Should they ban assault weapons?

[DoomPatrol]

A guy broke into your house, shot at you 17 times, and only got 13 months? Can you post a link to anything talking about this... sounds beyond extreme.

It was pretty ridiculous, and I definitely hold some fault for it.

Backstory is neighborhood punk borrowed money from my girlfriend. Like $20, not really shit. He jerked her around on paying her back and eventually started running his mouth at her, calling her all sorts of names and stuff. I stepped in at that point and he confronted me in the neighborhood and pointed a pocket pistol at my face. I ended up kicking his ass for that a few days later when I ran into him at the front gate. Later that afternoon as I was walking down the stairs into my living room, a round flies through the front door about 1 foot in front of my face. Then a bunch more started coming through the windows and stuff at me. I hit the ground and crawled to my gun. He was trying to get in the house, but he got too scared once he saw I was armed through a window and ran off. I never got to fire a shot. On the way from his apartment to mine, he had threatened 13 local power company employees with his Mini-14 for looking at him funny. They had called the cops and directed SWAT to his apartment. There was a minor standoff and he surrendered.

It never hit news, and I was never asked to even go to court for it. He was sentenced to 13 months and I think only did like 7. He was originally charged with 13 counts of agg assault, possession of a firearm during commission of a felony, possession of marijuana, felon in possession of a firearm.

Like I said earlier, I was definitely in the wrong for fighting the guy earlier. I was young and stupid, but he dumped half a mag into my apartment at like 3:00 pm on a weekday in a neighborhood. After the shooting, I went into the apartment behind me to make sure everyone was OK, and some of his rounds had gone through my walls into their living room and they never even knew until they looked.

I learned a few things from that.

1. Don't fight people on the street. It can lead to gun violence and it's not worth it.
2. The police aren't going to save you. My weapon saved me. Police took 30 minutes to get there, and I lived in midtown of a major US city.
3. Don't loan money you expect to see returned to you.

As far as any news links, if you could find it I'd be surprised. The local newspaper had it in their blotter vaguely, but they only mentioned the guy threatening the power employees. They didn't mention the fact that he continued on to my house to shoot at me.

 

[SMEAC]

Dude I've served in combat serving in the Marine Corps infantry. I assure you that a standard $800 AR is every bit as deadly as the M4s and M16s we had in our squad. The three round burst is almost never used. It's near impossible to keep on target at distance and it's a waste of rounds. We fire in hammer pairs. 2 controlled squeezes of the trigger. It is exactly the same for the military and civilian model. If a rifle squad needs to supress a target they will either let their squad machinegun have a go, or they'll just fire a bunch of individual rounds at the target. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use the three round burst outside of training.

The mass murder rate I'd like us to get to? None would be the number I'd like to see. Who would want anything other than that? The real world isn't ever going to see that. I'm not afraid of radical Muslims. I'm afraid of radical Muslims with high capacity firearms in a gun free zone. Without a high capacity firearm it's much less likely that casualty numbers will be so high in attacks. I just think America really has two options with this. We can continue to allow people to own weapons like that and have attacks, or we can make drastic changes.

I believe in the right to defend yourself. I've been shot at and the police didn't save me. I saved me. They showed up 30 minutes later to clean up the mess. There's just no way to stop these lone wolf psychos in our current situation. Anyone with $2000 and no criminal record can arm themselves like a soldier in combat in the morning and go wreck some club later that same night. I just don't see 21st century America putting up with that.

American adults want their kids to be safe from gun violence more than they think we need to be armed to the teeth in case America is going to turn tyrannical.

As far as police go,I can see why their SWAT and special task forces need high powered weapons. I don't think the everyday beat cop should be walking around like John Basilone on Guadalcanal.

First, no $800 AR is near what you were using in the Corps

Second, almost never is not the same thing as never. Also, you seem to be lacking in schooling on picking up the suppressive fire when a belt fed goes down if you do not see the use of burst. Never mind that everyone is going to full auto M4s across the services.

Lastly, get off the internet if you don't think the Bill of Rights applies to 21st century shit

 

[usmctanker242]

First, no $800 AR is near what you were using in the Corps

Second, almost never is not the same thing as never. Also, you seem to be lacking in schooling on picking up the suppressive fire when a belt fed goes down if you do not see the use of burst. Never mind that everyone is going to full auto M4s across the services.

