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International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V9

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Nuclear holocaust isn’t worth over Ukraine. It’s why we haven’t intervened because the of the risk. What makes you think the risk would be lower after he detonates a nuke? It’s a major fucking risk. Hypothetically speaking, if he does drop a nuke, then I wouldn’t be surprised if you reconsider on if we should declare war on Russia or not.
Russia isn't going to nuke Ukraine, they want Ukraine to be apart of their nation. You shouldn't stress out about it there isn't much we can do. China and India could go to nuclear war right now and end all life on Earth.
 
That’s your comeback? Let’s have the world get destroyed with Nukes over Ukraine. Ukraine is worth Nuclear Armageddon. Ok great.
How about draw a larger conclusion about what it means to cede genocide on a 40+ million person nation to a fully autocratic regime that is full of frightening bigotry and zealous views on creating a new Euro-Russian state. That has 100+ year implications on the face of easterm and central Europe, armed conflict all around the periphery and more. This is much more than just grain - this is about thwarting an anti-democratic, anti-capitalist wave of power, fueled by fossil fuel revenue. Does it just stop in Ukraine or is that the beginning? This has to stop in the Donbas and Southern Ukraine and Europe should be sending every last missile, drope and arm it has with a new lend lease program. These aren't nice people that have room for worldviews outside their very myopic, self serving lenses - make no mistake.
 
Nuclear holocaust isn’t worth over Ukraine. It’s why we haven’t intervened because of the risk. What makes you think the risk would be lower after he detonates a nuke? It’s a major fucking risk. Hypothetically speaking, if he does drop a nuke, then I wouldn’t be surprised if you reconsider on if we should declare war on Russia or not.

I get it, you're scared.

It's a case of 'but what if he's totally crazy, we shouldn't challenge him', but unfortunately for you, cowardice is not a way out.
 
Russia isn't going to nuke Ukraine, they want Ukraine to be apart of their nation. You shouldn't stress out about it there isn't much we can do. China and India could go to nuclear war right now and end all life on Earth.

This.

There have been bigger conflicts than Russia-Ukraine.

Russia-Ukraine is not a particularly enormous conflict in the history of mankind.

Just because a conflict involves "us" and we're paying more attention to it than, say, India-China or India-Pakistan, does not mean it's more likely to have a world-effecting outcome.

I said this in V1 of the mega thread:

For people that are scared or weirded out, just stop reading about it.

I guarantee you the same green grass and trees will be there tomorrow whether you know what Russia are threatening or not.
 
I get it, you're scared.

It's a case of 'but what if he's totally crazy, we shouldn't challenge him', but unfortunately for you, cowardice is not a way out.
I’m not scared. I’m just being sensical. Not wanting every major city to be nuked is not cowardice. Where do you live by the way? Do you live in or near a major city? Or are you in some rural area miles away? Are you in the military? Are you willing to fight the Russians or do you want other people to do the fighting for you? I wonder if you’re just full of bravado.
 
There are plenty of conflicts that we do not interfere in. Drawing the line with Ukraine is illogical. Saudi Arabia is one of our governments biggest allies, and they're more heinous than the Russians.
 
Slowly but surely. Soon the WWII tanks being shipped to the front will become spears and bows and arrows.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-armed-forces-strike-20-161300102.html

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Ukrainska Pravda
Tue, October 25, 2022 at 9:13 AM

ALONA MAZURENKOTUESDAY, 25 OCTOBER 2022, 19:13

The Armed Forces of Ukraine struck twenty areas of concentration of enemy manpower and weapons over the course of 25 October.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook, information as of 18:00 on 25 October

Quote: "According to the most up-to-date information, Ukraine’s defence forces killed around 30 [invaders], and more than a hundred enemy servicemen remained under the rubble as a result of point strikes by the artillery of the defence forces, in the village of Kairy, Kherson Oblast.

In the village of Hornostaivka, after the detonation of the ammunition depot, the movement of a large number of ambulance cars was observed. Losses are carefully hidden by the enemy.

Ukrainian aircraft carried out 15 strikes on 25 October, striking 12 areas of concentration of Russian weapons and equipment, 2 strong points and several anti-aircraft defence systems. In addition, Ukrainian air defence forces downed a UAV.

Ukraine’s Rocket Forces and Artillery struck eight areas where Russian military personnel, weapons and equipment were concentrated, as well as ammunition storage points and other important military targets of the occupiers."

Details: The Russians are trying to hold the temporarily captured territories, focusing on deterring the actions of the defence forces on certain fronts, and conducting offensive actions on the Bakhmut and Avdiivka fronts.

The Russian invaders are attacking the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces along the entire line of contact, reinforcing defence fortifications on some fronts and conducting aerial reconnaissance.

During the day, the Russians carried out 3 missile attacks and 11 air strikes, as well as more than 25 attacks from multiple rocket launchers.

About 25 cities and towns were hit by the occupiers’ attacks. These are Nikopol (Dnipropetrovsk Oblast), Bakhmutske and Vuhledar (Donetsk Oblast) and Nova Kamianka (Kherson Oblast).

Russians fired from tanks, mortars, tubed and rocket artillery on the Sivershchyna, Slobozhanshchyna, Kupiansk, Lyman, Bakhmut and Avdiivka fronts.

