Saying "Jones would still win off PED's" is an ignorant statement

[Andreh]

Call me crazy, or delusional or whatever. But i'm not 100% sure Cormier is all natural either. I wouldn't be surprised one way or the other.

And, just to remember, like I already said in various threads, here we go again:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/...om-jon-jones-daniel-cormier-ufc-182-drug-test

 

[FlyingDropKick]

Apparently no one on here knows what random drug tests are.

 

[Simian Raticus]

It may well be the case that he’d be the best ever without having ever taken anything, but I think it’s going it not far to make that statement definitively because we don’t actually know. Obviously dude himself felt like he needed a little something extra, at least at some point in the past.

Let’s frame it in a different way. I think most people would agree that DC is more likely than not a clean athlete. What if we put him on the good stuff? How’s that match up look now? Maybe Jon would still win, but let’s not act like we haven’t just introduced another huge variable into the mix.

 

[Congo66]

none of you know what tainted means do you?

Usually it means you're lying after getting caught cheating.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

You know what PEDs stand for right?!

Oh look its captain obvious

 

[Anaconda99]

True as much as saying without peds he would be nothing. Jones is obviously very skilled and the ped must have some factor i just dont know how much, i really feel like peds or not he would be one of the best ever but thats just my assumption no one knows. Also Jones fought a lot of guys on juice and beat them clearly. There are plenty of fighters that popped and didnt have the career Jones had.

 

[Watcha gunna doo]

none of you know what tainted means do you?

Litterally everytime anyone gets caught

 

[BokaBokte]

How many kicks did Belfort land off steroids?
None.
Think about that. PED’s improve everything.

 

[NorrisB]

OP, you are totally wrong. Antonio Silva did fine off TRT and remained a top HW,Vitor Belfort did great trading TRT for TNT.

 

[cmw43]

TS, do you see how saying "Saying "Jones would still win off PED's" is an ignorant statement" is in fact an ignorant statement? Do you see the irony of that?

as for you saying "we don't know..." - that much is true. You don't know. But there are folks in the know, in JW's camp, who were astonished when a nobody JJ turned up in the gym and started beating them pros left right and center. It was highly unlikely he was on peds then.

I'd say its likely, he was losing wrestling tournaments to Matt Riddle before PEDs.

Probably got the hookup from his NFL brothers who've also been suspended in the past.

 

[IrritatedTomcat]

PED's have been proven to cause very significant performance increases across many sports. We don't know if Jon would be an undercard fighter or still a world class fighter. But we know for a FACT that he cheated.

If Jon was good enough to win all natural, why would he put his life at risk (very dangerous side effects come with these drugs), finances at risk(fines and suspensions from the sport), and his reputation at risk? The answer is because PED's SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE PERFORMANCE. Hence Jon being able to not even train for fights, juice up, and kick ass.

Nobody knows how good a natural Jones is, but we all know he cheated his opponents and should be punished for such

Truth but loser Bones fans who have shifty lives and live vicariously through him aren't gonna like this post.

 

[Rapshepard]

We have plenty of fights he didn't pop in to go off of. Now you can do the "pop once means you always did it". Which I get that line of thinking. But as far as what we currently know he's passed a shit ton of tests, won a lot of fights, and Besides Gus none of them were even challenging.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

TS, do you see how saying "Saying "Jones would still win off PED's" is an ignorant statement" is in fact an ignorant statement? Do you see the irony of that?

as for you saying "we don't know..." - that much is true. You don't know. But there are folks in the know, in JW's camp, who were astonished when a nobody JJ turned up in the gym and started beating them pros left right and center. It was highly unlikely he was on peds then.

Why is it highly unlikely?

He has two brothers playing football which is rampant with PED usage. There's also plenty of people using steroids in college. Hell, your average nightclub bouncer is on gear, it's not like you have to be rich n famous to afford it.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

We have plenty of fights he didn't pop in to go off of. Now you can do the "pop once means you always did it". Which I get that line of thinking. But as far as what we currently know he's passed a shit ton of tests, won a lot of fights, and Besides Gus none of them were even challenging.

Passed a shit ton of tests?

He's failed like every test since USADA came out lol

 

[Rapshepard]

Passed a shit ton of tests?

He's failed like every test since USADA came out lol

Yup, no disputing he's popped and had a shit ton of "irregularities" lately. But you also can't dispute that he passed a shit ton of tests prior to the DC rematch for 200. Now you speculate and wonder if he always used, which again I totallytota. But what's on the books is Jones tested negative for roids for a lot of fight a lot of those being title fights. You don't trust his career prior to USADA I get it, he hasn't earned the right to the benefit of the doubt for most. Me personally he passed his test he passed his test.

 

[Bacco]

I guess not cheating JJ will be anyway top 5 and more likely top 3.
No problem imagine him with Champ belt too.
On other hand we can't know if a "clean" Jones will have successfully achieved everthing he did cheating, both in the cage or in training months
I still think the guy got crazy talent

 

[Ananth]

People underestimate what PED's can do. People also blindly follow winners, so its no surprise Jones still has support.

He will always be a cheat in my eyes.

 

[real2124]

Unless he was microdosing a substance that USADA didn't detect, and that substance just happened to be stacked/contaminated with turinabol.

Or did people already forget that Jones got busted for clomiphene and letrozole in 2016?

Sadly, many have.

Even Novitzky was saying Jones had only ever in his entire career tested positive to 'two' PEDs. Lies.

 

[HelloJapan]

Saying he wouldn't would be an ignorant statement as well.

 

[Eusung]

We will never know. Some fighters, when they stop, decline so fast that they become irrelevant (Thiago Alves, Johnny Hendricks).

Others show a very noticeable decline but still manage to remain relevant (Alistair Overeem, although it took a few fights for him to adjust)

I think Jones off the roids would be similar to Overeem. Both guys are natural athletes with good genetics (runs in their family). Still very dangerous, but unable to physically just ragdoll his opponents. He'd be more vulnerable and have to adapt his fighting style to be more cautious. Plus it would probably fuck with him mentally and confidence plays a big part in an athlete's performance.

As for people saying his opponents are on roids as well....there are different levels of abusing roids.....Jones is either abusing the roids in much higher frequency and dosage than the other fighters or he is the most unlucky champion in UFC history. He has failed how many times now? 4? And it's all post-USADA.

My guess is that he is probably doping a considerably more than most fighters and has connections to experts who help him at masking the PEDs...but he still manages to fuck up and piss hot.

EDIT: I can't wait to see TRT Vitor in One FC or Rizin. Get him to fight HGH Cro Cop.