Shingitai Jujitsu vs BJJ

to live and breath your art is great... to think that it is the best and that you can not be defeated is a weakness...
 
yes bjj is effective.... and it is a great system for self defense and m.m.a , but not everyone has access to it..
 
perfweapon33 said:
I have been in traditional martial arts for over 15 years ( yes I know that is still a beginner ) I saw a need for throwing and grappling to become a complete self defense fighter.Shingitai is just what I was searching for... I would never disrespect BJJ I just want people to understand and know there are options if a BJJ school is not available ..... Shingitai Jujitsu has been around for over 20 years just not to many people are aware of it.......... The Gracies are just better promoters of their system...
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I don't really think 15 years of experience in the martial arts is a beginner.

Anyway, I am not doubting that Shingitai Jujitsu is a good system. I don't personally know much about it, but I do know that there are lots of systems out there besides BJJ that are effective.

My sarcasm comes from the fact that I don't think it is necessary to keep bumping this thread every month to remind everyone how awesome you think Shingitai Jujitsu is. The initial thread was enough, and you should just probably let it go now.

I think everyone here realizes now that Shingitai Jujitsu is out there and could be a fine alternative to BJJ. Let's just leave it at that.
 
jerryseinfeld said:
lol after you've used your style to defeat guys twice your weight and strength, then come back and say bjj's popularity is due to 'promotion'. it's effective thats why people train it.
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To be fair, he has a point, the early UFCs were designed to promote Gracie BJJ. And they did a damn good job of it. "Promotion" leads to more people training it, which leads to evolution as new ideas are put forth.
 
Thrawn33 said:
To be fair, he has a point, the early UFCs were designed to promote Gracie BJJ. And they did a damn good job of it. "Promotion" leads to more people training it, which leads to evolution as new ideas are put forth.
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technically yes, but the promotion only worked because it was effective. If a karate dude had won repeatedly I think the martial arts landscape would look a lot differently (or, as it were...very much the same as it did back then)
 
Thrawn33 said:
To be fair, he has a point, the early UFCs were designed to promote Gracie BJJ. And they did a damn good job of it. "Promotion" leads to more people training it, which leads to evolution as new ideas are put forth.
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yes the ufc was designed to promote ufc but they also brought in the best fighter in the world at the time in ken shamrock. Who i ask, had more mma experience than ken shamrock in the world? Not Royce that's for sure.
 
Shingitai jiujitsu seemed kind of mcdojo'ish to me. I went to a class (I have 5 years of BJJ now) and in my opinion it lacked practical techniques and no alive training. Plus much of the class was spent chatting sitting on yoga balls.
 
I think everyone's looking too much into that "Shingitai" name. It's ridiculously popular to "create" form of martial arts (particularly that include the term "Jiu-Jitsu" at the end) these days.

The head instructor claims to have a lot of experience in Judo and SAMBO. Those are definitely proven arts, so if he's not lying, he can obviously teach you something about grappling.
 
brollikk said:
Shingitai jiujitsu seemed kind of mcdojo'ish to me. I went to a class (I have 5 years of BJJ now) and in my opinion it lacked practical techniques and no alive training. Plus much of the class was spent chatting sitting on yoga balls.
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I've never spent any class time chatting on yoga balls and have always had live sparring in class. Shingitai is like any other school with branches some are good some are not so good. In the same areas of Ks and MO that Shingitai schools are is another system American Jiuitsu (Rob Kimmons and Herb Dean came out of that school for refernce). And I'm sure around the country are even more smaller regional systems that are effective and worth wild to study and others that aren't. Its up to the people attending the classes to determine if it is what they want to do.
 
so who can recommend some good instructional dvd's on b.j.j ... My wife is aking me for my christmas list....
 
I've been training Shingitai Jujitsu in Pennsauken NJ under Sean Daugherty for about seven months now. We're a small school but we're growing because when we compete, we dominate. In a competition in Camden this past September we had wins over guys from much larger and more popular BJJ schools and it took off from there. Shingitai is not superior to BJJ and vise versa. But it offers techniques which people are not learning in cookie cutter bjj classes, which gives us an advantage in competition at least until it becomes as widely known as BJJ. Shingitai is not even necessarily a style, its a mindset or a philosophy of open mindedness to all techniques and styles. We use what works and discard what doesn't.

I don't know about other Shingitai schools but we roll live almost every class.
 
