International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

[SandisLL]

The sound blast created by RPG -7 etc like stuff is relatively low.

It is nothing for example if to compare with rifled 50+ caliber high pressure gun.
Like models Chechs and USSR had in 1950 ies.
LOL, there yeah....
Bamm.....

 

[Anewt]

Ukraine would never agree to negotiate and let the current borders stand. What complete BS you're spouting. Ukrainian morale is still pretty high and they're willing to fight tooth and nail.

There's no way to tell Ukrainian morale mate. The media control is impressive. Judging by the new punishments in laws regarding desertion and avoiding conscription , disobedience etc ( hreatening higher ranks ) I'd say it's not as high as they portray. You don't increase jail times on that stuff unless the previous laws were viewed as a inadequate deterrent.

I've said this for ages. Being forced to fight this brutally in the donbas region will not help morale. It's almost where it was when this shit began, people weren't signing up to fight the Russians ( seperatists ) there throughout the conflict for 8 years.

Without a doubt for some morale is high and determination would be high to keep fighting. There would be countless who've lost loved ones and wish to fight. ( I'd assume )

For regular guys forced there? Taken away from their families? Getting sent to a war that for all intents and purposes has been going on for 9 years.... might be a tough sell. ( I assume )

 

[SandisLL]

There's no way to tell Ukrainian morale mate. The media control is impressive. Judging by the new punishments in laws regarding desertion and avoiding conscription , disobedience etc ( hreatening higher ranks ) I'd say it's not as high as they portray. You don't increase jail times on that stuff unless the previous laws were viewed as inadequate.

I've said this for ages. Being forced to fight this brutally in the donbas region will not help morale. It's almost where it was when this shit began, people weren't signing up to fight the Russians ( seperatists ) there throughout the conflict for 8 years.

Without a doubt for some morale is high and determination would be high to keep fighting. There would be countless who've lost loved ones and wish to fight. ( I'd assume )

For regular guys forced there? Taken away from their families? Getting sent to a war that for all intents and purposes has been going on for 9 years.... might be a tough sell. ( I assume )

Ohh, yeah my dear friend.....
You are advocating Ukraine to surround of course, mate.

What thing you are thinking about " mobiks " in Russia, comrade with Aussie IP?

Mobiks are guys who had served mandatory military services as conscripts.
Putin now does have batch with conscripts from mandatory autumn conscription and ~220 000 mobiks yet didn't had been used in Ukr.
+ add here Wagner meat grinder and guys from " republics ".

Putin ofc will order to take as much territories as it is possible till may....

It is cool to love Russia whe you are in cubicle not in minefield shelled by Grad and mortars etc beauty.

 

[Anewt]

Ohh, yeah my dear friend.....
You are advocating Ukraine to surround of course, mate.

What thing you are thinking about " mobiks " in Russia, comrade with Aussie IP?

Mobiks are guys who had served mandatory military services as conscripts.
Putin now does have batch with conscripts from mandatory autumn conscription and ~220 000 mobiks yet didn't had been used in Ukr.
+ add here Wagner meat grinder and guys from " republics ".

Putin ofc will order to take as much territories as it is possible till may....

It is cool to love Russia whe you are in cubicle not in minefield shelled by Grad and mortars etc beauty.

Yawn doing the vague iP threats again SandisLL? You really need to pull your head in sometimes.

No Ukraine should not surrender, that would be a complete waste of the sacrifices already made. Couldn't imagine anything worse actually.

And yes I also have sympathy for the Russians conscripts being forced to die as well . How horrible of me. The Wagner prisoners? Eh not so much.

( would obviously depend on their crimes. But from what I've read theyre usually heinous on the few whom I've heard their crimes )

 

[SandisLL]

You most likely even don't know what stuff is bobby trap and minefield.

Even in USSR era there were anti handling devices for mines and mines with pressure release activation mechanism.
To create simple bobby trap.
You remove 1 mine and vuala....there will be PoP and Bahh...
Cos under mine another mine is placed.....
Simple and super fast mining with this flowchart....

Then IEDs....
From simple and crude till level above serial military production.
Size: from 50 grams TNT till.... more than 200 kg plastic stuff....
Damn...
.
deNazify is so super easy from cubicle in chair ....not when you are in dumbass to fight for oligarchs and posting how cool might be to surround and ....sorry ...with time to cede all country to Russia anyway....
This ....

Russia already had lost financial and energy war vs EU....
Will be appendix for China and India.
To deliver commodities....

