International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[Rational Poster]

If you need to tell yourself that to sleep at night, go for it. IQ's dont lie.

IQ doesn't mean shit if you spent your whole life living in a basement not cleaning up after yourself.

You can test a high IQ and still be a completely vapid, useless person. Devoid of any useful information or skills.

IQ at best can be a barometer for potential, but it doesn't mean you're actually smart and know things or have skills.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

IQ doesn't mean shit if you spent your whole life living in a basement not cleaning up after yourself.

You can test a high IQ and still be a completely vapid, useless person. Devoid of any useless information or skills.

IQ at best can be a barometer for potential, but it doesn't mean you're actually smart and know things or have skills.

Yeah I work in welfare and there are plenty of people I've had over the years who have a high IQ and are intelligent academically but lack basic common sense.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

I'm not American dude.

You're pro Ukrainians surrendering part of their country, you can't seem to get your head around people wanting to fight so hard for land when they could give it up and survive, which I suspect is your autism making it hard for you to relate to the emotions involved.

Yes, anyone with a different opinion is dumb, autistic, pro Russian etc. Poor American simians are so blind. I actually have more empathy than you, because I truly understand the situation, unlike the angry basement dwellers on here campaigning for a never ending war they will never be involved in. Man is capable of as much atrocity as he has imagination. Conviction, it turns out, is a luxury of those on the sidelines. You want the war to continue because you're not involved and you can't put yourself there or understand what it would be like.

I am pro Ukrainians losing part of their country because that is the only way this is going to end, and Americans are having trouble accepting that. Almost every military leader knows this and has stated such. There is no scenario where Ukraine regains all of their land, truly you must understand this.

I am looking out for the civilians of Ukraine. I want a deal, a solution, an end to the fighting. Yes, it will involve concessions, but ultimately that is how it's going to end no matter what. You need to accept this, and once you do, you will be able to see the best course of action as I have.

I feel the pain of the peaceful citizens who don't want any part of this war, but are stuck without a way out. The American government does not care about the lives of Ukrainians. They use Ukrainians are cannon fodder to further their own political and military agenda. Ultimately it comes down to military industrial complex in need of these constant wars in order to feed itself and survive, a sad fact that Americans can't come to grips with. You need war, that's why you're in Ukraine. That's why you leave behind all of your weapons when you leave,. That's why you constantly look for more ways to get involved in wars, send weapons, money, supplies etc. It's all to feed your corrupt system and military.

You do not care about the lives of Ukrainians, and your involvement is only killing more civilians.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes, anyone with a different opinion is dumb, autistic, pro Russian etc. Poor American simians are so blind. I actually have more empathy than you, because I truly understand the situation, unlike the angry basement dwellers on here campaigning for a never ending war they will never be involved in. Man is capable of as much atrocity as he has imagination. Conviction, it turns out, is a luxury of those on the sidelines. You want the war to continue because you're not involved and you can't put yourself there or understand what it would be like.

I am pro Ukrainians losing part of their country because that is the only way this is going to end, and Americans are having trouble accepting that. Almost every military leader knows this and has stated such. There is no scenario where Ukraine regains all of their land, truly you must understand this.

I am looking out for the civilians of Ukraine. I want a deal, a solution, an end to the fighting. Yes, it will involve concessions, but ultimately that is how it's going to end no matter what. You need to accept this, and once you do, you will be able to see the best course of action as I have.

I feel the pain of the peaceful citizens who don't want any part of this war, but are stuck without a way out. The American government does not care about the lives of Ukrainians. They use Ukrainians are cannon fodder to further their own political and military agenda. Ultimately it comes down to military industrial complex in need of these constant wars in order to feed itself and survive, a sad fact that Americans can't come to grips with. You need war, that's why you're in Ukraine. That's why you leave behind all of your weapons when you leave,. That's why you constantly look for more ways to get involved in wars, send weapons, money, supplies etc. It's all to feed your corrupt system and military.

