car, couldn't even afford the bus. But my mom worked hard factory jobs for minimum labor. She died never having owned a home and we lived in low income housing paying full rent. We were never able to qualify for section 8.

But I dont hold that against the people who were on it. They deserve to be treated like humans too. As much as we did. I'm fortunate to have broken the generational poverty curse and paid taxes on six figures last year. But I do know for a lived fact that its nearly impossible. I don't think "I did it, why can't those bums?"
 
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F1980 said:
Section 8 is where the government pays for almost all of your rent. The program does not have a time limit. I know someone who pays less than 20 bucks a month on a $2000 rent and she's been in it for 20 years or so. And her daughter who moved out is also on section 8 voucher. She does just barely enough so that she gets to stay on the program. The thing is she can move up and get a better job or do more hours but she likes it this way. She is also on food programs, her electric bill is subsidized.

But Trump administration wants to put a limit on these vouchers. I think they were talking about a 1 year MAXIMUM being on section 8. Also, no more EBT for junk food like candies chips and chocolate.
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I'd say three to five years, 1 year goes by too fast.... I dont even push for one year leases, and do three year leases these days.
 
What should be the maximum amount of time people get all their taxes back at the end of the year and pay in nothing (net) year after year?

Are there only some freeloaders we don't like, or can we lump all the free riders in together?
 
If it's just a small part of housing stock (so not like Austria or even pre-Thatcher UK where public housing is a big % of the market), then I'd say the goal should be less focused on duration and more on working towards building a foundation (which is better for both themselves and the economy and society) to be able to stably afford other housing, either by renting or even better by buying (using capital accrued while on low rent housing, assuming they're actually allowed to have a job while living there. If they can't work or study while living there, it's a poverty trap of sorts).
It should be leg-up system. In each individual case needs should be taken into account. Some people might be deemed not ready to move on, because they'll end up homeless.
 
Less than three percent (2.84%) of the American population lives in low-income housing, at a total of 9.3 million people. This housing is managed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Of these millions of people, the average rent paid is $347 per month which totals $4,164 a year.


The elderly constitute of 38% of Section 8 tenants



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Less than three percent (2.84%) of the American population lives in low-income housing, at a total of 9.3 million people. This housing is managed by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Of these millions of people, the average rent paid is $347 per month which totals $4,164 a year.


The elderly constitute of 38% of Section 8 tenants



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Section 8 Statistics 2025-2024 & 2022-'23 Housing Assistance Facts / Trends

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But this is crushing our national debt and must be stopped. I'm tired of my tax money going to freeloading grey hairs.
 
The Democrat position on this is so off putting. Why am I struggling to pay for my rent when I see people who are able bodied just like me who are only paying 20 bucks a month. They feel sorry for anyone and everyone, even the criminals and the leeches of society.
 
Let's preface this question with a fact:

The required minimum income needed for median home ownership in the US is currently around $115k per year:

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Study: Six-Figure Income Needed To Afford Home In More Than Half Of U.S. | Bankrate

Aspiring homebuyers need an annual household income of nearly $117,000 to afford the typical home in the U.S., according to a new Bankrate study.
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Now ask yourself a different hypothetical, who makes 6 figures and how long does it take to make that if you begin a job at an entry-level position? Can people afford this even working 2 jobs that are generalized labor positions?

My wife has worked for the health department for nearly 20 years and is just barely starting to get close to 6 figures. Thankfully our combined income gets us there, but due to her chronic medical issues we had ZERO savings for about a decade.

People should be able to stay in subsidized housing as long as they need to. And if they want out of it they should be provided resources to increase the likelihood of it, such as further education, job training, or mental health/drug treatment, whatever. A society who wants productive people is absurd in trying to force it with shaming, punishment, and the threat of economic collapse. Especially given that we are eradicating middle-housing with dumb zoning laws, and the current administration has rolled back measures or dropped cases against landlords engaging in widespread rent gouging via algorithms.

Before you propose a hypothetical, be sure to give the relevant context because otherwise you're likely to illicit a bunch of "hurr durr you poor!" replies.
 
F1980 said:
The Democrat position on this is so off putting. Why am I struggling to pay for my rent when I see people who are able bodied just like me who are only paying 20 bucks a month. They feel sorry for anyone and everyone, even the criminals and the leeches of society.
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You're struggling to pay for your rent because your rent cost is artificially inflated and your job isnt paying you a living wage. It has nothing to do with people living in $20 per month hovels. The Republican position on this is that if you lose your home it's your fault and you should just suffer because you're obviously terrible at having money.

Which is more off-putting?
 
Sinister said:
You're struggling to pay for your rent because your rent cost is artificially inflated and your job isnt paying you a living wage. It has nothing to do with people living in $20 per month hovels. The Republican position on this is that if you lose your home it's your fault and you should just suffer because you're obviously terrible at having money.

Which is more off-putting?
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Why can't we all pay $20 for rent? Why just some, not all?

Also, yours is a very feminine way of thinking. Only women and very low testosterone males have so much empathy.
 
F1980 said:
Why can't we all pay $20 for rent? Why just some, not all?

Also, yours is a very feminine way of thinking. Only women and very low testosterone males have so much empathy.
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If you're suggesting that shelter is a right and not a luxury, same with things like food, water, and clothing, you wont get any argument out of me.

You kidding? I'm currently tanning my testicles on my roof with my Emotional Crypto Ebangelical Alpha Guru, and we're gonna mud wrestle after then have a good cry about our Daddies, no girls allowed. Like REAL men.
 
Aegon Spengler said:
The USA has 25% of the worlds GDP (wealth) with 5% of the population. The government can easily afford to subsidize folks rent. A human being shouldn't have to pay just to be alive. America has a psychopathic way of thinking about the value of human life. A country ruled by greed will eventually destroy itself.
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But they should have to pay for people who don't contribute to live in comfort?

How is it not "greed" to expect everyone else to work to build you a house and buy you things that you refuse to work for?
 
Sinister said:
You're struggling to pay for your rent because your rent cost is artificially inflated and your job isnt paying you a living wage. It has nothing to do with people living in $20 per month hovels. The Republican position on this is that if you lose your home it's your fault and you should just suffer because you're obviously terrible at having money.

Which is more off-putting?
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Neither party is stopping venture capitalists from buying up all the cheap housing and charging exorbitant rent. I don’t know how anyone without a really good career can save up to put a down payment on a house these days. It’s insane.

I wasn’t able to do so until three years ago and I’m a frigging doctor.
 
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