Shingitai Jujitsu vs BJJ

Everyone in this thread needs to remember that:

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Gentlemen;

1. Shingitai Jujitsu has been around for a good many years. It has been here long before the Gracies came along.

2. There is a reason why the John Saylor vs Rorion Gracie fight was not shown on the Gracie in Action video.

3. John Saylor and Steve Scott are legitimate coaches that have trained world champions in Judo, Sambo, and many MMA champions.

4. In open events, and no gi events, the Shingitai guys have done very well against BJJ/GJJ people. Including the local GJJ school in Michigan who had Royce Gracie himself there to coach them.

Nut ridding is the internet norm I guess. Still this BJJ/GJJ superman thing was dead and disproven years ago, for it still to be claimed at truth just baffles me.

Check it out, and train where you feel best. I have been involved with John and his people for over 15 years, and all of them are highly skilled people with outstanding coaching skills.

Mark Tripp
 
Marktripp said:
Gentlemen;

1. Shingitai Jujitsu has been around for a good many years. It has been here long before the Gracies came along.

Mark Tripp
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Mark, this point is false. From Shingitai's own web site, Saylor didn't start teaching Shingitai until around 1989. And he didn't organize it into an association until around 1993 - after the UFC. However, the Gracies have been teaching since before Sambo was even created. They were teaching in America since the late 70s/early 80s too IIRC.
 
This could go on for ever...... We are all Jujitsu artist That is what is important ..... I promote Shingitai but I have all the Gracies books and go to Submissions 101 every day..... It is all the same.... Shingitai trains more throwing ( Judo ) than BJJ but in return that would mean BJJ trains more ground fighting ( its just a time thing ) .... If I train on Judo throws for 1/2 hr and you only train for 1/4 an hr than you have 1/4 an hr more to work on the ground..... multiply that by years of training yes BJJ artist you may excell in ground fighting but we all learn the same techniques.....
 
Now if you want to debate something.... you could ask a korean stylist why would he waist his time in a useless art..
 
perfweapon33 said:
This could go on for ever...... We are all Jujitsu artist That is what is important ..... I promote Shingitai but I have all the Gracies books and go to Submissions 101 every day..... It is all the same.... Shingitai trains more throwing ( Judo ) than BJJ but in return that would mean BJJ trains more ground fighting ( its just a time thing ) .... If I train on Judo throws for 1/2 hr and you only train for 1/4 an hr than you have 1/4 an hr more to work on the ground..... multiply that by years of training yes BJJ artist you may excell in ground fighting but we all learn the same techniques.....
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Um, I would think you weren't trolling if you didn't mention Submissions 101. However, do you read the other threads in this forum?
 
Personally I love Jujitsu / Judo / and Sambo ... I try to research as much material as I can.. If money was not an issue I would train in every grappling system available to me.. I would be divorsed , but trained well ...... The only reason I chose Shingitai not long ago is it was half the price of BJJ.. Closer to me, and was recommended by a freind... I have all the respect in the world for BJJ and the gracies....
 
I spent years training in Chinese Kenpo earning a 4th degree black belt.. I always thought I could handle myself in any situation.. On day a Shootfighter enrolled in our school.. He was sharinghis thoughts and theories with us.. In a randori type situation he shot in with a double leg take down ended in my gaured.. He grabbed my wrist and before i new I was in trouble he had me in a cross body arm lock..... I knew at that point I needed to forget about my ego and except that a good grappler could take me down with very little effort.... I studied Shootfighting for a few months but he moved away and recommended me to Shingitai were he also studied the system...
 
Just a question... Why does bbj not teach to many throws... From what i have experienced a throw or takedown could end a street fight in a split second........
 
perfweapon33 said:
Just a question... Why does bbj not teach to many throws... From what i have experienced a throw or takedown could end a street fight in a split second........
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not that you actually read anyone's replies, but BJJ does teach many throws and you'd know this if you knew anything about BJJ... which you don't, so stop spamming.
 
thats enough .. i am out of here... I wanted some info about BJJ but I guess egoville was the wrong place to come..... just remember when you are beat in your bout dont be suprised if the other guy is wering a Shingitai shirt....
 