The Viper said:
am going to start traing shingitai and was just curiouse to what you thought of this form of jujitsu and does anyone do this type of jusjitsu and were thanks.
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Since it seems heavily Judo based it probably won't be as bad as most Japanese Jujutsu schools as long as they do live training.


But just for the record:

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is that supposed to be how a grandmaster does an RNC?
 
BisonStorm said:
I've been training Shingitai Jujitsu in Pennsauken NJ under Sean Daugherty for about seven months now. We're a small school but we're growing because when we compete, we dominate. In a competition in Camden this past September we had wins over guys from much larger and more popular BJJ schools and it took off from there. Shingitai is not superior to BJJ and vise versa. But it offers techniques which people are not learning in cookie cutter bjj classes, which gives us an advantage in competition at least until it becomes as widely known as BJJ. Shingitai is not even necessarily a style, its a mindset or a philosophy of open mindedness to all techniques and styles. We use what works and discard what doesn't.

I don't know about other Shingitai schools but we roll live almost every class.
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what tournaments have you dominanated?

I compete in NJ all the time and never saw any Shingtai Jujitsu guys ripping it up... ever. Anyway it's extremely easy to verify this claim, so please reply with at least the name or date of the event(s).

thank you
 
Mikey Triangles said:
what tournaments have you dominanated?

I compete in NJ all the time and never saw any Shingtai Jujitsu guys ripping it up... ever. Anyway it's extremely easy to verify this claim, so please reply with at least the name or date of the event(s).

thank you
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We last competed at an event hosted by The Good Fight called "The Battle on the Battleship" in Camden this past September. Four guys competed in different weight classes and we took two 1sts and two 2nds. But there are a lot of other schools that performed well at that event too.

Geewiz men, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. If you are confident in what you do then that's great... enjoy yourself. I'm not saying its the best, only why I chose this over BJJ. Its like arguing if BJJ is better then American Catch Wrestling. Who knows? They are just different approaches.

Someone mentioned "super secret" moves and even put it quotes... Problem is I never typed the words "super" or "secret". Everything our school does and everything eveyone else does is not new, anyone can learn these moves, angles, setups etc. and have been learning them for many years. That being said, if I told you, well, it wouldn't be so "super secret" now would it? If you want to know come join us for a class.
 
BisonStorm said:
I've been training Shingitai Jujitsu in Pennsauken NJ under Sean Daugherty for about seven months now. We're a small school but we're growing because when we compete, we dominate. In a competition in Camden this past September we had wins over guys from much larger and more popular BJJ schools and it took off from there. Shingitai is not superior to BJJ and vise versa. But it offers techniques which people are not learning in cookie cutter bjj classes, which gives us an advantage in competition at least until it becomes as widely known as BJJ. Shingitai is not even necessarily a style, its a mindset or a philosophy of open mindedness to all techniques and styles. We use what works and discard what doesn't.

I don't know about other Shingitai schools but we roll live almost every class.
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What's the difference between Shingitai and BJJ or even JKD? They seem to have identical mindsets if your description is accurate.
 
BisonStorm said:
We last competed at an event hosted by The Good Fight called "The Battle on the Battleship" in Camden this past September. Four guys competed in different weight classes and we took two 1sts and two 2nds. But there are a lot of other schools that performed well at that event too.
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Having 4 people place in one tournament is not domination... in fact, what skill divisions did they do? Would I be correct in the assumption that none of them even competed in the Advanced Division? BTW if you "dominate" a tournament it's generally assumed you're referring to the advanced division; otherwise your just doing well against beginners and that is not impressive or anything to brag about for Shingitai.

With that being said I'm having trouble finding anyone from your Dojo here in the results:

Battleship

did you guys fight under a different team name or something? I looked for Shingitai, SJJ, SJA, your Sensei's name, and anything else I thought seemed plausible off your site, but found nothing even close.


Geewiz men, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. If you are confident in what you do then that's great... enjoy yourself. I'm not saying its the best, only why I chose this over BJJ. Its like arguing if BJJ is better then American Catch Wrestling. Who knows? They are just different approaches.
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you chose this over BJJ? you make it sound as if you have BJJ experience, is this true? BTW 2 weeks is not experience.

