Serena Williams cries "discrimination" over drug testing

[jamel]

Fact is, Serena has a reason to be paranoid.

Tennis has been trying to get rid of here for damn near 20 years. She has been held to higher social standards than her peers which adds to her paranoia.

Is this one of those situations? Most likely not.

Has there been a multiple efforts to remove her from tennis? Absolutely.

Cant forget how Anna Kornicopia was treated for being absolute garbage at the game and praised by american magazines while serena was making the girl cry on the court.

 

[Culombo]

she's like 60 and still dominating and making grand slam finals .. not exactly the norm .. expect to be tested .. ANYBODY who's that age and still this elite will draw attention to being tested .. if you're clean you shouldn't care .. you look even more impressive if comes out negative

 

[Culombo]

Fact is, Serena has a reason to be paranoid.

Tennis has been trying to get rid of here for damn near 20 years. She has been held to higher social standards than her peers which adds to her paranoia.

Is this one of those situations? Most likely not.

Has there been a multiple efforts to remove her from tennis? Absolutely.

Cant forget how Anna Kornicopia was treated for being absolute garbage at the game and praised by american magazines while serena was making the girl cry on the court.

what effort was there to remove her ? serious question .. I'm not aware of this

 

[jamel]

she's like 60 and still dominating and making grand slam finals .. not exactly the norm .. expect to be tested .. ANYBODY who's that age and still this elite will draw attention to being tested .. if you're clean you shouldn't care .. even better for you and the sport when it comes out negative

Ultimately.

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[n...not crazy]

John McEnroe (and to a lesser extent, Jimmy Connors) was beloved for this kind of behavior.

meh.

I don't remember people liking McEnroe for calling judges cocksuckers, but I was young... People actually liked him when he was a dick? Seriously? I remember seeing/feeling crowds of 15,000 in a simultaneous group cringe.

Connors? I never understood why anyone liked him. What a jackass.

God I hated both of these guys. As a child, I always rooted for Ivan Lendl.

 

[Revolver]

Didn't Sharapova get banned a while back for failing a test? Wonder if she's getting tested as much as Serena.

 

[jamel]

what effort was there to remove her ? serious question .. I'm not aware of this

Body shaming
Social shaming
Claiming she was unsportsmanlike for dancing
Seeding issues
McEnroe attacking her
Sports Illustrated misrepresenting Sloane Stephens words and creating a toxic environment for both women.

I grew up watching McEnroe and Agassi, so the publics outrage to any little thing Serena does- does look a bit fucked up, you know?

And I think that is where she is pulling her examples of conduct from.

 

[Madmick]

I'm on that side of the question generally, because this is an old story and it has never been about race, despite some people occasionally trying to make it about that.

What I think could complicate this is if she gets caught and then resorts to calling it racism (or if that becomes the dominant conversation and she goes with it). People who suspected she was implying racism by saying "discrimination?" would then declare that they were right all along when it could really just be a scoundrel's refuge, like Kevin Spacey announcing he was gay, or when somebody who screws up goes to rehab and blames drugs. That still wouldn't be correct. Unless it's made explicitly about race, then it's not about race. Ironically, it's playing identity politics to tie her race to only one interpretation of her comment.

The grand goal of my OP is the exact opposite of racializing this...although it's impossible for me to pull that off, or I have at least botched it. You can't seem to talk about race, or how the subject is treated by different racial groups, without racially polarizing the discussion; ironically even if the purpose of your statement is to advise against racial polarization. My intent is to advise minorities not to fall prey to Serena because she is begging the question.

I think my mistake was in conflating my illumination of Serena's fallacy with advice to a specific racial group-- hers-- not to fall prey to the scheme due to the race of the speaker. I should have separated these two wheels more clearly: the first, to resist racial polarization; the second, to acknowledge that I was racially polarizing the message with its delivery, but with the aim of ultimately serving the first idea. I am trying to help blacks understand better how and why whites have becoming increasingly skeptical to legitimate claims of discrimination-- in the past half decade most acutely.

One thing I'm definitely not being is intellectually dishonest or racist.

They're talking about Henrietta Lacks in her own tweet. I didn't cherry pick the second, either. It was the first tweet string I could find with a Google concerning the topic that wasn't part of Serena's own.

Remember, "Most tennis fans know that Serena has been targeted for her physique for years." That's what Henrietta Lacks is famous for-- the discrimination of her physique.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

 

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[jamel]

In all seriousness, this is interesting. Black athletes do on average do look more muscular and ripped. More muscular and ripped athletes obviously get tested more. I would put good money that black athletes do get tested more because of that. Not because they're black, but because they're on average more muscular and ripped -- but a good lawyer is a good lawyer. I always wondered if there's an out there like athletes using the tainted supplements excuse.

I'm willing to bet if most "white" athletes tanned or used tanning lotions and sprays, this would not even be an issue.
As damn near everybody would have similar physiques.

I know i aint the only one that see's these female tennis players with traps and delts popping and peaking.
I cant be.

