Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

[Madmick]

Is that in the Quran?

It's in a Fatwa derived from Quranic readings; issued by one of the highest ranking clergyman in all of the wide world of Islam. The attempted assassin was known to be an Iranian loyalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_S...s accused Rushdie of,in response to the novel.

Many Muslims accused Rushdie of blasphemy or unbelief and in 1989 the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran issued a fatwa ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie. Numerous killings, attempted killings (including against Rushdie himself), and bombings resulted in response to the novel.

I guess we'll chalk this exchange up to this week's episode of, "When dumbass snide remarks backfire."

 

[So Fresh]

It's in a Fatwa derived from Quranic readings; issued by one of the highest ranking clergyman in all of the wide world of Islam. The attempted assassin was known to be an Iranian loyalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses_controversy#:~:text=Many Muslims accused Rushdie of,in response to the novel.


I guess we'll chalk this exchange up to this week's episode of, "When dumbass snide remarks backfire."

lol I was just asking questions, no need to get all riled up. From reading that wiki site I wouldn’t say this fatwa belongs to the “core beliefs”.

 

[Natural Order]

Is that in the Quran?

Killing non-believers is spoken to in the Quran. The man who issued the fatwa also spoke to the rational behind the fatwa from the same sources highlighting the death of idolaters.

 

[oldshadow]

lol I was just asking questions, no need to get all riled up. From reading that wiki site I wouldn’t say this fatwa belongs to the “core beliefs”.

Leave it to you to come to the defense of a death warrant of someone because they wrote a book.

 

[moosaev]

While you didn't come right out and say it, it was quite obvious what you were trying to say, without actually saying it.

No actually it wasn’t obvious, it was just sensitive white people projecting their own insecurities. Hate crimes are committed by all sorts of people, could’ve easily been Hispanic or black.

 

[moosaev]

Killing non-believers is spoken to in the Quran. The man who issued the fatwa also spoke to the rational behind the fatwa from the same sources highlighting the death of idolaters.

Killing non-believers without cause Is never spoken to in the Koran. The verse that everyone sites refers to self defense against non believers who are attacking Muslims. And the very next line says “if they incline toward peace then you should too” or something to that effect.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

No actually it wasn’t obvious, it was just sensitive white people projecting their own insecurities. Hate crimes are committed by all sorts of people, could’ve easily been Hispanic or black.

 

[Natural Order]

Killing non-believers without cause Is never spoken to in the Koran. The verse that everyone sites refers to self defense against non believers who are attacking Muslims. And the very next line says “if they incline toward peace then you should too” or something to that effect.

Sure, all kinds of spin in religion to soften it up. Fact is all of this stems from the ugly side of Islam. And make no mistake, all Abrahamic religions are cut from the same nonsense and vile capability.

 

[moosaev]

Sure, all kinds of spin in religion to soften it up. Fact is all of this stems from the ugly side of Islam. And make no mistake, all Abrahamic religions are cut from the same nonsense and vile capability.

It’s not spin, it’s context. What islam haters do is quote from the Quran totally without context. How are you gonna summarize and entire book based on one quote? Lmao, absurd.

 

[Natural Order]

It’s not spin, it’s context. What islam haters do is quote from the Quran totally without context. How are you gonna summarize and entire book based on one quote? Lmao, absurd.

Oh, it's most certainly spin. Delusional stories by primitive apes used as control and power mechanisms to instill fear and compliance.

All gross stuff as we learn to shed our stupidity.

 

[moosaev]

Oh, it's most certainly spin. Delusional stories by primitive apes used as control and power mechanisms to instill fear and compliance.

All gross stuff as we learn to shed our stupidity.

Here we go, religion used to control people blah blah blah blah. Boring and old trope.

 

[So Fresh]

Leave it to you to come to the defense of a death warrant of someone because they wrote a book.

Where am I defending a death warrant?

 

[Natural Order]

Here we go, religion used to control people blah blah blah blah. Boring and old trope.

