International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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Do you watch Vladimir Solovyov? because it takes a special kind of stupid to fall for and actually believe Russian propaganda and it seems to have you hook line and sinker.
Solovyov is better paid than generals.
For example he does have tailor made suits, Rolex watches and Mercedes and BMW.... plus cook and servant at home.... villa and large luxurous flat in Russia and villa in Italy.
He does love russia so much because he is using 5 western lux class cars and does have driver as servant.
 
Next cool example is Kiselov.
Propagandist.
I have no clue and any intent to lurk what stuff he does have.
Exception is that his body usually is transported from TV studio in...Maybach car.<Lmaoo>
 
They don't want to do that unless they have to. The Soviet Union built all of the infrastructure in Ukraine and eastern Europe and Moscow defaulted on that debt to the IMF when the soviet unuon collapsed. They would much rather not have to rebuild it. Instead their plan is to install a Pro Russian government there which would have happened already if the president of Ukraine wasn't a Soros funded western puppet who will make The Ukrainians fight to the last man.

Yanukovych was about to sign the treaty with the EU. He pulled out at the very last moment, very unexpectedly, even apologising to EU leaders making it pretty clear that he'd been threatened by the Kremlin and could not sign. The result was nearly half a million Ukrainian citizens taking to the street in the Maidan uprising. Putin would have us believe it was a western funded coup but it was clearly the Ukrainian people who were absolutely disgusted by Yanukovych selling out the future prosperity of everyone in their country for what they probably thought was money. But I bet it was an offer he could not refuse, probably silver or lead.

And you have to remember that Yanukovych had always campaigned on Ukraine becoming more integrated with the EU he would never have got elected if he had not promised that. It was the will of the Ukrainian people that Russia would not allow. And shortly after Russia annexed Crimea.
 
I thought this was interesting, because my big suspicion is that most of Russia's nuclear strategic arsenal does not work. This would correlate with this because they don't want to allow inspections which would uncover this.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s/us-russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-b2273240.html

Good news for the rest of the world though! WWIII would just be the destruction of Russia as we know it.

EDIT: no bad theory. Inspections have been going on for a number of years already. They just have been suspended because of Ukraine. I wonder if inspectors already have a good idea of the general state of the weapon systems?
 
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Veteran US reporter of Russian descent - Fullbright scholar. Talks about Putin and how all this came about starting with Western inaction during George Bush's presidency. Pretty fascinating interview. All of this woman's interviews about Russia are fascinating.

 
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There's no way to tell Ukrainian morale mate. The media control is impressive. Judging by the new punishments in laws regarding desertion and avoiding conscription , disobedience etc ( hreatening higher ranks ) I'd say it's not as high as they portray. You don't increase jail times on that stuff unless the previous laws were viewed as a inadequate deterrent.

I've said this for ages. Being forced to fight this brutally in the donbas region will not help morale. It's almost where it was when this shit began, people weren't signing up to fight the Russians ( seperatists ) there throughout the conflict for 8 years.

Without a doubt for some morale is high and determination would be high to keep fighting. There would be countless who've lost loved ones and wish to fight. ( I'd assume )

For regular guys forced there? Taken away from their families? Getting sent to a war that for all intents and purposes has been going on for 9 years.... might be a tough sell. ( I assume )

People here like to convince themselves the children and grandmothers of Ukraine want this war, and will fight tooth and nail! The US really brainwashes their lemmings well
 
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There is no way to effectively find the morale of the population. That's why anyone claiming they want this war is talking out of their ass. The US is pushing for missiles and aircraft now so they can funnel more money off the American people into the hands of the military industrial complex. You Americans fall for the same scam every 10-20 years and never learn your lesson.
 
There is no way to effectively find the morale of the population. That's why anyone claiming they want this war is talking out of their ass. The US is pushing for missiles and aircraft now so they can funnel more money off the American people into the hands of the military industrial complex. You Americans fall for the same scam every 10-20 years and never learn your lesson.
We are crippling Russia for cheap along with testing weapon systems. Good deal imo.
 
We are crippling Russia for cheap along with testing weapon systems. Good deal imo.

Good deal for the military industrial complex, and look how easy it was to manipulate you. Americans are a completely brainwashed engineered population laughing at countries like NK for the propaganda when they themselves have been brainwashed completely to accept any narrative the corrupt media tells them. The media wants you to defend being involved in this war, and you just eat it up, parroting everything they tell you. For a genius like me, this is infuriating, watching the entire population being controlled and having no idea that it's happening.
 
Good deal for the military industrial complex, and look how easy it was to manipulate you. Americans are a completely brainwashed engineered population laughing at countries like NK for the propaganda when they themselves have been brainwashed completely to accept any narrative the corrupt media tells them. The media wants you to defend being involved in this war, and you just eat it up, parroting everything they tell you. For a genius like me, this is infuriating, watching the entire population being controlled and having no idea that it's happening.

As opposed to Russia and China? bastions of freedom that are so democratic they don't need elections anymore.

War isn't good, but if you let the world rule be "strong guy always wins" then China and Russia will start bullying everyone causing trouble and starting a new cold war.
 
As opposed to Russia and China? bastions of freedom that are so democratic they don't need elections anymore.

War isn't good, but if you let the world rule be "strong guy always wins" then China and Russia will start bullying everyone causing trouble and starting a new cold war.

You're justifying your involvement with silliness. Why did we let the strong USA win in Iraq? Maybe we should have all attacked you? The US doesn't bully weak countries, they just infiltrate the corrupt governments and cause them to be in perpetual debt for eternity, I guess that's better? A war in Ukraine is a war in Ukraine, you can't try to expand it beyond what it is based on nothing but your imagination.

the US is the biggest threat to world security, and China is second.
 
Wow you're such a genius. STFU

F-ing morons self proclaiming themselves a genius on a karate forum. <Lmaoo>

Not just a genius, but as a member of the Prometheus society, I am far beyond the average Genius. Listen to my words and learn.
 
Millions of Ukrainians have fled? Yes that's because you might not have noticed that Ukraine is being bombed into the stone age by Russia. So millions of women and children have fled. But Russia is not being bombed but 700,000 fighting age men bought one way tickets out of Russia to escape mobilisation. And even despite women being free to leave Ukraine many are choosing to stay and fight.

We don't really have any good information about how many military age men left Ukraine. We do know that their exit was banned by law immediately, but perhaps a million Ukrainian guest workers were in Russia, and many also in other countries. We don't really know how many of these returned to fight. We do know the Ukrainian state has been attempting to get European countries to return draftees.
 
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