 

[jamel]

Serena is wrong for trying to make this a racial issue.

Discrimination is at play, but it obviously aint racial.

Someone has it out for her, and that is how she should be approaching it.

Race and gender is not the issue, her success is.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

The black community should treat this with greater hostility than any other. This blatant attempt to exploit the very real history of white racism, and appeal to those who are constantly suspicious of it even when they cannot prove it, due to that history, is the cry of wolf that deafens white ears to valid sociopolitical grievances.

Don't tell me this is an isolated incident or an outlier. It's been happening over and over and over the past several years. This is a constant threat. You will always have to internally police it. Many people in your community will repeatedly attempt to exploit what is real for personal gain, and it cheapens the cause.

Serena Williams feels singled out in tennis' drug testing


...then attempts to hedge after throwing our her troll pleading for sympathy by pandering to race fears...



Hmmm, that's funny, Serena, why do you think the anti-doping authorities might be hawking you a bit more closely than the rest? Think it might have something to do with you pulling a Lance Armstrong?
Report: Serena locks self in panic room


I noticed that happened around the time they weren't testing you! Maybe your character has been established, and they understand now how to keep you honest. On your own, you're not.


To the black community from a white friend: please, don't let this go unchecked and unpunished. You have to stigmatize this strategy of exploitation.

Otherwise, even the noble might not come when you call for help. They won't believe you.

She's a fraud and has always been pampered in a pampered sport. Overly emotional, hater using her skin color to justify her hate for others.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

met her a couple of times. now, i am a big guy, 6'1, about 250 lbs. that said, she is fucking huge. feels like her back is a big as mine and she looked gigantic next to bouchard. this was a few years ago. i cant understand how a woman can get so damn muscular without peds. she was wearing a white dress, quite short, and her quads were legit bigger than mine.

anecdotal stuff to support my totally unprofessional opinion that she is was and will be juiced to the gills.

 

[Fawlty]

The triumphalism in the OP is pretty ham-fisted and paternalistic, paticularly since TS has made a series of recent appeals against this very same type of predatory morality he so despises in people like Mike Cernovitch who uses smashmouth activism towards their own cynical ends.

Will reply more later but I don't think that was the intent. It's complicated.

 

[jamel]

The grand goal of my OP is the exact opposite of racializing this...although it's impossible for me to pull that off, or I have at least botched it. You can't seem to talk about race, or how the subject is treated by different racial groups, without racially polarizing the discussion; ironically even if the purpose of your statement is to advise against racial polarization. My intent is to advise minorities not to fall prey to Serena because she is begging the question.

I think my mistake was in conflating my illumination of Serena's fallacy with advice to a specific racial group-- hers-- not to fall prey to the scheme due to the race of the speaker. I should have separated these two wheels more clearly: the first, to resist racial polarization; the second, to acknowledge that I was racially polarizing the message with its delivery, but with the aim of ultimately serving the first idea. I am trying to help blacks understand better how and why whites have becoming increasingly skeptical to legitimate claims of discrimination-- in the past half decade most acutely.

One thing I'm definitely not being is intellectually dishonest or racist.

They're talking about Henrietta Lacks in her own tweet. I didn't cherry pick the second, either. It was the first tweet string I could find with a Google concerning the topic that wasn't part of Serena's own.

Remember, "Most tennis fans know that Serena has been targeted for her physique for years." That's what Henrietta Lacks is famous for-- the discrimination of her physique.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

You mean them same people that get all their History from 20 second videos on Facebook, and then attempt to have discussions based on the things gleemed in said vid?

Non-factor.

 

[Morning Star]

There's been rumors for years that her and Rafa are dopers, most likely due to their physiques and physical dominance. I'm in the camp that you're guilty until proven innocent with a few exceptions (ex. Barry Bond's head getting as big as Tito's and destroying single season records in his late 30s when most athlete's are far over the hill). I can see why she is tested more, she's built like a linebacker. Then again Sharapova popped and she's got a more traditional tennis physique so you can't always just assume. Nonetheless she sounds entitled here. Take the tests if you got nothing to hide. It's a part of being a high level athlete.

 

[Madmick]

Will reply more later but I don't think that was the intent. It's complicated.

I think he's already there, Fawlty. That's why he liked post #128 above.

 

[vengeful]

Training through injury is a huge part of the game at the professional level. If you can't train, you can't reach higher levels.

I'm sorry, but what you've forwarded here is tremendously ignorant.

Training through an injury is a huge part of the game so is recovering from an injury. If you want to deem anti-inflammatories and painkilllers to be PEDS then you'd have to do the same for all medicine and surgeries since their goals are accomplishing the same thing.

And I guarantee you that corticosteroids and opiods aren't banned because of their performance enhancing benefits...but I'll ask the expert on this matter

@dimspace why are some opiods and corticosteroids banned or restricted by USADA?

 

[Amerikuracana]

It's not because she is black. Seriously. We know this.