Serena Williams cries "discrimination" over drug testing

[SmilinDesperado]

This way of thinking and arguing has to end. It contributes to the problem. You're racially profiling an entire race without a scrap of material evidence that a crime has even been committed alluding to the wide world of American sports history, all of it, I guess, and the actions of uncouth soccer fans in Europe.

I mean, sheesh. The cops who are on the lookout for a stolen Ferrari who stop a black guy driving a Ferrari in a sketchy part of town actually have a crime, a target, and typically local, immediate statistics about perpetrators on their hands.

Lol You started off this thread talking about "the black community", as if we are some hive mind

And you completely overblew, or misunderstood my point.
The real problem is is that too many people argue in black and white.(no pun inteneded) I didn't racial profile anyone.
The fact is, is that racism does still exist. We still see evidence of it, and there are people that act as if it is a complete thing of the past, or if it's being made up. The people that say racism is "higher than it's ever been" are just as wrong. The answer is in the middle.

in a sport like tennis, the idea that a minority could face some racial discrimination shouldnt be an insane notion. That isn't an all or nothing statement. That doesn't mean everyone involved in Wimbeldon are racists. That just means that all things considered, it shouldn't be hard to see the possibility of discrimination, on some level, by some person, in a sport like tennis

 

[Madmick]

Lol You started off this thread talking about "the black community", as if we are some hive mind

A casual accusation of racism. Cute.

And you completely overblew, or misunderstood my point.
The real problem is is that too many people argue in black and white.(no pun inteneded) I didn't racial profile anyone.
The fact is, is that racism does still exist. We still see evidence of it, and there are people that act as if it is a complete thing of the past, or if it's being made up. The people that say racism is "higher than it's ever been" are just as wrong. The answer is in the middle.

in a sport like tennis, the idea that a minority could face some racial discrimination shouldnt be an insane notion. That isn't an all or nothing statement. That doesn't mean everyone involved in Wimbeldon are racists. That just means that all things considered, it shouldn't be hard to see the possibility of discrimination, on some level, by some person, in a sport like tennis

I didn't misunderstand you, and none of this addresses the substance of the point I made to you. You're just doubling down without acknowledging the counter-argument.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

A casual accusation of racism. Cute.

I didn't misunderstand you, and none of this addresses the substance of the point I made to you. You're just doubling down without acknowledging the counter-argument.

I didn't accuse you of anything
You are clearly quite sensitive on this topic. And this is just comes across as this ever growing white male self-pity party.
I wasn't calling you a racist. The"black community" statement is something i even hear other blacks use at times. It's a stupid phrase, and I only brought it up over your hypocrisy accusation of me profiling whites and how "this type of argument needs to stop".

Your "counter argument" ignores the reality of many people. You're making an all or nothing point, and that wasn't what I was arguing. Whatever point you were trying to make, you didn't do a good job of making it, because Im failing to see how it relates to what I was talking about

 

[Pessimystic]

The chick is built like fucking Carl Weathers, what does she expect?

 

[Madmick]

I didn't accuse you of anything

You accused me of perceiving all blacks to think with a hive mind because I used the term "black community"; rather than interpret it to be a way of abstractly referencing black Americans.

Most would perceive that as an implied accusation of racism, but I will take you at your word that you don't believe me a racist. Thank you, by the way. I'm not.

You are clearly quite sensitive on this topic. And this is just comes across as this ever growing white male self-pity party.

I wasn't calling you a racist. The"black community" statement is something i even hear other blacks use at times. It's a stupid phrase, and I only brought it up over your hypocrisy accusation of me profiling whites and how "this type of argument needs to stop".

Your "counter argument" ignores the reality of many people. You're making an all or nothing point, and that wasn't what I was arguing. Whatever point you were trying to make, you didn't do a good job of making it, because Im failing to see how it relates to what I was talking about

Yes, I deliberately use that term because I thought it was one without controversy. Nevertheless, it was a favorite of white liberal college professors, so perhaps there is something to your cynicism about it, and the notion it contributes to exacerbating this division.

Nevertheless, my counter-argument did not ignore the experience of many people. It related how these were not immediate to Serena, and amount to premeditated thought convictions that would justify any investigation and scrutiny of any white individual anywhere with authority who doesn't preside over purely white people. Of course, the stain of being suspected-- being on trial-- isn't a scrutiny that anyone wants to face. It carries the stigma of the presumption of the possibility of guilt. Furthermore, it invests the prosecutor/investigator power over the accused. This is appropriate if there is evidence for accusation, and if those making the accusation have a fair, objective claim to authority. Where is that evidence, here? Where is the claim to authority?

This crux of this thought appears to have eluded you.

 

[usmctanker242]

But is she getting tested more often?