You do not care about the lives of Ukrainians, and your involvement is only killing more civilians.

it's funny you call other people angry basement dwellers when that's literally you. lmao

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

it's funny you call other people angry basement dwellers when that's literally you. lmao

I am not angry nor do I live in a basement, try to keep up. Petty personal attacks are not something I'm interested in, I'm here to talk about Ukraine. Your pathetic attempts to dissuade me are not going to work.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yes, anyone with a different opinion is dumb, autistic, pro Russian etc. Poor American simians are so blind. I actually have more empathy than you, because I truly understand the situation, unlike the angry basement dwellers on here campaigning for a never ending war they will never be involved in. Man is capable of as much atrocity as he has imagination. Conviction, it turns out, is a luxury of those on the sidelines. You want the war to continue because you're not involved and you can't put yourself there or understand what it would be like.

I am pro Ukrainians losing part of their country because that is the only way this is going to end, and Americans are having trouble accepting that. Almost every military leader knows this and has stated such. There is no scenario where Ukraine regains all of their land, truly you must understand this.

I am looking out for the civilians of Ukraine. I want a deal, a solution, an end to the fighting. Yes, it will involve concessions, but ultimately that is how it's going to end no matter what. You need to accept this, and once you do, you will be able to see the best course of action as I have.

I feel the pain of the peaceful citizens who don't want any part of this war, but are stuck without a way out. The American government does not care about the lives of Ukrainians. They use Ukrainians are cannon fodder to further their own political and military agenda. Ultimately it comes down to military industrial complex in need of these constant wars in order to feed itself and survive, a sad fact that Americans can't come to grips with. You need war, that's why you're in Ukraine. That's why you leave behind all of your weapons when you leave,. That's why you constantly look for more ways to get involved in wars, send weapons, money, supplies etc. It's all to feed your corrupt system and military.

You do not care about the lives of Ukrainians, and your involvement is only killing more civilians.

I already said I'm not American lol.

I don't think autism is a bad thing, it just means you see the world differently from me and that's fine. The bit I think you don't get is that you see that people are in danger and rightly empathise with that but miss that history is littered with cases where people were willing to lay their lives on the line when it wouldn't necessarily seem logical for them to do so.

 

[Rational Poster]

I am not angry nor do I live in a basement, try to keep up. Petty personal attacks are not something I'm interested in, I'm here to talk about Ukraine. Your pathetic attempts to dissuade me are not going to work.

Petty personal attacks is all you've brought.

All your posts are; you're all so dumb and I'm so smart and starcraft and Kremlim propaganda lmao.

Do you really need us to post your post history again?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Petty personal attacks is all you've brought.

All your posts are; you're all so dumb and I'm so smart and starcraft and Kremlim propaganda lmao.

Do you really need us to post your post history again?

I have never once brought up the multitude of utterly dumb shit you have said on this website, nor do I care to. You're the one talking about things I have said in the past, bringing up post history, etc. I have said a lot of things, some of it turns out to be correct, some of it doesn't, because I can't see the future. I can only see the present and extrapolate possible futures. I rarely speak in absolutes, I just give my opinion on possibilities. The possibility of the escalation of the war to the use of nuclear weapons is something I've been concerned with from the beginning. That is the main reason I believe we should not be involved in this war.

 

[Rational Poster]

I have never once brought up the multitude of utterly dumb shit you have said on this website, nor do I care to. You're the one talking about things I have said in the past, bringing up post history, etc. I have said a lot of things, some of it turns out to be correct, some of it doesn't, because I can't see the future. I can only see the present and extrapolate possible futures. I rarely speak in absolutes, I just give my opinion on possibilities. The possibility of the escalation of the war to the use of nuclear weapons is something I've been concerned with from the beginning. That is the main reason I believe we should not be involved in this war.

Yeah we bring up your post history because it undercuts a lot of your position and your attempt to offer your opinions as though they are valid and should be considered.

You are a man child that isn't as smart as you seem to think you are. How about instead of worrying about a nuclear war that isn't going to happen, continue to rot your brain and waste your years watching anime?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Yeah we bring up your post history because it undercuts a lot of your position and attempt to offer your opinion as though it were valid.

