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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9
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Begging for negotiations after getting your ass handed to you.
Getting your ass handed aka taking 20% of Ukrainian land.
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Hold on there kid.
You even took up to 25%!
Before you lost 10% again <45> and its not going to stop there.
And thats counting the 2014 occupations aswell
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decod...id-russia-invade-and-then-cede_6005655_8.html
I'm sure you'll get Bahkmut any day now tho
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Ukraine would never agree to negotiate and let the current borders stand. What complete BS you're spouting. Ukrainian morale is still pretty high and they're willing to fight tooth and nail.
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So basically you're saying Ukraine will fight til the last man?
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They'll fight as long as they can and have enough arms to do so.
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I think all the jet fighter debates we're seeing on the news is not going to have any effect on the war anytime soon. The time it takes for training and logistics for them to have any effect will be more than 1-2 years later. Much later than the upcoming (and probably decisive) Spring offensive coming soon. Jet fighters are more for long term security of Ukraine - possibly after the war.
The much more impactful aid will be the long range precision missiles and if the West would be willing to supply them. Currently, the HIMARS cannot hit Crimea targets unless they get to the border. If the West just gave them the longer range missiles, Ukraine would be able to hit all Crimean targets from their current positions. That will have a devastating effect on the supply lines in Crimea as well as missile launch sites there.
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He's merely parroting Kremlin propaganda, almost verbatim.
I just had added him in ignore list.
It works with a glance. It isn't good choice to disscuss with a chatbot using account created by real human.
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Asked about sending weapons to Ukraine, South Korea doesn’t say no
This would be a game changer if South Korea decides to help with weapons. They're currently ranked the 6th out of 145 in the world's military rankings and have huge stockpiles of NATO compatible and modern high tech weapons. They have the only alternative to the US made HIMARS (K239 Chunmoo) that have been so effective so far. This would allow Ukraine to hit high priority targets deep inside Crimea and Russia. Plus have huge numbers of K-2 Black Panther tanks that are probably better than the German Leopards. (K-2 Black Panthers outperformed Leopards in a recent Norway sponsored competition to get their next tank deal.)
Paywall so I copied and pasted below.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/south-korea-ukraine-nuclear-weapons/
SEOUL — South Korea left the door open to reconsidering Seoul’s prohibition against sending weapons to Ukraine, with Defense Minister Lee Jong-sup saying Tuesday that he was aware of the “need for the international effort” and that his government was “directing our close attention” to the situation.
Lee’s remarks, in a news conference here with U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, came a day after NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg urged South Korea to change its policy of exporting defense goods “only for peaceful purposes.”
Countries such as Germany, Norway and others, Stoltenberg said during his own visit here Monday, had changed their stance “because they realized that when you are facing a brutal invasion where a big power — Russia — invades another one in a blatant way as we have seen in Ukraine, if we believe in freedom, if we believe in democracy, if we don’t want autocracy and tyranny to win, then they need weapons.”
South Korea has provided humanitarian and other nonlethal assistance directly to Ukraine. The United States has said North Korea is sending missiles to Russia to supplement its waning supplies.
Seoul was Austin’s first stop on a Pacific swing, to be followed by a two-day visit to the Philippines, where the United States hopes to secure access to key bases to provide strategic positions from which to mount operations in the event of a conflict in Taiwan or the South China Sea.
The trip, Austin’s sixth to the region and third to South Korea, is part of an overall effort to expand Washington’s Indo-Pacific alliances and partnerships as China has increased what a senior defense official called its “sharp uptick in destabilizing … behavior,” including air-to-air intercepts and maritime challenges.
Threats from China, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk about policy matters, are compounded by increased provocation from North Korea, which conducted an unprecedented number of ballistic missile tests last year and has promised this year to expand its nuclear program.
“Together, we condemn these dangerous actions, which violate international law and threaten to destabilize the region,” Austin said of Pyongyang.
He noted that the Biden administration has increased readiness here by “expanding the scope and scale” of combined exercises with South Korean forces, including plans to return to live-fire exercises suspended by the Trump administration.
Last year, “we deployed assets including F-22s, F-35s and the Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group,” Austin said. “We have 28,500 uniformed personnel in South Korea … one of the largest U.S. troop deployments around the world.”
But the secretary sidestepped a question about remarks early this month by South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol that Seoul might need nuclear weapons of its own or would demand redeployment of U.S. nuclear arms on the Korean Peninsula in light of the growing North Korean threat.
Without directly commenting on Yoon’s remarks, Lee said the policy of “extended deterrence” means that even if North Korea does “use their nuclear capabilities, [South] Korea and the United States have the capability to deter their efforts, and also that the United States has the will to deter nuclear weapons.”
