News Ryan Hall goes in for his 10th Surgery

There are exceptions to the rule, but for many folks decades of BJJ will ruin your body.

I can't count the number of long time grapplers I know that had neck or spine surgery. When you add in damaged knees and shoulders, surgery as an outcome is almost ubiquitous in the long run.

Ryan is coming up on 38 with decades of mileage, he should retire from competition across the board
 
TheNinja said:
I liked him b/c he was one of the few elite specialists left. He was different than a lot of guys who tend to be boxers/grapplers .
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Agreed - I don't really get the hate for the handful of funky specialists when we are fortunate enough to have them. Its not only interesting to watch but it continues to prove the point about what is possible in modern MMA.
 
rjmbrd said:
There are exceptions to the rule, but for many folks decades of BJJ will ruin your body.

I can't count the number of long time grapplers I know that had neck or spine surgery. When you add in damaged knees and shoulders, surgery as an outcome is almost ubiquitous in the long run.

Ryan is coming up on 38 with decades of mileage, he should retire from competition across the board
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So true sadly

Especially with someone like Hall who inverts all the time, and puts his knees in all sorts of fucked up positions

Obviously BJJ is rough on you regardless, but a lot of the injuries could be avoided IMO if guys avoided certain techniques… I wish older guys preached that more
 
TheNinja said:
I liked him b/c he was one of the few elite specialists left. He was different than a lot of guys who tend to be boxers/grapplers .
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A lot of MMA fans just hate grappling and will be mad at anyone with a grappling based style unless they’re Khabib level dominant.

Hall is one of the few guys with the balls to try and innovate, and it worked up to a certain point… I wish we had more guys like that.

Sadly most fans can’t appreciate it because they want every fight to be two guys standing and throwing bombs at each other.
 
Orochimaru 大蛇丸 said:
A lot of MMA fans just hate grappling and will be mad at anyone with a grappling based style unless they’re Khabib level dominant.

Hall is one of the few guys with the balls to try and innovate, and it worked up to a certain point… I wish we had more guys like that.

Sadly most fans can’t appreciate it because they want every fight to be two guys standing and throwing bombs at each other.
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I think that's a bit of an unfair assessment when it comes to why people didn't particularly care about Ryan. Aside from his long spells of inactivity due to injuries, all his BJJ and leglock prowess it never translated to finishes save for an ancient BJ.

Sometimes it was due to his opponent avoiding him like the plague (Maynard) but other times it just seemed like he had no killer instinct at all. Minner and Lobov are the two guys in particular he should've finished (Darrick has like a dozen submission losses on top of having a bad gas tank, and Artem is Artem).

Ryan's style of Imanari rolls and hook kicks was not a fan friendly style in the slightest, regardless of how you feel about grappling in MMA. I don't hate grappling, even if I do personally lean more towards wrestling, but I wasn't particularly invested in Hall because I knew his approach while unique was way too flawed for him to be anything but a novelty act.
 
Thesnake101 said:
I think that's a bit of an unfair assessment when it comes to why people didn't particularly care about Ryan. Aside from his long spells of inactivity due to injuries, all his BJJ and leglock prowess it never translated to finishes save for an ancient BJ.

Sometimes it was due to his opponent avoiding him like the plague (Maynard) but other times it just seemed like he had no killer instinct at all. Minner and Lobov are the two guys in particular he should've finished (Darrick has like a dozen submission losses on top of having a bad gas tank, and Artem is Artem).

Ryan's style of Imanari rolls and hook kicks was not a fan friendly style in the slightest, regardless of how you feel about grappling in MMA. I don't hate grappling, even if I do personally lean more towards wrestling, but I wasn't particularly invested in Hall because I knew his approach while unique was way too flawed for him to be anything but a novelty act.
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This is kind of making my point IMO, he dominated Minner and Lobov, but if you’re a grappler you HAVE to get a finish or have the most exciting fight ever or people are pissed at you.

Even saying it’s a novelty act is weird IMO, it was a unique style that beat a lot of guys… was he ever champ material? No, most guys aren’t, but anyone that likes BJJ probably enjoyed watching Hall fight.

There’s reasons to dislike any fighter, not saying you’re wrong about Hall, that’s your opinion which is fine, but generally speaking the fan base is wayyy harder on grapplers.
 
JustBleed69 said:



Just brutal. Hate to be the one to say this, because I think Ryan is a good human being, but he should retire from MMA imo.

Dude has been injured more than Cain, Dom, and TJ combined.
Definitely not worth the small paydays I'm sure he's been receiving, plus he's not exactly a spring chicken.
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Serious question. Not trying to be a dick.
Have you ever met him?
Because if you have, I'd be really surprised if you still felt that way.
 
rjmbrd said:
There are exceptions to the rule, but for many folks decades of BJJ will ruin your body.

I can't count the number of long time grapplers I know that had neck or spine surgery. When you add in damaged knees and shoulders, surgery as an outcome is almost ubiquitous in the long run.

Ryan is coming up on 38 with decades of mileage, he should retire from competition across the board
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15 years of Jiu-Jitsu has left me with knee problems, hips, wrist, shoulders, and, above all, neck and back problems.
I can no longer sleep without marijuana. It's a brutal life, training hard.
 
Idk what type of injury he had but hope he recovers fully and quickly. He's a real blast to watch.

What type of injury did he have to have surgery for? The difference between like a torn meniscus and a ruptured Achilles tendon or ACL is pretty wide. Hope it wasn't anything career threatening.
 
Good thing the UFC covered his insurance.
 
Ryan Hall career cycle:
Y1 Fight
Y2 Injury
Y3 Surgery
Go to Y1
Championship Match!
 
d2s said:
i dunno why, but the shrugging irks the hell outta me. Can't explain it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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He’s shrugging cause he knows he was lucky not to be knocked out. Even a woman like cris cyborg or Fallon fox could knock out hall. Upper echelon ground game though
 
BJJ4Tone said:
Serious question. Not trying to be a dick.
Have you ever met him?
Because if you have, I'd be really surprised if you still felt that way.
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No I haven't, but listened to a lot of interviews, podcasts, BJJ instructionals, and also enjoyed him on TUF.

Why don't you like him?
 
Yeah glass cannon. He had tons of mileage before ufc even. Dude needs to concentrate on making videos and teaching and rolling with newbs.
 
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