 

[Hog-train]

There's no way to tell Ukrainian morale mate. The media control is impressive. Judging by the new punishments in laws regarding desertion and avoiding conscription , disobedience etc ( hreatening higher ranks ) I'd say it's not as high as they portray. You don't increase jail times on that stuff unless the previous laws were viewed as a inadequate deterrent.

I've said this for ages. Being forced to fight this brutally in the donbas region will not help morale. It's almost where it was when this shit began, people weren't signing up to fight the Russians ( seperatists ) there throughout the conflict for 8 years.

Without a doubt for some morale is high and determination would be high to keep fighting. There would be countless who've lost loved ones and wish to fight. ( I'd assume )

For regular guys forced there? Taken away from their families? Getting sent to a war that for all intents and purposes has been going on for 9 years.... might be a tough sell. ( I assume )

Yes you're right - no guaranteed way to tell how high morale is. And I take anything the media says with a huge grain of salt.

I'm mostly going by anecdotal interviews with soldiers (both Ukrainian and foreign volunteers.) And also the number of Ukrainians that signed up at the beginning.

I think I can confidently say that the Ukrainians morale is higher than the Russians though.

 

[The Last King]

I think I can confidently say that the Ukrainians morale if higher than the Russians though.

Based on what?

 

[SandisLL]

Looks that Ukraine most likely started to use USSR 1988 th textbooks for minefields + are adding IEDs etc and doubling bobby traps....
Anyone here supporting Russia might easily to apply to be enrolled and to do deNazification in dumbass...
Instead to support Russia from comfortable chairs in cubicles.

 

[Anewt]

Yes you're right - no guaranteed way to tell how high morale is. And I take anything the media says with a huge grain of salt.

I'm mostly going by anecdotal interviews with soldiers (both Ukrainian and foreign volunteers.) And also the number of Ukrainians that signed up at the beginning.

I think I can confidently say that the Ukrainians morale if higher than the Russians though.

I would agree the Ukrainian morale would be the higher of the two. But I think sadly when this is all done and dusted we're all going to be shocked in regards to casualties and treatment of some Ukrainian civilians turned soldiers.

I think you'd have to be a extremely foolish ( or brave ) Ukrainian to release any information that could possibly be taken as diminishing Ukraine. ( be it politically or militarily)

I hope I'm wrong though

 

[Hog-train]

Based on what?

Growing anti-war protests by Russian citizens (don't see any anti-war protests among Ukrainians.) Russia having to use mercenaries because they can't get enough soldiers. Russians using convicts as soldiers. Also plenty of leaked phone calls and radio messages from Russian soldiers on the front lines saying how fucked they are or how they want to go home or how they're not getting enough support (it's all over Youtube and Reddit.)

Higher Russian casualty rates. Plus higher desertion rates. There's a reason Ukraine was able to recover so much Russian hardware - the soldiers ran away.

Then the Russians are having to recruit from far flung Siberia and places like Dagestan. Much more than from places like Russia and St. Petersburg. Because Putin doesn't want even more anti-war sentiment. Then the large number of Russians who have fled the country because they don't want to fight this war.

All these things point to much lower morale among Russians.

 

[aries]

Growing anti-war protests by Russian citizens (don't see any anti-war protests among Ukrainians.) Russia having to use mercenaries because they can't get enough soldiers. Russians using convicts as soldiers. Also plenty of leaked phone calls and radio messages from Russian soldiers on the front lines saying how fucked they are or how they want to go home or how they're not getting enough support (it's all over Youtube and Reddit.)

Higher Russian casualty rates. Plus higher desertion rates. There's a reason Ukraine was able to recover so much Russian hardware - the soldiers ran away.

Then the Russians are having to recruit from far flung Siberia and places like Dagestan. Much more than from places like Russia and St. Petersburg. Because Putin doesn't want even more anti-war sentiment. Then the large number of Russians who have fled the country because they don't want to fight this war.

All these things point to much lower morale among Russians.

The Russians are also recruiting from the far flung provinces because those people matter less. They are far more expendable than proper slavic large city dwelling Russians.

 

[The Last King]

Growing anti-war protests by Russian citizens (don't see any anti-war protests among Ukrainians.) Russia having to use mercenaries because they can't get enough soldiers. Russians using convicts as soldiers. Also plenty of leaked phone calls and radio messages from Russian soldiers on the front lines saying how fucked they are or how they want to go home or how they're not getting enough support (it's all over Youtube and Reddit.)