The Biden administration has sought to discourage any suggestion that South Korea would develop its own nuclear arsenal, emphasizing that the U.S. defense commitment to Seoul is sacrosanct and sufficient.
It “includes the full range of U.S. defense capabilities, including our conventional, nuclear and missile defense capabilities,” Austin said. The commitment, he said, is “ironclad.”
“It’s not a slogan, it’s what we’re all about.”
Polling has indicated development of a South Korean nuclear deterrent is popular here, but “mainstream politicians have largely stayed away from advocating proliferation,” Stephen Herzog, a senior researcher in nuclear arms control at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, wrote last week in a commentary for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
But increased activities by Pyongyang allow Yoon to “brandish the national security card” and appeal to nationalist sentiment to increase South Korea’s independence from the United States, Herzog said.
Austin and Lee each emphasized the importance they place on new levels of defense cooperation with Japan. “Let me underscore our mutual belief that trilateral cooperation with Japan enhances all of our security,” Austin said.
This would be a game changer if South Korea decides to help with weapons. They're currently ranked the 6th out of 145 in the world's military rankings and have huge stockpiles of NATO compatible and modern high tech weapons. They have the only alternative to the US made HIMARS (K239 Chunmoo) that have been so effective so far. This would allow Ukraine to hit high priority targets deep inside Crimea and Russia. Plus have huge numbers of K-2 Black Panther tanks that are probably better than the German Leopards. (K-2 Black Panthers outperformed Leopards in a recent Norway sponsored competition to get their next tank deal.)
Paywall so I copied and pasted below.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/south-korea-ukraine-nuclear-weapons/
SEOUL — South Korea left the door open to reconsidering Seoul’s prohibition against sending weapons to Ukraine, with Defense Minister Lee Jong-sup saying Tuesday that he was aware of the “need for the international effort” and that his government was “directing our close attention” to the situation.
Lee’s remarks, in a news conference here with U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, came a day after NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg urged South Korea to change its policy of exporting defense goods “only for peaceful purposes.”
Countries such as Germany, Norway and others, Stoltenberg said during his own visit here Monday, had changed their stance “because they realized that when you are facing a brutal invasion where a big power — Russia — invades another one in a blatant way as we have seen in Ukraine, if we believe in freedom, if we believe in democracy, if we don’t want autocracy and tyranny to win, then they need weapons.”
South Korea has provided humanitarian and other nonlethal assistance directly to Ukraine. The United States has said North Korea is sending missiles to Russia to supplement its waning supplies.
Seoul was Austin’s first stop on a Pacific swing, to be followed by a two-day visit to the Philippines, where the United States hopes to secure access to key bases to provide strategic positions from which to mount operations in the event of a conflict in Taiwan or the South China Sea.
The trip, Austin’s sixth to the region and third to South Korea, is part of an overall effort to expand Washington’s Indo-Pacific alliances and partnerships as China has increased what a senior defense official called its “sharp uptick in destabilizing … behavior,” including air-to-air intercepts and maritime challenges.
Threats from China, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk about policy matters, are compounded by increased provocation from North Korea, which conducted an unprecedented number of ballistic missile tests last year and has promised this year to expand its nuclear program.
“Together, we condemn these dangerous actions, which violate international law and threaten to destabilize the region,” Austin said of Pyongyang.
He noted that the Biden administration has increased readiness here by “expanding the scope and scale” of combined exercises with South Korean forces, including plans to return to live-fire exercises suspended by the Trump administration.
Last year, “we deployed assets including F-22s, F-35s and the Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group,” Austin said. “We have 28,500 uniformed personnel in South Korea … one of the largest U.S. troop deployments around the world.”
But the secretary sidestepped a question about remarks early this month by South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol that Seoul might need nuclear weapons of its own or would demand redeployment of U.S. nuclear arms on the Korean Peninsula in light of the growing North Korean threat.
Without directly commenting on Yoon’s remarks, Lee said the policy of “extended deterrence” means that even if North Korea does “use their nuclear capabilities, [South] Korea and the United States have the capability to deter their efforts, and also that the United States has the will to deter nuclear weapons.”
The Biden administration has sought to discourage any suggestion that South Korea would develop its own nuclear arsenal, emphasizing that the U.S. defense commitment to Seoul is sacrosanct and sufficient.
It “includes the full range of U.S. defense capabilities, including our conventional, nuclear and missile defense capabilities,” Austin said. The commitment, he said, is “ironclad.”
“It’s not a slogan, it’s what we’re all about.”
Polling has indicated development of a South Korean nuclear deterrent is popular here, but “mainstream politicians have largely stayed away from advocating proliferation,” Stephen Herzog, a senior researcher in nuclear arms control at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, wrote last week in a commentary for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
But increased activities by Pyongyang allow Yoon to “brandish the national security card” and appeal to nationalist sentiment to increase South Korea’s independence from the United States, Herzog said.