If she isn't, it's double bullshit.
Seems like it could be she's getting tested more often by happenstance and not targeting. There are other explanations besides ism.

Yep.... my name ALWAYS ended up on the monthly "random" piss test roster when I was in the Marine Corps. Random number generators aren't perfect and often things seem consistent rather than random. Like you said I question whether there is any real data showing that Serena is getting tested at a rate greater than her peers.

 

[squeezewax]

I think racism will always exist. I also believe most people are racist to varying degrees at different times in their lives depending on what is happening around them in their society. I don't mean engrained, long term racism that stays with the person for life, but something very, very brief.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

If the strongest objection to my arguments is that they're morally virtuous, in a forum devoted to debate of political ideas with the intention of arriving at the most virtuous ones, I'd opine that it's a humble start.

This post has like 10 dorkisms in only one sentence. Very impressive.

 

[Legumes]

Out of curiosity: Does anyone know what Serena actually weighs? Google says 155lbs and 5'9'' for height, but I believe that's an old weight unless she's lost some size or something. I don't watch tennis nor have I really seen any recent photos of her. I do remember some pictures from some years ago where she's got a ton of muscle definition, visible abs, etc. In those photos, she looked more like someone that weighed 180ish if she's actually her listed 5'9'' height.

 

[deadshot138]

Lol You started off this thread talking about "the black community", as if we are some hive mind

And you completely overblew, or misunderstood my point.
The real problem is is that too many people argue in black and white.(no pun inteneded) I didn't racial profile anyone.
The fact is, is that racism does still exist. We still see evidence of it, and there are people that act as if it is a complete thing of the past, or if it's being made up. The people that say racism is "higher than it's ever been" are just as wrong. The answer is in the middle.

in a sport like tennis, the idea that a minority could face some racial discrimination shouldnt be an insane notion. That isn't an all or nothing statement. That doesn't mean everyone involved in Wimbeldon are racists. That just means that all things considered, it shouldn't be hard to see the possibility of discrimination, on some level, by some person, in a sport like tennis

Institutional racism is made up/a thing of the past. Individual racism will probably always exist because ignorance will always exist.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Serena's clit is bigger than my dick guaranteed

Pics or gtfo

 

[Makani]

Why would you make a thread on this in the War Room? I don't think your thread is racist, but you had to know the knuckle-draggers were going to pile on. A few high-profile athletes crying wolf is an easy out for those who already think there is no substantial difference between the white and black American experience.

 

[JSN]

It is racially motivated IMO. People see Serena’s dick and think she must be on roids but in reality that’s what black women look like. Well according to Serena and pretty much no one else.

 

[Roaming East]

Yep.... my name ALWAYS ended up on the monthly "random" piss test roster when I was in the Marine Corps. Random number generators aren't perfect and often things seem consistent rather than random. Like you said I question whether there is any real data showing that Serena is getting tested at a rate greater than her peers.

Can confirm. During the summer of '03, i was piss tested by the USAF 5 times in a 2 week period.

 

[Madmick]

This post has like 10 dorkisms in only one sentence. Very impressive.

I must be doing something right to get you spittin' like the POTUS.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

I must be doing something right to get you spittin' like the POTUS.

You mean I must be doing something right. Shit, I might have to run for something!

 

[ultramanhyata]

I've been waiting for the racial angle but it hasn't come.

So imagine how desperately Mick must be waiting. He's probably following Serena's tweets with the same anxiousness that Rachel Maddow is following the Mueller investigation. "That fucking shoe's gonna' drop. Any day now..."

 

[Fawlty]

So imagine how desperately Mick must be waiting. He's probably following Serena's tweets with the same anxiousness that Rachel Maddow is following the Mueller investigation. "That fucking shoe's gonna' drop. Any day now..."

I think he's a little offsides here yeah. Like I said earlier, even if this does become a race thing, that won't necessarily mean that it was a race thing (people often cry racism or gayness or whatever because they get busted).

 

[ultramanhyata]

I think he's a little offsides here yeah. Like I said earlier, even if this does become a race thing, that won't necessarily mean that it was a race thing (people often cry racism or gayness or whatever because they get busted).

Given there is some past history of Williams injecting race into discussions about her career you could potentially call this statement a Trump-like racial dog whistle. And that is as far as Mick can plausibly stretch his accusation IMO.

 

[Madmick]

Given there is some past history of Williams injecting race into discussions about her career you could potentially call this statement a Trump-like racial dog whistle. And that is as far as Mick can plausibly stretch his accusation IMO.

She already pandered to the race angle with her own tweet alluding to Henrietta Lacks. Her mind is known.


*Edit*
BTW, here's an interview on race with Common from December 2016:
http://theundefeated.com/features/s...-with-common-to-talk-about-race-and-identity/
They split in 2010. Not exactly in the rearview.