The Russians shelled positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and civilian infrastructure facilities near more than 20 cities and towns along the entire contact line.

On the Pivdennyi Buh front, the Russians fired at more than 30 cities and towns. The occupiers continue to mine areas along the coastline of the Dnipro River.

Russians are trying to restore the damaged pontoon-bridge crossings. The invaders launched up to 50 UAVs of various types in order to conduct air reconnaissance missions.

The Russian occupying forces continue forced mobilisation measures to replenish their current losses.

In the temporarily occupied Khrustalnyi (Luhansk Oblast), the so-called mobile groups detain and transport all men to the military enlistment office.

According to available information, another batch of prisoners came to Stanytsia Luhanska, from the territory of Russia, to replenish the units armed with MANPADS. Local so-called law enforcement officers are forbidden to intervene in case of violations by the arriving mercenaries.

To replenish the losses on the Zaporizhzhia front, another batch of Russian servicemen has arrived in Vovkivka; they are chaotically moving through the streets, begging the locals for food and an opportunity to wash themselves."
 


Russia has already lost more lives in Ukraine than in ten years of war in Chechnya.

Lord have mercy. Putin is spending the lives of Russia's best and brightest young men as if they were worthless.
 
Were our ancestors fucking stupid when they stood up to these drunken bullies the last time?

The only reason they're even trying is because they know they have so many sympathetic selfish weasels like you.
Wait, are you Finnish?
 
Is that a risk you’re willing to take?

Its not our risk to take.
If Putin used nukes the world will respond. It would no longer be Russia vs Ukraine or NATO.
It would be the whole world more or less. No country in 2022 would support Russia using nukes.
There should be no place for nukes in today's world.

Using bbbut nukes as some excuse / reason to let Putin do what he wants is not an option.
we cant set an example that if you threatens with nukes you get what you want.
How do you think North Korea would react to that?
Seoul is with in reach of their nukes.
 
Is Ukraine worth nuclear Armageddon?
Essentially yes, because of the implication of not drawing a line. Every country would draw the line at itself, but since a nuclear war is an international event then the only logical solution is that everyone draws the line at everyone. If you let Putin drop nukes on Ukraine and do nothing you've given him free reign to drop nukes on any country on Earth, which is obviously untenable. Hence, any usage of nukes must be punished.
 
Its not our risk to take.
If Putin used nukes the world will respond. It would no longer be Russia vs Ukraine or NATO.
It would be the whole world more or less. No country in 2022 would support Russia using nukes.
There should be no place for nukes in today's world.

Using bbbut nukes as some excuse / reason to let Putin do what he wants is not an option.
we cant set an example that if you threatens with nukes you get what you want.
How do you think North Korea would react to that?
Seoul is with in reach of their nukes.

Yup.
Using bbut nukes while Russia already is doing the same flowchart as Hitler did in 1938.
Even excuses are the same......

So next might be not only Moldova and Georgia as russian elite had already promised to their electorate....
There is Austria... Putin might opt to taste: it isn't NATO country..... Hungary will not go against Kremlin.
Serbia is waiting for their friends form Kremlin etc....

+ German opinions are clear: if Russia will attack, they think that it will be through Poland.
And Poland will act as cheap buffer.

Maybe they even doesn't have plans irl ....to supply Poland with ammo etc IF Russia will invade Poland. Maybe they will rush to negotiate with Kremlin.

In all these dreams western europe dosn't excpt that they might be attacked via Austria....

+ Russia now most likely had get that to deal with Poland will be more difficult that with Ukraine.....
++ financial damage west will have if Russia will invade Poland will be unbearable.
Ukr had low % western investments and is wheat exporter mainly to middle east etc..
Europe get huge damage cos they were main imported vegetalble oils supplier to EU/ EEZ.
& Inflation now is nice ....isn't.

Poland is food exporter, more than 3,5 X larger economy than Ukraine and..... these mainly export this stuff to EU/ EEZ....
So imagine what kind of effects might be on western europe?
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+ they don't export just food...
 
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The role of Ukraine as vegetable oils exporter for Europe and how this impacted you....yes, you.
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While EU/EEZ de facto even is limiting agricultural production with quotas :(, this ofc is capitalism. Business.

Vegetable oils are used in food for ppl and cattle and also ....to create biodiesel.

When we didn't get supplies from Ukr, we had bought stuff from other countries....
Including U.S and Brasil.
And cos this had pumped up vegetable oils price in retail store you are using to buy food.

It wasn't just one ship etc...
x xxx xxx metric tons. Soybean oil, corp oil etc.
Asia too might be happy: palm oil might be used as replacement....:(

Some western euro countries are turning 40% from locally produced rapsseed oil into....biodiesel....

While looks that we had cancelled mando biodiesel add in some EU countries in order to reduce food prices hike up.
 
Some things europe had did IMHO were correct.
In internet term " cheap russian natural gas " is widely used.
While in reality for end customer since some 2007 th it wasn't cheap anymore.
Therefore : NG usage reduction....
Attention to heat insulation and buildings energo efficiency... .
Electricity : households consupmtion had dropped down.
LEDs instead of classic bulbs, sensors... regulators etc.
Even if electricity is used for heating ....it is done in more smart way as was earlier........
Etc stuff...


If it was 2006 th now....Russia already had folded us with supplies and expenses for heating etc.
 
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