Schwarzenegger 80's Action

[HHJ]

those stupid lines only worked for arnold, everyone from Robert Deniro to Jean Claude Van Damme probably used lines like that, I think even Stallone did.

He's larger than life than those guys and made it work. The accent actually worked in his favor too.

 

[mozfonky]

He's larger than life than those guys and made it work. The accent actually worked in his favor too.

When Deniro says, "you offering me something hot?" when the lady poured scalding water on him in Cape Fear, I thought it was a rip of Arnold, but Deniro didn't need to copy anyone. That character also owed a lot to Nicholson's joker, as did many antagonists in the years after that performance.

 

[HHJ]

When Deniro says, "you offering me something hot?" when the lady poured scalding water on him in Cape Fear, I thought it was a rip of Arnold, but Deniro didn't need to copy anyone. That character also owed a lot to Nicholson's joker, as did many antagonists in the years after that performance.

Deniro and Arnold arent even in the same universe as far as acting goes lol

 

[LEWIS540]

not at all, I don't believe in that alpha horseshit at all, not one bit.

I just watched a docu on Randy Rhoads, the prodigy guitarist, never knew much about him, sounded like my kind of guy, hated other musicians who were arrogant and always had time to teach, sounded like a super guy, what a loss. In a perfect world, everyone would be like that.

At any rate, I tend to take after my Native American father who's culture really frowned upon that type of competing, it was never comfortable for me but now that I'm old, I've actually turned nasty instead of really letting it bother me. I used to tolerate things that I should have never tolerated. So, no, absolutely not, you got me pegged all wrong.

What really boggles my mind is all the old men I see still acting like that, that really just puzzles me. Some of the most immature martial artists I've known were the oldest ones. I used to think when I was young, "aren't you supposed to grow out of that?" But, well, look at the people who run our world and how they act, so, no, we all get fucked over by those one way or another.

Yeah.

Something really off putting about that guy in his 40s plus whose entire life is based on being the toughest guy in the pub……or even worse being the toughest guy in the pub 20 years ago.

Can’t remember who, but remember one guy who interviewed George Foreman said he had the softest handshake he ever felt. The guy knew who he was. Yet other wannabes always made a point of trying to break every bone in his hand.

 

[mozfonky]

Deniro and Arnold arent even in the same universe as far as acting goes lol

Stallone is also more substantive and he still feels he fell short in comparison to Schwarzenegger, that kind of hurt to read that. He called Arnold, "the superior action hero" and it sounded like he just accepts that. Sly is actually a creative person, he wrote the Rocky script and had acting talent so it kind of felt bad for him to accept losing to Arnold. Also, as I mentioned, I never liked the competitive thing, and Sly seemed a lot nicer in those days and I don't think he knew what to do with the Arnold treatment just like Ferrigno didn't. I think Arnold regrets some of that stuff today. He said in his docu that he really needed to create enemies to push himself but those guys weren't enemies.

Sly went through his fazes too, the producer or director of the first Rocky said as much, and it was obvious that Sly wasn't the humble guy he was on the 70's era interview that he became later. We all do change throughout our lives to varying degrees and given circumstances. I once read a story, (being a boxing historian) by Richie Giachetti who said that he first met Stallone who came up and said, "I'm Sly Stallone, Rocky" and Giachetti replied, "we don't give a shit" which is just how boxing people usually are, they don't put on a lot of airs, but he said in the same interview that Sly had a big heart once he got to know him. No one is perfect.

 

[LEWIS540]

He actually liked Stand By Me and Shawshank but the rest he didn't like.

Think Carrie too, but might be mistaken.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah.

Something really off putting about that guy in his 40s plus whose entire life is based on being the toughest guy in the pub……or even worse being the toughest guy in the pub 20 years ago.

Can’t remember who, but remember one guy who interviewed George Foreman said he had the softest handshake he ever felt. The guy knew who he was. Yet other wannabes always made a point of trying to break every bone in his hand.

I know a guy who shook his hand and he said George's fingers were like sausages, and this guy is about as tall and big as George himself, George became a gentleman in later life. Duran began to ask refs to stop a fight rather than pummel some clubfighter who really had no chance when Roberto was still fighting in his mid forties. Total change. Alls i can say about some of the guys I knew when I was in my 20's and they were in their sixties was that I felt that something was off, I was supposed to be the hothead. Honestly, it's kind of sad and pathetic seeing old men like that.