Lastly, get off the internet if you don't think the Bill of Rights applies to 21st century shit

I had to look this up as I had no idea they were actually transitioning to full-auto M4s.. but holy shit they sure are. I never, not once, was allowed to fire my M16A2/A4 on Burst. haha We never did it in training... it was always "hammered pairs" and "controlled pairs." And in combat I never once saw the need... but I was a tanker so I rarely ever used a rifle anyway... our personal weapon was the M9 and again, I had an Abrams. haha

 

[DoomPatrol]

First, no $800 AR is near what you were using in the Corps

Second, almost never is not the same thing as never. Also, you seem to be lacking in schooling on picking up the suppressive fire when a belt fed goes down if you do not see the use of burst. Never mind that everyone is going to full auto M4s across the services.

Lastly, get off the internet if you don't think the Bill of Rights applies to 21st century shit

Are you serious? There are plenty of great ARs on the market for $800 that are just as good as what we used. Spend $1500 and you can have better.

Second. Almost never is pretty much the same as never. When the belt fed goes down, the rest of the squad can pick up the slack with individual controlled shots. You can fire off rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's perfectly effective suppression in the event of a down machine gun. Burst isn't doing shit but wasting rounds.

If you think a document written 200 years ago is perfect, then why did they give us the ability to make changes to it? Amendments are called amendments for a reason. They are there to be changed as society changes. That's why the original bill of rights didn't give two mother fucks about slavery, women voting, poll taxes, et cetera. So stop pretending like these documents are infallible. They were written by men who had no idea what our world would be like today, and allowed for change.

 

[usmctanker242]

Are you serious? There are plenty of great ARs on the market for $800 that are just as good as what we used. Spend $1500 and you can have better.

Second. Almost never is pretty much the same as never. When the belt fed goes down, the rest of the squad can pick up the slack with individual controlled shots. You can fire off rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's perfectly effective suppression in the event of a down machine gun. Burst isn't doing shit but wasting rounds.

If you think a document written 200 years ago is perfect, then why did they give us the ability to make changes to it? Amendments are called amendments for a reason. They are there to be changed as society changes. That's why the original bill of rights didn't give two mother fucks about slavery, women voting, poll taxes, et cetera. So stop pretending like these documents are infallible. They were written by men who had no idea what our world would be like today, and allowed for change.

You have to remember that back in those days, every single male citizen was armed. Most of them had weapons which were on par with what the military had... even after the Army was stood up, the citizens had similar weapons. The idea behind the 2nd amendment was that no US citizen should ever fear an overtaking by the government... so if the government has M4's, the people should have a weapon of similar or exact capabilities. While it's obvious that weapons technology has grown by leaps and bounds, the reality that a government could rise against its citizens has not gone away... the Nazi's are a perfect god damned example.

Again, regardless though, rifles are not an issue. FBI stats said less than 250 murders were committed with them in 2014... think about that for a second. This shows, as everyone has said, that rifles and "assault weapons" aren't an issue. The issue is with lunatics and monsters, not the weapons.

 

[SMEAC]

Are you serious? There are plenty of great ARs on the market for $800 that are just as good as what we used. Spend $1500 and you can have better.

Second. Almost never is pretty much the same as never. When the belt fed goes down, the rest of the squad can pick up the slack with individual controlled shots. You can fire off rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's perfectly effective suppression in the event of a down machine gun. Burst isn't doing shit but wasting rounds.

If you think a document written 200 years ago is perfect, then why did they give us the ability to make changes to it? Amendments are called amendments for a reason. They are there to be changed as society changes. That's why the original bill of rights didn't give two mother fucks about slavery, women voting, poll taxes, et cetera. So stop pretending like these documents are infallible. They were written by men who had no idea what our world would be like today, and allowed for change.

You clearly do not know firearms as well as you think you do, a trend, if you think that 800 bucks is getting you near an FN M16A4 or Colt M4. Never mind the addition of the furniture and optics and lasers.

I'm sorry that you lack training but glad that you managed to get by with what you had.

Amend that shit than, see how it goes

 

[SMEAC]

I had to look this up as I had no idea they were actually transitioning to full-auto M4s.. but holy shit they sure are. I never, not once, was allowed to fire my M16A2/A4 on Burst. haha We never did it in training... it was always "hammered pairs" and "controlled pairs." And in combat I never once saw the need... but I was a tanker so I rarely ever used a rifle anyway... our personal weapon was the M9 and again, I had an Abrams. haha

Many lessons have been learned since 2001 and training has evolved

 

[usmctanker242]

Many lessons have been learned since 2001 and training has evolved

I got out in 2009 and still nobody was doing "burst-fire" training... at least not that I was aware of. I had plenty of grunt buddies and nobody was talking about it. EMP was still teaching the hammered/controlled pairs.