If you don't see the evolution of myth and tribal lore from polytheism to monotheism and don't understand what it functionally is (a psychological certainty), I don't know what to tell you.

It's a natural mechanism as far as I can tell, alleviating the question of purpose and fear of death. Corrupted by greed and power like generally all other human invention though.

 

[moosaev]

Where am I defending a death warrant?

If you effectively push back against the right wing consensus in the WarRoom the majority starts using straw man arguments that they attribute to you and a doggy pile quickly ensues, and before you know it you’re being asked to defend an argument you never made. It’s like clockwork lol.

 

[Rematch]

No, you gtfo. The standard should be the same for any group, not “wait for the evidence” when the perp is suspected to be white, but “cmon you know who did it” when it’s suspected Muslims.

The circumstances and the target do not grant such naivete.

 

[MTT]

Killing non-believers without cause Is never spoken to in the Koran. The verse that everyone sites refers to self defense against non believers who are attacking Muslims. And the very next line says “if they incline toward peace then you should too” or something to that effect.

Quran: 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Another verse that believers dance around. You must pay the (non-believers) tax or adopt Islam, obey Sharia law, or be slain.

 

[moosaev]

Quran: 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Another verse that believers dance around. You must pay the (non-believers) tax or adopt Islam, obey Sharia law, or be slain.

Again, you’re missing context. Firstly, Jizya is a poll tax, and the reason Muslims don’t pay it is because Muslims pay zakat (a different tax that non Muslims aren’t subject too and is even more stringent than Jizya) and are subject to conscription and other duties that non-Muslims aren’t. The jizya is both a tax that ensures non Muslims are contributing to the state and it’s also a symbolic acknowledgment that the Muslim government is in charge. The reason non Muslims aren’t forced to pay zakat is because zakat is an Islamic religious edict, forcing non Muslims to pay that would be compulsion in religion. So there is a separate tax they pay called Jizya. Secondly, thisverse applies to the Arabian peninsula where even to this day no other religion is supposed to reign because it contains Mecca and Medina, there is a specific context in which it was revealed. The consensus view is that the verse does not mean Muslims should perpetually fight non-Muslims everywhere and force them to submit.

 

[Kforcer]

What about the millions of Muslims killed by the west?

What about all those killed during the Muslim conquest of the Middle East and the West...? What about the Christians getting slaughtered and persecuted around the world...?

What does any of that have to do with a man getting stabbed in the neck for a book he wrote? And for your information, it isn't free speech when people can use violence to coerce you to not say or write certain things, or control speech through violent reprisal. That is the literal opposite of free speech. It is one thing to "cancel" someone who offended you, it is another thing to actual threaten their life and then actually attempt to kill them. You're pretty much in the territory of Pakistani blasphemy laws at that point.

 

[MTT]

Again, you’re missing context. Firstly, Jizya is a poll tax, and the reason Muslims don’t pay it is because Muslims pay zakat (a different tax that non Muslims aren’t subject too and is even more stringent than Jizya) and are subject to conscription and other duties that non-Muslims aren’t. The jizya is both a tax that ensures non Muslims are contributing to the state and it’s also a symbolic acknowledgment that the Muslim government is in charge. The reason non Muslims aren’t forced to pay zakat is because zakat is an Islamic religious edict, forcing non Muslims to pay that would be compulsion in religion. So there is a separate tax they pay called Jizya. Secondly, thisverse applies to the Arabian peninsula where even to this day no other religion is supposed to reign because it contains Mecca and Medina, there is a specific context in which it was revealed. The consensus view is that the verse does not mean Muslims should perpetually fight non-Muslims everywhere and force them to submit.

The consensus view of Muslims.

As Sahih Bukhari says, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar".

 

[moosaev]

The consensus view of Muslims.

As Sahih Bukhari says, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar".

How about you explain why I’m wrong rather than accusing me of lying? Oh that’s right you can’t, the fact is you don’t know shit about islam, you’re just regurgitating crap you’ve read from anti-Islam websites because it already confirms your world view.