 

[LEWIS540]

Deniro and Arnold arent even in the same universe as far as acting goes lol

Sure.

Sometimes the physicality is more than important than the acting chops.

Remember when Adrian Brody was the lead in Predators. Everyone complained. Then people pointed out Brody had a far more atypical physique for a US Marine.

Didn’t matter if that was true, we all wanted the steroid freak not the true to life thespian.

 

[HHJ]

Stallone is also more substantive and he still feels he fell short in comparison to Schwarzenegger, that kind of hurt to read that. He called Arnold, "the superior action hero" and it sounded like he just accepts that. Sly is actually a creative person, he wrote the Rocky script and had acting talent so it kind of felt bad for him to accept losing to Arnold.

Arnold was just physically more impressive and had alot more charisma, and that is what it took. Like I said, by the time he had to not be a robot or a barbarian, and had to be something else....

We didnt care that he had a thick accent, and his acting was passable at best, we just wanted to watch him. Nobody in the 80s can compete with what Arnold was at that time, but Stallone got nothing to feel shame about.

You cant be blamed for not being this:

 

[HHJ]

Sure.

Sometimes the physicality is more than important than the acting chops.

Remember when Adrian Brody was the lead in Predators. Everyone complained. Then people pointed out Brody had a far more atypical physique for a US Marine.

Didn’t matter if that was true, we all wanted the steroid freak not the true to life thespian.

I thought Adrian Brody was fine. I just think the way he was written, as this guy who just knows everything, was a little bit hammy at times, which may have put some people off.

I think that movie is just OK. But Brody as an actor and his physical presence didnt bother me. He kind of reminded me alot of Richard Chaves in the first Predator movie tbh.

 

[mozfonky]

Arnold was just physically more impressive and had alot more charisma, and that is what it took. Like I said, by the time he had to not be a robot or a barbarian, and had to be something else....

We didnt care that he had a thick accent, and his acting was passable at best, we just wanted to watch him. Nobody in the 80s can compete with what Arnold was at that time, but Stallone got nothing to feel shame about.

You cant be blamed for not being this:

I never thought he was that charismatic and his acting ALWAYS came dangerously close to overshadowing the fact that he was in a medium where you are supposed to suspend reality for the duration. No question he was physically impressive and had no problems with the physical demands in general. I doubt if he could pull of Bruce Lee type shit and look good, he never had to really do that much as an action star. Even Sly, as well as most boxing movies, don't really compare to real boxing.

 

[mozfonky]

Sure.

Sometimes the physicality is more than important than the acting chops.

Remember when Adrian Brody was the lead in Predators. Everyone complained. Then people pointed out Brody had a far more atypical physique for a US Marine.

Didn’t matter if that was true, we all wanted the steroid freak not the true to life thespian.

that was the take many people had for Michael Keaton's Batman, he was a strange choice, then and now, but it wasn't his acting. There is nothing remotely physical about Michael Keaton, we already knew he could act.

 

[Phlog]

Predator is the best film ever, let alone best 80s Arnie.

I'm super cereal.

 

[method115]

Such a hard list to choose from honestly. I love all these movies. I went with Conan but man this is tough.

 

[Arqueto]

Predator all day. The Terminator is amazing too, but Predator is Arnie's greatest.

Special shoutout to Conan, underrated.

 

[HHJ]

I never thought he was that charismatic and his acting ALWAYS came dangerously close to overshadowing the fact that he was in a medium where you are supposed to suspend reality for the duration. No question he was physically impressive and had no problems with the physical demands in general. I doubt if he could pull of Bruce Lee type shit and look good, he never had to really do that much as an action star. Even Sly, as well as most boxing movies, don't really compare to real boxing.

Whatever he DID do, looked like a million bucks

 

[mozfonky]

Terminator was not only the best it is prophetic in ways we couldn't fathom 40 years ago.

 

[LEWIS540]

Whatever he DID do, looked like a million bucks

Yeah.

He’s never playing Macbeth.

Same time when it comes to classic Arnie roles, Daniel Day Lewis or Robert De Niro would look equally foolish.

 

[HHJ]

Yeah.

He’s never playing Macbeth.

Same time when it comes to classic Arnie roles, Daniel Day Lewis or Robert De Niro would look equally foolish.

Agreed.

 

[LEWIS540]

Terminator was not only the best it is prophetic in ways we couldn't fathom 40 years ago.

I mean they literally did fathom it 40 years ago……

I jest I jest.