International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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I think all the jet fighter debates we're seeing on the news is not going to have any effect on the war anytime soon. The time it takes for training and logistics for them to have any effect will be more than 1-2 years later. Much later than the upcoming (and probably decisive) Spring offensive coming soon. Jet fighters are more for long term security of Ukraine - possibly after the war.

The much more impactful aid will be the long range precision missiles and if the West would be willing to supply them. Currently, the HIMARS cannot hit Crimea targets unless they get to the border. If the West just gave them the longer range missiles, Ukraine would be able to hit all Crimean targets from their current positions. That will have a devastating effect on the supply lines in Crimea as well as missile launch sites there.

Agreed. Even if they got a sizable fleet of fighter jets right now with trained pilots it would not make much difference at the front. Ukraine is not going to gain air superiority no matter how many and what planes they get.
 
Agreed. Even if they got a sizable fleet of fighter jets right now with trained pilots it would not make much difference at the front. Ukraine is not going to gain air superiority no matter how many and what planes they get.
thats true, but they just have to deny russia air superiority, which they are able to do provided they have sufficient anti air missiles.
 
thats true, but they just have to deny russia air superiority, which they are able to do provided they have sufficient anti air missiles.

Almost hilarious how badly Russian air force and ground launched long range missiles failed at wiping out Ukrainian air defence assets during the first few hours of the invasion.
 
Agreed. Even if they got a sizable fleet of fighter jets right now with trained pilots it would not make much difference at the front. Ukraine is not going to gain air superiority no matter how many and what planes they get.
A good thing that this War is teaching people is that it takes a lot of patience to wait for troops and equipment to Respawn…irl
 
2 billion - even 50 billion is pennies if it means relegating one of the world's biggest threats back to 3rd world status.

We spent 2 trillion in Iraq (which I didn't agree with at all.) What we have spent in Ukraine is nothing in comparison. It's a complete bargain. We're not actually fighting and relegating a huge global threat to possible regime change in the future. 100% BARGAIN.

And again, the media is saying we spent 50 billion so far. But that's not actually correct. They're counting the original price tag on OLD EQUIPMENT as what we "spent." But we didn't actually spend it in today's dollars. We spent it like 30 years ago and giving them the used hardware.

I actually want the US to help them more with the newest missile systems.
It's not worth trying to educate fools. So many people still think the US is sending them "bags of money" that could be spent on our country. Not excess munitions, etc that cost around 5% of our defense budget. And are supplying US companies work constructing more and restocking them.
 
It isn't worth to discuss with idiots....

They are thinking that old gear that anyway should had been replaced with new + if remained in warehouses taxpayers should had to pay money for .....utilisation....
Now: just transport expenses and Ukr is utilising this stuff for free.
Taxpayers money is saved and plebs still are angry. Will they ate 50-30 years old shells and other stuff?
 
Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months

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"A former Kremlin official has admitted Russia now only has half of its elite airborne troops since invading Ukraine.

Putin’s elite paratrooper squad, known as the VDV, had already been decimated before his mobilisation of 2,000,000 troops in September 2022.

The revelation comes from Mikhail Zvinchuk, a former military press official and creator of the Rybar channel on Telegram, who revealed the news on Russian state TV.

‘Many are saying that you can’t see the airborne troops on the frontline,’ he said.


Unfortunately, this is the objective reality – by the start of mobilisation, our airborne forces lost 40-50 percent of staff.

He added: ‘As of now, out of the old and tested formations with designated equipment, not that many are remaining.’

It was known the VDV had sustained heavy losses and were noticeably absent from the frontlines, but the true scale of their decimation was not publicly known.

Russia’s airborne forces led the country’s military in the initial advance into Ukraine in February 2022."

Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months (msn.com)

40 to 50% GONE?!?!

That must've been one helluva feint into Kyiv!

<{katwhu}>

Starcraft tactics!

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Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months

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"A former Kremlin official has admitted Russia now only has half of its elite airborne troops since invading Ukraine.