After carefully researching the available Judo/Jujitsu offerings in the area (Kansas City), I'm planning to pick up classes with the Welcome Mat Club next month. I'd be more than happy to post a review of the facility from the eyes of beginner after the first session. From everything I've heard so far, there's been nothing but positive remarks about the club and the high quality coaching. This is a school that was started by legitimate grappling champions. I'm not sure how McDojo is being defined, but this isn't a glitzy fly-by-night group charging highway robbery fees and pushing shady contracts.

I want to also try out BJJ as well, but what concerns me is that we've got clubs opening up that are run by blue belts and the vast majority of folks training are white belts. I don't know how one can pick up solid skills when the instruction is lacking depth. It also opens up the greater possibility for getting injured by noobs trying to pull stunts they saw on TV. With Gracie teaching certificates being handed out after seminars and a Gracie University offering belts online, ISTM that BJJ is the likelier victim these days of falling into Tae Kwon Doesque McDojery. It's like every other guy and his grandmother claims to be doing BJJ these days.
 
Autumn Monkey said:
After carefully researching the available Judo/Jujitsu offerings in the area (Kansas City), I'm planning to pick up classes with the Welcome Mat Club next month. I'd be more than happy to post a review of the facility from the eyes of beginner after the first session. From everything I've heard so far, there's been nothing but positive remarks about the club and the high quality coaching. This is a school that was started by legitimate grappling champions. I'm not sure how McDojo is being defined, but this isn't a glitzy fly-by-night group charging highway robbery fees and pushing shady contracts.

I want to also try out BJJ as well, but what concerns me is that we've got clubs opening up that are run by blue belts and the vast majority of folks training are white belts. I don't know how one can pick up solid skills when the instruction is lacking depth. It also opens up the greater possibility for getting injured by noobs trying to pull stunts they saw on TV. With Gracie teaching certificates being handed out after seminars and a Gracie University offering belts online, ISTM that BJJ is the likelier victim these days of falling into Tae Kwon Doesque McDojery. It's like every other guy and his grandmother claims to be doing BJJ these days.
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I don't think BJJ is there yet. But you also got to understand that rank doesn't mean you aren't a good competitor or instructor. My first instructors were white and blue belts, and I progressed fine.
 
perfweapon33 said:
thats enough .. i am out of here... I wanted some info about BJJ but I guess egoville was the wrong place to come..... just remember when you are beat in your bout dont be suprised if the other guy is wering a Shingitai shirt....
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shut the fuck up moron. all you wanted to do is spam your uneducated point of view and ignore everything. you didn't have one post that wasn't a pointless, shameless plug of shingtai while bumping this ridiculous thread.
 
You ask whether Shingitai Jujitus is better than Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?

Well, for about 16 years now, Shingitai Jujitsu has proven itself over and over again as one of the fundamental martial arts forms in the UFC's crucible known as "The Octagon".

Oh wait. Is that right?
 
Autumn Monkey said:
After carefully researching the available Judo/Jujitsu offerings in the area (Kansas City), I'm planning to pick up classes with the Welcome Mat Club next month. I'd be more than happy to post a review of the facility from the eyes of beginner after the first session. From everything I've heard so far, there's been nothing but positive remarks about the club and the high quality coaching. This is a school that was started by legitimate grappling champions. I'm not sure how McDojo is being defined, but this isn't a glitzy fly-by-night group charging highway robbery fees and pushing shady contracts.
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I think you'll like Welcome Mat. If that doesn't suit you dop me a PM and I'll reccomend some BJJ schools in the area as well.
 
is it just me, or does it seem like several of the posters in this thread are actually the same person, spamming and shilling this "Shingitai jitsu" system?


sockpuppets FTW!
 
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