Someone mentioned "super secret" moves and even put it quotes... Problem is I never typed the words "super" or "secret". Everything our school does and everything eveyone else does is not new, anyone can learn these moves, angles, setups etc. and have been learning them for many years. That being said, if I told you, well, it wouldn't be so "super secret" now would it? If you want to know come join us for a class.
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here's the thing all TMA schools and even a lot of good judo schools don't get. it's not about the "moves" it's about the set-ups and transitions leading to it.
 
Mikey Triangles said:
Having 4 people place in one tournament is not domination... in fact, what skill divisions did they do? Would I be correct in the assumption that none of them even competed in the Advanced Division? BTW if you "dominate" a tournament it's generally assumed you're referring to the advanced division; otherwise your just doing well against beginners and that is not impressive or anything to brag about for Shingitai.

With that being said I'm having trouble finding anyone from your Dojo here in the results:

Battleship

did you guys fight under a different team name or something? I looked for Shingitai, SJJ, SJA, your Sensei's name, and anything else I thought seemed plausible off your site, but found nothing even close.




you chose this over BJJ? you make it sound as if you have BJJ experience, is this true? BTW 2 weeks is not experience.



here's the thing all TMA schools and even a lot of good judo schools don't get. it's not about the "moves" it's about the set-ups and transitions leading to it.
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Your assumption about our competition skill level would be very wrong. Is BJJ in your school name? Why do you also assume that Shingitai would be in ours? Further, we are just one school. Our other schools due very well in competition as well and when the stars align they even, dare I say it, dominate.

My post was far from bragging. I think you are focusing on one small part of what I wrote. So why so hostile internet guy? There are more important things in life then this great debate. Do we really need to split hairs on my use of the word dominate?

Let me toss this one at ya Mr. Triangle guy: BJJ is the most successful style in martial arts and the grappling circuit. I don't know how I can be any more gracious and respectful to BJJ. Is it so bad that I am proud of my school and am proud of our record? Are you not proud of your school? We have some BJJ guys who are affiliated with some great BJJ schools in Jersey come in and train, we all have a great time and learn from each other. Shingitai is about open mindedness, it is clear to me now that perhaps not everyone in our little community is as well.

Look, you're clearly an intelligent internet guy, I know that your reply is gonna be witty, clever and just really put me in my place; then I'm going to get around to replying to you and we'll go on like that for awhile like a couple of yentas. But we are not yentas, so enter into the Arnold Classic in March and you can compete against some of our guys. I'm going to make the assumption that John Saylor, who founded the grappling portion of the Arnold Classic, would be happy to have someone of your caliber in the event. Beyond that, I don't know what to say. You can take action or type some more.

So go ahead and type some more, go on.
 
BisonStorm said:
Your assumption about our competition skill level would be very wrong. Is BJJ in your school name? Why do you also assume that Shingitai would be in ours? Further, we are just one school. Our other schools due very well in competition as well and when the stars align they even, dare I say it, dominate.

My post was far from bragging. I think you are focusing on one small part of what I wrote. So why so hostile internet guy? There are more important things in life then this great debate. Do we really need to split hairs on my use of the word dominate?

Let me toss this one at ya Mr. Triangle guy: BJJ is the most successful style in martial arts and the grappling circuit. I don't know how I can be any more gracious and respectful to BJJ. Is it so bad that I am proud of my school and am proud of our record? Are you not proud of your school? We have some BJJ guys who are affiliated with some great BJJ schools in Jersey come in and train, we all have a great time and learn from each other. Shingitai is about open mindedness, it is clear to me now that perhaps not everyone in our little community is as well.

Look, you're clearly an intelligent internet guy, I know that your reply is gonna be witty, clever and just really put me in my place; then I'm going to get around to replying to you and we'll go on like that for awhile like a couple of yentas. But we are not yentas, so enter into the Arnold Classic in March and you can compete against some of our guys. I'm going to make the assumption that John Saylor, who founded the grappling portion of the Arnold Classic, would be happy to have someone of your caliber in the event. Beyond that, I don't know what to say. You can take action or type some more.

So go ahead and type some more, go on.
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so what is the name of your school then? you still didn't put it up? Is it Tetushin? that's the only Japanese name I could find in there with 4 medals, but they were all in Teens.

There will be plenty of good guys in the Arnold Classic. If I make it this year I'd probably be Adult Men's 139.9 or 149.9 Advanced, but I moved to Florida and got a 9-5 job, so chances aren't very good.

As for being proud of your school; there is nothing wrong with that, but being full of shit is another story.
 
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