You are a man child that isn't as smart as you seem to think you are. How about instead of worrying about a nuclear war that isn't going to happen, continue to rot your brain and waste your years watching anime?

Now I'm a man child rotting my brain and wasting my years watching anime? What utterly pathetic statement will you make next I wonder.
A nuclear war can happen, and people like you who believe that the Americans can provoke anyone at any time without repercussions is the reason we very well may have a nuclear war.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Good deal for the military industrial complex, and look how easy it was to manipulate you. Americans are a completely brainwashed engineered population laughing at countries like NK for the propaganda when they themselves have been brainwashed completely to accept any narrative the corrupt media tells them. The media wants you to defend being involved in this war, and you just eat it up, parroting everything they tell you. For a genius like me, this is infuriating, watching the entire population being controlled and having no idea that it's happening.

Oh dear

 

[USA!USA!]

I do think that on this board there is a bit of a correlation between people supporting Russia and people I strongly suspect are autistic.

I don't have anything against autism and I think autistic people have a lot to offer but I find it curious.

I agree wholeheartedly! I wasn't joking

 

[Hog-train]

I am pro Ukrainians losing part of their country because that is the only way this is going to end, and Americans are having trouble accepting that. Almost every military leader knows this and has stated such. There is no scenario where Ukraine regains all of their land, truly you must understand this.

I am looking out for the civilians of Ukraine. I want a deal, a solution, an end to the fighting. Yes, it will involve concessions, but ultimately that is how it's going to end no matter what. You need to accept this, and once you do, you will be able to see the best course of action as I have.

Ukraine is unlikely to get back Crimea, but you're pushing for conciliation and appeasement now. That means Russia keeps it's Eastern territories and Crimea. That means Russia's aggression essentially won and the ends justifies the means for Putin.

This will only embolden him to keep doing similar shit again and again. Messing with the Baltic countries and every other former Soviet Republic.

He's not just going to be satisfied with "just" Crimea and the Eastern part of Ukraine. He's going to eventually annex all of Ukraine eventually if we don't help.

Putin has literally said multiple times (even to George Bush years ago) - that Ukraine is "not a real country. "

How do I know that? Recent history.

Putin invaded Georgia and annexed 20% of their land. NATO didn't do anything.

Putin annexed Crimea in 2014. NATO didn't do anything (other than minor sanctions.) He keeps pushing it and pushing it because he didn't think we'd do anything. Every time the West doesn't do anything, he keeps pushing.

Well he seriously miscalculated this time.

I feel the pain of the peaceful citizens who don't want any part of this war, but are stuck without a way out. The American government does not care about the lives of Ukrainians. They use Ukrainians are cannon fodder to further their own political and military agenda. Ultimately it comes down to military industrial complex in need of these constant wars in order to feed itself and survive, a sad fact that Americans can't come to grips with. You need war, that's why you're in Ukraine. That's why you leave behind all of your weapons when you leave,. That's why you constantly look for more ways to get involved in wars, send weapons, money, supplies etc. It's all to feed your corrupt system and military.

We're giving away old equipment that were about to be decommissioned and Abrams tanks that were just sitting in stockpiles. Literally everything we're giving as military aid is not new. So not exactly this huge giveaway to the military industrial complex like you're dishonestly trying to portray. We're not spending new taxpayer money for military hardware.

On top of that, we would have spent a lot more money in future conflicts directly defending neighboring Eastern European NATO countries like Poland in the future - We're required by treaty to directly defend the NATO countries. That would cost a serious fortune.

As opposed to the amount of aid we're giving now - it's a bargain if it cripples Russia's military capability. Because that's what's happening now - Russia will never be seen as a pre-eminent military power anymore. They're showing how weak their military actually is.

Putin is losing his standing and respect in the world. Both the President of Turkey and Kyrgyzstan making Putin wait awkwardly for meetings.