Austin and Lee each emphasized the importance they place on new levels of defense cooperation with Japan. “Let me underscore our mutual belief that trilateral cooperation with Japan enhances all of our security,” Austin said.
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So you don't even deny that Russia wants Ukraine to be a satrapy?
The main purpose why Ukr needs 300 km range missiles isn't even to retake territories or to strike russia.
Russia does knows that Ukr does have very limited stockpile with Thocka missiles. Their real range is 120 km.
Smerch launchers Ukr does have in small numbers and Ukr does have a bit missiles for Smerch with max 90 km real range.
Despite all Ukr and Russian propaganda claims....
Then....
Russia is using tactique to shell with S-300 and S-400 air defense missiles in ground to ground mode....
Cos they doesn't have enough Iskander missiles....
To intercept S-300 missile used in ballistic mode is .....dream for Ukr today.
Despite S-300 used in ground to ground mode isn't precise and does have damn high CEP .....
Russia does have them a lot and might afford to shell with these missiles anything.
It is more difficult to intercept than Thocka ballistic missile .......
Range they usually are using for shelling with S-300 missiles in ground to ground mode is 60-150 km....
Russia does knows that Ukr does have very limited stockpile with Thocka missiles. Their real range is 120 km.
Smerch launchers Ukr does have in small numbers and Ukr does have a bit missiles for Smerch with max 90 km real range.
Despite all Ukr and Russian propaganda claims....
Then....
Russia is using tactique to shell with S-300 and S-400 air defense missiles in ground to ground mode....
Cos they doesn't have enough Iskander missiles....
To intercept S-300 missile used in ballistic mode is .....dream for Ukr today.
Despite S-300 used in ground to ground mode isn't precise and does have damn high CEP .....
Russia does have them a lot and might afford to shell with these missiles anything.
It is more difficult to intercept than Thocka ballistic missile .......
Range they usually are using for shelling with S-300 missiles in ground to ground mode is 60-150 km....
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I mentioned earlier that in posted fin medic video while back there was lots of dumbness from volunteer side in said battle that got volunteers killed.Well reddit and 4chan turned their attention to it since theres quite a lot bs
Good example of how war tourists get people killed.
translated version of events
Good example of how war tourists get people killed.
translated version of events
Ukr actually does have very low number of volunteers from EU countries. Their propaganda ofc do all the best in order to " increase " their number in internet..
We had banned enlisted policemans and national guard's members and army perssonel to travel to Ukraine.
Only diplomats etc.
While other groups of ppl we simply aren't able to control cos technical reasons.
We don't have any passenger transport company selling tickets to Ukr ....
We had banned enlisted policemans and national guard's members and army perssonel to travel to Ukraine.
Only diplomats etc.
While other groups of ppl we simply aren't able to control cos technical reasons.
We don't have any passenger transport company selling tickets to Ukr ....
So from my area one " special specimen " is " volunteering " in Ukraine ..... IN Internet<45>
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Reality is that he is sitting in pubs and chatting in internet.
More than just this: he is so skilled that had 2x failed shooting exam required to get CCW permit.
I know this cos I did exam in group where he was, not from internet....
I will not expose him because despite he is liar....
He really is helping Ukr and a lot.
One thing I can't understand is why he is liar...
In reality he is drinking and partying in Ukr not fighting in trenches.
Ukr doesn't mind cos he is supplying clothing, helping to get spare parts for civilian cars ( like jeeps and trucks ) for free etc and these ammounts are impressive.
+ last week he paid for 30 generators for Ukr...they already are delivered in Ukr.
.Reality is that he is sitting in pubs and chatting in internet.
More than just this: he is so skilled that had 2x failed shooting exam required to get CCW permit.
I know this cos I did exam in group where he was, not from internet....
I will not expose him because despite he is liar
....He really is helping Ukr and a lot.
One thing I can't understand is why he is liar...
In reality he is drinking and partying in Ukr not fighting in trenches.
Ukr doesn't mind cos he is supplying clothing, helping to get spare parts for civilian cars ( like jeeps and trucks ) for free etc and these ammounts are impressive.
+ last week he paid for 30 generators for Ukr...they already are delivered in Ukr.
RPG-7 is possible to fire without hearing protection.
Hearing protection: open mouth a bit.
Does work well.
At least when our anti terrorism unit had these not in wartime stocks but active stock guys were able to fire RPG-7 even with 0 hearing protection.
Hearing protection: open mouth a bit.
Does work well.
At least when our anti terrorism unit had these not in wartime stocks but active stock guys were able to fire RPG-7 even with 0 hearing protection.
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