Putin’s elite paratrooper squad, known as the VDV, had already been decimated before his mobilisation of 2,000,000 troops in September 2022.

The revelation comes from Mikhail Zvinchuk, a former military press official and creator of the Rybar channel on Telegram, who revealed the news on Russian state TV.

‘Many are saying that you can’t see the airborne troops on the frontline,’ he said.


Unfortunately, this is the objective reality – by the start of mobilisation, our airborne forces lost 40-50 percent of staff.

He added: ‘As of now, out of the old and tested formations with designated equipment, not that many are remaining.’

It was known the VDV had sustained heavy losses and were noticeably absent from the frontlines, but the true scale of their decimation was not publicly known.

Russia’s airborne forces led the country’s military in the initial advance into Ukraine in February 2022."

Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months (msn.com)

40 to 50% GONE?!?!

That must've been one helluva feint into Kyiv!

<{katwhu}>

Starcraft tactics!

<seedat>

These guys need to brush up on their starc4aft for real
 
Veteran US reporter of Russian descent - Fullbright scholar. Talks about Putin and how all this came about starting with Western inaction during George Bush's presidency. Pretty fascinating interview. All of this woman's interviews about Russia are fascinating.

It is a great video, and she is one hot babe! {<tongue}
 
We for example had sent to Ukr old stuff previously intended to be replaced anyway....
We don't want to have 20 y.o Stinger missile after 2 nd refubrishment in factory etc like stuff....

While yeah, we paid real money for artillery shells if they were new and not casual cheap stuff.
Like Excalibur or BB type extended range shells...

BTW Germany doesn't allow to send some kind of ammunition to Ukr.
F.e it is cluster ammo for 155 mm shells produced in Germany before 1996 th.... etc stuff.
 
Agreed. Even if they got a sizable fleet of fighter jets right now with trained pilots it would not make much difference at the front. Ukraine is not going to gain air superiority no matter how many and what planes they get.
Naw, if they had large bunch with USSR era airplanes in working condition, they might create nightmare for Russia in Ukraine.....

While Russia doesn't have air superiority in Ukraine at all + Ukr still are able to use helicopters and Su 25, Mig 29 and Su 24.... even today....

The biggest problem for Russia in air warfare is....
Ukr still does have Buk batteries and S-300 batteries and some missiles for them...

When they will be used all.....Russia will be capable to conduct Alepo type or Dresden 1945 th scenario....
 
Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months

AA16Zgtg.img




"A former Kremlin official has admitted Russia now only has half of its elite airborne troops since invading Ukraine.

Putin’s elite paratrooper squad, known as the VDV, had already been decimated before his mobilisation of 2,000,000 troops in September 2022.

The revelation comes from Mikhail Zvinchuk, a former military press official and creator of the Rybar channel on Telegram, who revealed the news on Russian state TV.

‘Many are saying that you can’t see the airborne troops on the frontline,’ he said.


Unfortunately, this is the objective reality – by the start of mobilisation, our airborne forces lost 40-50 percent of staff.

He added: ‘As of now, out of the old and tested formations with designated equipment, not that many are remaining.’

It was known the VDV had sustained heavy losses and were noticeably absent from the frontlines, but the true scale of their decimation was not publicly known.

Russia’s airborne forces led the country’s military in the initial advance into Ukraine in February 2022."

Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months (msn.com)

40 to 50% GONE?!?!

That must've been one helluva feint into Kyiv!

<{katwhu}>

Starcraft tactics!

<seedat>


This is why they need to revamp theyre doctrine. Airborn infantry shouldn't operate like Zerg
 
IQ doesn't mean shit if you spent your whole life living in a basement not cleaning up after yourself.

You can test a high IQ and still be a completely vapid, useless person. Devoid of any useful information or skills.

IQ at best can be a barometer for potential, but it doesn't mean you're actually smart and know things or have skills.
Ergo, instead of bragging about a high paying engineering job, or a degree at a prestigious institution, he has to brag about membership in an organization that does what? Research and publishing articles? No?
 
Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months

AA16Zgtg.img




"A former Kremlin official has admitted Russia now only has half of its elite airborne troops since invading Ukraine.

Putin’s elite paratrooper squad, known as the VDV, had already been decimated before his mobilisation of 2,000,000 troops in September 2022.

The revelation comes from Mikhail Zvinchuk, a former military press official and creator of the Rybar channel on Telegram, who revealed the news on Russian state TV.

‘Many are saying that you can’t see the airborne troops on the frontline,’ he said.


Unfortunately, this is the objective reality – by the start of mobilisation, our airborne forces lost 40-50 percent of staff.

He added: ‘As of now, out of the old and tested formations with designated equipment, not that many are remaining.’

It was known the VDV had sustained heavy losses and were noticeably absent from the frontlines, but the true scale of their decimation was not publicly known.

Russia’s airborne forces led the country’s military in the initial advance into Ukraine in February 2022."

Half of Putin's elite airborne troops 'wiped out' in just six months (msn.com)

40 to 50% GONE?!?!

That must've been one helluva feint into Kyiv!

<{katwhu}>

Starcraft tactics!

<seedat>
40% to 50% attrition includes all casualties. Usually the KIA to wounded ratio is 1:4. Russia used VDV as spearhead units during the initial YOLO assault and they took the blunt of the Ukrainian counterattacks. Any unit that suffers more than 25% casualty rate will become combat ineffective, regardless of how "elite" you are.

In short, the VDV are crippled at the moment and it will be years before they can rebuild.

This is why they need to revamp theyre doctrine. Airborn infantry shouldn't operate like Zerg
They didn't. Putin's miscalculation doomed them. They were supposed to quickly seize airfields and important objectives around Kyiv and were not ready for the kind of heavy opposition they encountered. They were expecting light Ukrainian resistance but instead faced an organized army.

Once they lost speed and initiative, their light armour vehicles couldn't hang with the heavier Ukrainian mechanized infantry. Also, their formations have smaller numbers than regular Russian units, rendering them ineffective quickly as they took casualties.
 
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The same Buk does have plenty of iterations. It had been modernised multiple times.

Ukr mainly does have stuff with 1980-1991 production. Not for export versions produced for USSR only.

So, how capable is this stuff?
Buk battery might deNazify airplanes from AN-2 biplane till Su -35 or Mig 31.

Might deNazify Kalibr missile IF does knows where it is...
Might deNazify Thocka missile IF they does knows where stike is intended ...
Easily might deNazify Tu 22 ....
Proved reality...
 
Something tells me Russia running low on pro Putin lap dogs new conscript "yes that is still an thing" are setting up anti-Putin fighting force as they are being dragged into war. Unlike the Wagner group where anyone looks the wrong way will be shot Russian soldiers are really an unhappy bunch.
 
40% to 50% attrition includes all casualties. Usually the KIA to wounded ratio is 1:4. Russia used VDV as spearhead units during the initial YOLO assault and they took the blunt of the Ukrainian counterattacks. Any unit that suffers more than 25% casualty rate will become combat ineffective, regardless of how "elite" you are.

In short, the VDV are crippled at the moment and it will be years before they can rebuild.
Wagner does have more than 60% and anyway are capable to hire new meat....
 
Wagner does have more than 60% and anyway are capable to hire new meat....
25% at any given time, not across the whole length of the war.

As long as you keep casualties low and maintain a core of veterans, new recruits can be brought up to speed relatively quickly.

Something tells me Russia running low on pro Putin lap dogs new conscript "yes that is still an thing" are setting up anti-Putin fighting force as they are being dragged into war. Unlike the Wagner group where anyone looks the wrong way will be shot Russian soldiers are really an unhappy bunch.
The Russian regular grunts have little motivation to fight. If Wagner mercs are getting 5x the pay doing the same job, why would you risk your neck? That is also a source of hostility between Wagner and the Russian military.
 
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