Higher Russian casualty rates. Plus higher desertion rates. There's a reason Ukraine was able to recover so much Russian hardware - the soldiers ran away.

Then the Russians are having to recruit from far flung Siberia and places like Dagestan. Much more than from places like Russia and St. Petersburg. Because Putin doesn't want even more anti-war sentiment. Then the large number of Russians who have fled the country because they don't want to fight this war.

All these things point to much lower morale among Russians.

News flash: Ukraine is also using Mercenaries, foreign volunteers and prisoners and millions of Ukrainians have fled Ukraine as well and from what I've read the Rusaks and the Ukes have both lost over 150k men in battle but I think Uke casualties are bigger. The only morale the Ukes have over the Russians is that they're "defending their land" but even that is complex in many ways since they're both Slavs and ex soviets who speak Russian and practice Russian Orthodox Christianity.

 

[aries]

Poland also said no to giving F-16s to UA

The GLSDB sounds really useful. Double the range of the HIMARS and can be launched from concealed cover, accurate to within 3 feet.

Sounds like Ukraine is being turned into the world's largest weapons sales demonstration of all time. Call me cynical.

 

[aries]

News flash: Ukraine is also using Mercenaries, foreign volunteers and prisoners and millions of Ukrainians have fled Ukraine as well and from what I've read the Rusaks and the Ukes have both lost over 150k men I'm battle but I think Ukes casualties are bigger. The only morale the Ukes have over the Russians is that they're "defending their land" but even that is complex in many ways since they're both Slavs and ex soviets who speak Russian and practice Russian Orthodox Christianity.

Millions of Ukrainians have fled? Yes that's because you might not have noticed that Ukraine is being bombed into the stone age by Russia. So millions of women and children have fled. But Russia is not being bombed but 700,000 fighting age men bought one way tickets out of Russia to escape mobilisation. And even despite women being free to leave Ukraine many are choosing to stay and fight.

 

[Hog-train]

News flash: Ukraine is also using Mercenaries, foreign volunteers and prisoners and millions of Ukrainians have fled Ukraine as well and from what I've read the Rusaks and the Ukes have both lost over 150k men I'm battle but I think Ukes casualties are bigger. The only morale the Ukes have over the Russians is that they're "defending their land" but even that is complex in many ways since they're both Slavs and ex soviets who speak Russian and practice Russian Orthodox Christianity.

Foreign volunteers are vastly different than the large number of Wagner mercenaries.

Stop trying to twist the truth. Argue in good faith because no one here believes some of the Kremlin propaganda you spew.

 

[Hog-train]

 

[SandisLL]

I really wish to see some from posters here with love for Mr Putin in Dumbass.

Especially IF Ukr will use IEDs like Finland used in 1939....
Will be real fun.

One form how easily might be created IED is to use artillery shell.
Widely used method in Iraq and Afganistan.
Good luck if you will step on sensor and detonator will be triggered ( they aren't like for art shells ). God after this will judge you no one else anymore....

Or " cask ".
It is cool IED for deNazification. Well known since World War 1 stuff.
It is non magnetic IED, where even detonator doesn't have any metal.

3 vessels made from glass ....
Then preparators might isert detonaror in explosive mass, use f.e wood fundament for detonator and the same material for trigger....

Ofc depends from area, casing might be used, like stones etc.
Lack of body for " shell " is compensated with large mass of explosives.

Large " cask " will have such potential: guy stepped on this will be in crematorium and meat grinder for free.
Main battle tank : most likely will need month long repair ....

Metal detector can't detect " cask ".

 

[SandisLL]

To counter " cask " only 2 methods are usable: to watch for any de masking signs and...dog.....
Dog will help if " cask " isn't made by top level pros.

 

[SandisLL]

If about recruiting from remote areas there ofc is also financial reason...

Remote areas does have lower awerage salaries and higher unemployment % than some Moscow or St Pete.

In some small cities unemployment might be even till 50%.
So there is some lad after mandatory service and without job and savings. Guy maybe doesn't want to be criminal and he doesn't have job.....
Empty pockets....
There appeared recruiter and .

Like this....

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Russia doesn't want to take over Ukraine but they won't allow a Bush/Clinton/Obama neo CIA state there either.

Based on what?

Do you watch Vladimir Solovyov? because it takes a special kind of stupid to fall for and actually believe Russian propaganda and it seems to have you hook line and sinker.