Whatever though... if that's what they are doing now, fair enough. I'd love to shoot a full-auto M4.. probably a lot like the SAW though.

 

[SMEAC]

I got out in 2009 and still nobody was doing "burst-fire" training... at least not that I was aware of. I had plenty of grunt buddies and nobody was talking about it. EMP was still teaching the hammered/controlled pairs.

Whatever though... if that's what they are doing now, fair enough. I'd love to shoot a full-auto M4.. probably a lot like the SAW though.

It wouldn't have very much place in whatever initialism you want to use for close in, it would be more towards fire and maneuver. Unless you were doing some kind of nonstandard response in close

Edited to add: I'm not saying I like 3 rd burst, and will be happy to see it gone, but you must know how to use all tools in your toolbox and make best use of what you have.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I got out in 2009 and still nobody was doing "burst-fire" training... at least not that I was aware of. I had plenty of grunt buddies and nobody was talking about it. EMP was still teaching the hammered/controlled pairs.

Good to know that pairs are the way to go. I should be getting this trigger installed soon. It fires a round when you pull and one when you let go.


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The revolutionary Binary Firing System™ will be appreciated by three gun competitors, tactical shooters, and recreational enthusiasts. It features a three position selector that allows the user to switch from Mode 1 for Safe, Mode 2 for traditional Semiautomatic Mode, or Mode 3 for Binary Mode. In Binary Mode, the firearm will discharge one round with every function of the trigger whether a pull or a release. A user can negate the round that would otherwise be fired during the release function by simply moving the selector back to Mode 2 and then safely releasing the trigger.

 

[D Train]

That's why I included my last sentence. If we banned all guns, people would simply use knives and machetes.




Yep. I actually like what Bill O'Reilly said the other day regarding turning all gun crime into federal crimes with mandatory minimums. I think that would drastically change the situation when people know that using a gun in a robbery will give them a guaranteed 10 year bid.

I was shot at 17 times by a home intruder. The first round went about a foot in front of my face. The guy who shot at me only got 13 months and he was a felon in possession with drugs in his house. They had SWAT pull him out of his house. I don't have PTSD from that. I never claimed to. Then people wonder why gun crime is so common. People don't get punished for it.

I'm not for more gun control laws, but I'm DEFINITELY for harsher punishments for gun related crimes.
I served on a grand jury once and heard evidence for dozens of cases involving firearms (only one with a rifle, btw) and I was always pushing for the charges to be upgraded.
The one with AK, I got pushed from reckless endangerment to attempted murder.

 

[usmctanker242]

Good to know that pairs are the way to go. I should be getting this trigger installed soon. It fires a round when you pull and one when you let go.


http://franklin-armory.myshopify.com/collections/triggers/products/binary-firing-system-trigger-pack

Damn, I've never seen this before. As I said, I was a tanker, so outside of annual qualification I never really used a rifle. We had one one on the tank... but no point in using it. But we did have the EMP (Enhanced Marksmanship Program) and they taught pairs as basically the go to techniques.

That binary firing mode sounds cool though... right on.

 

[spamking]

I'd like to see full background checks
and
No fly = No buy

The no fly list is worthless for determining if a person is a prohibited purchaser or not. Until is has due process for getting on it and off of it it should NOT be used as you're suggesting.

 

[Hearse Lightning]

It was pretty ridiculous, and I definitely hold some fault for it.

Backstory is neighborhood punk borrowed money from my girlfriend. Like $20, not really shit. He jerked her around on paying her back and eventually started running his mouth at her, calling her all sorts of names and stuff. I stepped in at that point and he confronted me in the neighborhood and pointed a pocket pistol at my face. I ended up kicking his ass for that a few days later when I ran into him at the front gate. Later that afternoon as I was walking down the stairs into my living room, a round flies through the front door about 1 foot in front of my face. Then a bunch more started coming through the windows and stuff at me. I hit the ground and crawled to my gun. He was trying to get in the house, but he got too scared once he saw I was armed through a window and ran off. I never got to fire a shot. On the way from his apartment to mine, he had threatened 13 local power company employees with his Mini-14 for looking at him funny. They had called the cops and directed SWAT to his apartment. There was a minor standoff and he surrendered.

