Crime Should these 11 year olds be charged as adults?

[TrueBias]

Cant see the vid so cant comment, but "tried as adult" always baffle me.

Does it mean their sentence starts in juvy then carries on into prison once they become 18? Or do they get sent straight to prison with the adults for the whole sentenced time?

 

[fingercuffs]

I never understood how the 'charge them as an adult' stuff had any legal standing. Either you're an adult or you're not. The stuff government gets away with is comical. And I'm someone who thinks minors should get stiff punishments for heinous crimes, but they have to change the laws to be consistent.

Indeed. It's so shaky. You're 18, you're an adult, under then you're a minor. Why is there a grey line?

 

[fingercuffs]

Cant see the vid so cant comment, but "tried as adult" always baffle me.

Does it mean their sentence starts in juvy then carries on into prison once they become 18? Or do they get sent straight to prison with the adults for the whole sentenced time?

Or does it mean they can be given the death sentence like an adult?

 

[Satanical Eve]

Kids are are more likely to do this shit than even in Mexico because they know the penalty will be severe, either with the justice system or by mob justice. Kids here steal cars and use them to break into businesses to steal and just to cause mayhem, run people over, etc... because the penalty is very light compared to the countries where their parents came from

That guy Vitaly is a perfect example

Vitaly is fucked right now. He was transferred to jail from the immigration detention center in the Philippines after being arrested there for harassing people during his livestreams. The country has made an example of him to let all other IRL streamers know if they pull the same shit he does they are going to jail. He is facing up to 35 years in prison

 

[lowlife]

No need to charge them as adults, just charge them as the juveniles they are but keep the same sentencing structure. When they turn 18 they can be reevaluated for transfer to adult prison to serve the remainder of their sentence, with parole options depending on specific factors including rehabilitation proven over time. No slaps on the wrist though just because they're young, that only exacerbates the problem.

 

[WhiteMousse]

I think we need to be very careful about how and when we suspend exemption from juvenile court, but I think there are absolutely times to do that and this is one of them. Life without parole. They had absolutely no remorse whatsoever. They ran him over and laughed. And they didn't just murder someone-- they ruined the lives of those connected to him and eliminated a contributor to society. The 13 year old and 15 year old had already had their phones seized for another charge.

 

[ssBaldy]

They're not even teens, literally

But the crime they commited is pretty serious

Do you think they should be charged as adults or spend a few years in juvie and be rehabilitated?

they need to be aborted, no matter if it is 11 years too late.

 

[Jeffy37]

They're not even teens, literally

But the crime they commited is pretty serious

Do you think they should be charged as adults or spend a few years in juvie and be rehabilitated?

If you murder someone at any age I think you know what you are doing. Maybe a lesser sentence and some kind of rehab if you under 18?

 

[Brampton_Boy]

it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.

It wasn't a woman, it was a man in his early 60s (not that it makes a difference).

The two 15 year olds are going to be charged as adults. The 13 year old gets out at 21, and the 11 year old's situation is unknown.

The parents of these kids are all such scumbags. Listening to the mom defend their son after the detective showed them video of him committing the crime is revolting.

PS: EWU is one of the best channels on YouTube for those interested in true crime.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

It wasn't a woman, it was a man in his early 60s (not that it makes a difference).

The two 15 year olds are going to be charged as adults. The 13 year old gets out at 21, and the 11 year old's situation is unknown.

The parents of these kids are all such scumbags. Listening to the mom defend their son after the detective showed them video of him committing the crime is revolting.

PS: EWU is one of the best channels on YouTube for those interested in true crime.

yeah i noticed after and apologized. yeah EWU is great. especially in JCS's absence. there's a lot of great true crime content out there.

 

[scoopj]

it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.

It was a man they killed, just so you know.

 

[scoopj]

it was a dude, the first caller thought the victim was a woman, but his name was Scott Habermehl.


I'm not in favor of trying kids as adults, but shit like this makes my monkey brain go wild

The guy you're quoting has the attention span of a flea off his meds. He probably watched the first 10 seconds.

 

[Crazy Source]

If you murder someone at any age I think you know what you are doing. Maybe a lesser sentence and some kind of rehab if you under 18?

That's how it works now in the U.S. What is on the table is trying them as adults or at least handing down sentences as harsh as adults get.

 

[Jeffy37]

That's how it works now in the U.S. What is on the table is trying them as adults or at least handing down sentences as harsh as adults get.

16 or older depending on the crime probably should be tried as adult. You can get license at 16 so I think you know what you are doing. Below that age I don't know

 

[Crazy Source]

16 or older depending on the crime probably should be tried as adult. You can get license at 16 so I think you know what you are doing. Below that age I don't know

I've seen cases in the U.S. where they basically take a 'tard and try him as an adult when they are 16-17. That gets into being able to understand the charges and being competent. The kids we are talking about in this thread? I'm reminded of a movie scene............

 

[nostradumbass]

Yes. It's fine to charge juveniles as juveniles for general mischief or property crimes, but giving a license to kill for anybody under 18 is the worst idea I've ever heard.

 

[oldshadow]

Can't see the video but I take it they ran him over with a car.

Whom ever was driving should be tried as an adult and get life with no parole.

The rest depends on their involvement should be tried as adults .

 

[Hdfi]

Do to them what they did to the victim.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Rehabilitation until they're 18 is the answer. Upon their release, tell them it's just a prank and shoot them in the head.

In front of their families.

 

[Crazy Source]

Can't see the video but I take it they ran him over with a car.

Whom ever was driving should be tried as an adult and get life with no parole.

The rest depends on their involvement should be tried as adults .

They were all cheering the shit. I'm in a vengeful kinda mood. If people do that to someone I love, I will make it a mission to see those people .

That is, I would like to "feed" them. Make sure they are OK.