 

[Rational Poster]

Now I'm a man child rotting my brain and wasting my years watching anime? What utterly pathetic statement will you make next I wonder.
A nuclear war can happen, and people like you who believe that the Americans can provoke anyone at any time without repercussions is the reason we very well may have a nuclear war.

Correct.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Ukraine is unlikely to get back Crimea, but you're pushing for conciliation and appeasement now. That means Russia keeps it's Eastern territories and Crimea. That means Russia's aggression essentially won and the ends justifies the means for Putin.

This will only embolden him to keep doing similar shit again and again. Messing with the Baltic countries and every other former Soviet Republic.

He's not just going to be satisfied with "just" Crimea and the Eastern part of Ukraine.

How do I know that? Recent history.

Putin invaded Georgia and annexed 20% of their land. NATO didn't do anything.

Putin annexed Crimea in 2014. NATO didn't do anything other than minor sanctions. He keeps pushing it and pushing it because he didn't think we'd do anything. Every time the West doesn't do anything, he keeps pushing.

Well he seriously miscalculated this time.



We're giving away old equipment that were about to be decommissioned and Abrams tanks that were just sitting in stockpiles. Literally everything we're giving as military aid is not new. So not exactly this huge giveaway to the military industrial complex. We're not spending new money for military hardware.

On top of that, we would have spent a lot more money in future conflicts directly defending neighboring Eastern European NATO countries like Poland in the future - We're reuired by treaty to directly defend the NATO countries. That would cost a serious fortune.

As opposed to the amount of aid we're giving now - it's a bargain if it cripples Russia's military capability. Because that's what's happening now - Russia will never be seen as a pre-eminent military power anymore. They're showing how weak their military actually is.

Putin is losing his standing and respect in the world. Both the President of Turkey and Kyrgyzstan making Putin wait awkwardly for meetings.

Putin waiting for 45 seconds means Putin is losing his standing? At this point I honestly believe the media could convince you of anything.

 

[Hog-train]

Putin waiting for 45 seconds means Putin is losing his standing? At this point I honestly believe the media could convince you of anything.

He is losing his standing. You say you're this genius and you don't realize little slights like that on an international geopolitical scale matters A LOT. You don't make a sitting President lose face like that - unless you don't respect them as much. If you don't think that matters (or it's not intentional) you're stupid. They played that stuff over and over in the media. That's an international embarrassment in Russia media.

Russia's military that everybody was scared of is showing how pathetic it is. It literally had 10x the size of Ukraine's military and couldn't steamroll them like everyone thought would happen. Even though they're literally next door neighbors.

In any conventional war, NATO would absolutely crush Russia. That's what Russia showed with it's incompetence.

 

[Cid]

There is no way to effectively find the morale of the population. That's why anyone claiming they want this war is talking out of their ass.

It's called independent polling. Been around for a very long time. Plays a massive role in forming the policy and decisions of democratic governments.

Would have thought a genius would know basic stuff like this.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

He is losing his standing. Russia's military that everybody was scared of is showing how pathetic it is. It literally had 10x the size of Ukraine's military and couldn't steamroll them like everyone thought would happen. Even though they're literally next door neighbors.

In any conventional war, NATO would absolutely crush Russia. That's what Russia showed with it's incompetence.

He is losing his standing, but him waiting for 45 seconds has nothing to do with it. This is absolute proof you will buy into anything.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

We're giving away old equipment that were about to be decommissioned and Abrams tanks that were just sitting in stockpiles. Literally everything we're giving as military aid is not new. So not exactly this huge giveaway to the military industrial complex like you're dishonestly trying to portray. We're not spending new taxpayer money for military hardware.

U.S. readies $2 billion-plus Ukraine aid package with longer-range weapons -sources (msn.com)

Open your eyes my friend

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

It's called independent polling. Been around for a very long time. Plays a massive role in forming the policy and decisions of democratic governments.

Would have thought a genius would know basic stuff like this.

I know polling is not a legit way to gain information because it's often bias and only representative of a very small fraction of people. You probably believed Hilary Clinton had a 99% chance of winning the election as well.