It never hit news, and I was never asked to even go to court for it. He was sentenced to 13 months and I think only did like 7. He was originally charged with 13 counts of agg assault, possession of a firearm during commission of a felony, possession of marijuana, felon in possession of a firearm.

Like I said earlier, I was definitely in the wrong for fighting the guy earlier. I was young and stupid, but he dumped half a mag into my apartment at like 3:00 pm on a weekday in a neighborhood. After the shooting, I went into the apartment behind me to make sure everyone was OK, and some of his rounds had gone through my walls into their living room and they never even knew until they looked.

I learned a few things from that.

1. Don't fight people on the street. It can lead to gun violence and it's not worth it.
2. The police aren't going to save you. My weapon saved me. Police took 30 minutes to get there, and I lived in midtown of a major US city.
3. Don't loan money you expect to see returned to you.

As far as any news links, if you could find it I'd be surprised. The local newspaper had it in their blotter vaguely, but they only mentioned the guy threatening the power employees. They didn't mention the fact that he continued on to my house to shoot at me.

Pics or I call werk.

 

[spamking]

I'm actually looking to buy an AK (maybe for my birthday...) Either that or a new video card for my gaming P.C....

Go with the AK . . .

 

[spamking]

I'm not for more gun control laws, but I'm DEFINITELY for harsher punishments for gun related crimes.
I served on a grand jury once and heard evidence for dozens of cases involving firearms (only one with a rifle, btw) and I was always pushing for the charges to be upgraded.
The one with AK, I got pushed from reckless endangerment to attempted murder.

Definitely should punish gun crimes more than "we" are now.

 

[HYBRID_CFC]

I don't see where you provided proof. You posted a picture and a random quote. It's rather hard to identify the weapon he's holding. It could be an automatic. Can't tell from the exterior. I'm sure there's a dumbass or two that can't tell the difference, but 80% of these people understand the AR platform is primarily semi automatic. It's the capacity and rate of fire that's an issue.

There were around 13,500 gun deaths in 2015. That's a huge problem.

I love mouthbreathers like you. It is pretty clear you have no experience with firearms and you are just repeating all the false propaganda that you hear from the news without doing any real research into anything you say.

Go do yourself a favor and check out all the "gun deaths" stats over at the FBI's website.

Out of 13,500, 2/3 were gang related or drug related. That's 9,000 criminals dead by the hands of other criminals. No other 1st world country in the world has to contend with that. Now you are left with 4,500 deaths. For a country of 320,000,000 people, with 180,000,000 firearms in circulation, that's 1.3 in 1,000,000 people. That's a gun violence epidemic? No, that means unless you are a criminal or involve yourself around or within criminal activity, you have less of a chance by killed by a firearm than some Euro 1st world countries.

Let's look at these scary, evil, killy weapons of war that you seem to wet your pants over. In 2015, long rifles (not just pee your pants rifles like you are scared off) accounted for 250 deaths...such death...much epidemic.

The only reason why AR15 or other EBRs get top priority because it is an easy knee jerk reaction topic for politicians to use to easily dupe their uninformed constitutes (AKA YOU!) for support.

oh noes...just because it looks scary and black and killy it just might be automatic! OMGZZZZ...you know whatelse?

this could also possibly be automatic...

but by your standards, it doesn't look evil...so no nevermind...

How about this one? Automatic? It's more killy looking than the rifle above...so it has a chance of maybe being half automatic?

Rate of fire...you mean one pull of the trigger = one cartridge expended? Like every semi automatic rifle in the world? Capacity...you mean 30 rounds to a magazine which is normal capacity?

 

[HYBRID_CFC]

Definitely should punish gun crimes more than "we" are now.

Here is Massachusetts, you have more of a chance serving a more lenient sentence if you are a 4 time violent felon than a law abiding citizen being involved in a self defense shooting outside of the home.

 

[J. Bernie Cunningham]

One of the issues I truly find myself in the middle on. There's a reason we should be armed, to balance the power between citiezens and governments, but unless everyone gets a predator drone and chemical weapons that balance is waaaayy gone. And it's hard to consider my brother or cousin 'the government' even though in today's terms they would be.

The idea of a government not bound to its citizens is scary but we've been there for awhile. Is holding to that ideal that we have to ensure it should, for the sake of the worst case scenario, worth the insanity we see with large shootings? Part of me says no but its competing with the part of me that sees a worst case scenario developing.

 

[wandiswar]

No, fuck that pussy shit.

People who need guns are pussies.