International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[SandisLL]

As long as the West stops training and arming their military and Ukraine becoming a neutral state, the whole thing will be over

Better don't lie here.
Ukraine might get peace for long term only if will be part of Russia.

Also it is so laughable to talk about help from west to naive Ukraine...
" help " LOL.

If Kiev was so dumb during x years in row not to get that nor EU nor NATO needed them...
This is their own problem.

And please do not lie bullshit about " disarmed , neutral etc nonsense for babushkas.....and dreamers ".

Part of Russia and with Rouble.

 

[ViD]

Better don't lie here.
Ukraine might get peace for long term only if will be part of Russia.

Also it is so laughable to talk about help from west to naive Ukraine...
" help " LOL.

If Kiev was so dumb during x years in row not to get that nor EU nor NATO needed them...
This is their own problem.

And please do not lie bullshit about " disarmed , neutral etc nonsense for babushkas.....and dreamers ".

Part of Russia and with Rouble.

What I am talking about is that the parts that will remain of Ukraine after peace treaty is signed (Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, Kherson, Zaporizhya are gone for good, they will be a part of Russia) must be demilitarized meaning that they should not be supplied more weapons or troops receive any training, otherwise it will just be another conflict in the making.

 

[SandisLL]

I don't agree.
Russia needs completely submit all ukraine.

I think in 2021 th Ukraine should had offered to cede areas on border with Hungary to Russia.
In revenge for " good supplies with weapons from west ".
Cos only stupid ppl didn't had saw reality not fake BS ....

 

[ViD]

I don't agree.
Russia needs completely submit all ukraine.

I think in 2021 th Ukraine should had offered to cede areas on border with Hungary to Russia.
In revenge for " good supplies with weapons from west ".
Cos only stupid ppl didn't had saw reality not fake BS ....

Russia can’t submit western part of Ukraine - they have nothing in common with Russian culture. Russia needs them to pose no threat.

 

[SandisLL]

Russia can’t submit western part of Ukraine - they have nothing in common with Russian culture. Russia needs to them to pose no threat.

Nonsense...
No threat ....means weak and easy to annex gray buffer area.

For western ukraine better might be incorporated in China rather than to be cheap, poor and weak gray buffer for EU between them and Russia.

However ukr looks that are delusional dreamers when they had saw useless empty carrot...

Btw when in 2021 th US refused to sell them manpads....they should had declared that will not cooperate with US anymore.
And turn in China's hands.

When Germany during xx years didn't agreed to sell them even 155 mm cannons...
They should get brains not to dream about EU membership.

 

[hitcher]

Russia can’t submit western part of Ukraine - they have nothing in common with Russian culture. Russia needs them to pose no threat.

Ukrainian and Russian Culture is actually very Similar. I have got Russian and Ukrainian friends.

 

[Cole train]

Ukrainian and Russian Culture is actually very Similar. I have got Russian and Ukrainian friends.

They are but west would likely be trouble with guerrila stuff and whatever(just because culture is similar does not mean they exactly like each other) ,not to mention no resources to hold entire country with current force

 

[ViD]

Ukrainian and Russian Culture is actually very Similar. I have got Russian and Ukrainian friends.

They are, but western Ukraine is very different from eastern and central Ukraine

 

[hitcher]

They are but west would likely be trouble with guerrila stuff and whatever(just because culture is similar does not mean they exactly like each other) ,not to mention no resources to hold entire country with current force

Oh sry, i didnt mean Russia should take Western Ukraine. They should actually stop. I only meant that There is no big differnce in their Culture.

 

[Anewt]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...r-missiles-hit-yavoriv-military-base-liveblog


Severodonetsk’s mayor says the city is now under the “full occupation of Russia”.Dozens of Russian missiles have simultaneously hit military facilities in western and northern Ukraine, local officials say.Ukraine’s military says attacks on the border region of Chernihiv were launched from the territory of Russia’s ally Belarus.British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says Ukraine could face pressure to agree to a peace deal with Russia that may not be in its interests due to the economic consequences of the war in Europe.

Ukraine will win back Severodonetsk: Zelenskyy
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said Ukraine would win back all the cities it had lost to Russia, including Severodonetsk.

In a late-night video address, he also said Ukraine had been hit by 45 Russian missiles and rockets over the previous 24 hours, which he described as a cynical attempt to break his people’s spirit.


Looks like Zelensky is still willing to sacrifice more lives ....

 

[Badr Hari]

Ukraine will win back Severodonetsk: Zelenskyy
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said Ukraine would win back all the cities it had lost to Russia, including Severodonetsk.

In a late-night video address, he also said Ukraine had been hit by 45 Russian missiles and rockets over the previous 24 hours, which he described as a cynical attempt to break his people’s spirit.


Looks like Zelensky is still willing to sacrifice more lives ....

Don't be naive to think this war is some personal beef between Zelensky and the russians. What do you expect him to say? We lost Severodonetsk, where's the paper so I can sign capitulation. Even if he was insane and did such a thing, ukrainians would call him a traitor, prison him within hours and continue their resistance. War started five years prior to Zelensky becoming a politician and will continue with or without him. It's literally a war for independence and is fought by brave regular men in the trenches who prefer death over submission to Kremlin.

 

[Zinger]

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[Anewt]

Don't be naive to think this war is some personal beef between Zelensky and the russians. What do you expect him to say? We lost Severodonetsk, where's the paper so I can sign capitulation. Even if he was insane and did such a thing, ukrainians would call him a traitor, prison him within hours and continue their resistance. War started five years prior to Zelensky becoming a politician and will continue with or without him. It's literally a war for independence and is fought by brave regular men in the trenches who prefer death over submission to Kremlin.

I don't think it's a personal beef with Russians from Zelensky. I'd like him to stop sacrificing regular men's lives. You can put the spin on it that these are brave regular men who prefer death over submission to the Kremlin..

It sounds far better than conscripted men who volunteered to defend their hometowns being sent to their deaths at the frontline of a war that's been going on for almost 8 years in the donbas. Or being arrested for not wishing to be cannon fodder.

I can put the exact same spin on the dpr soldiers and separatists. Brave regular men fighting for their independence from Ukraine..... doesn't change the reality of being sacrificed like pawns. Just like the Ukrainians are.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that fighting for the city of Severodonetsk may decide the outcome of the war in the east of the country.

"In many respects, the fate of the Donbas is being decided there," he said as combat raged in the industrial belt with Russian and separatist force

How many times are the goal posts going to shift?

 

[Zinger]

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...r-missiles-hit-yavoriv-military-base-liveblog


Severodonetsk’s mayor says the city is now under the “full occupation of Russia”.Dozens of Russian missiles have simultaneously hit military facilities in western and northern Ukraine, local officials say.Ukraine’s military says attacks on the border region of Chernihiv were launched from the territory of Russia’s ally Belarus.British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says Ukraine could face pressure to agree to a peace deal with Russia that may not be in its interests due to the economic consequences of the war in Europe.

Ukraine will win back Severodonetsk: Zelenskyy
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said Ukraine would win back all the cities it had lost to Russia, including Severodonetsk.

In a late-night video address, he also said Ukraine had been hit by 45 Russian missiles and rockets over the previous 24 hours, which he described as a cynical attempt to break his people’s spirit.


Looks like Zelensky is still willing to sacrifice more lives ....

Of course he's gonna sacrifice. I'm not sure if that's his personal opinion, but if my memory is right, I saw one of his advisors snap in a youtube interview for a news show and say that they'll keep going until they get crimea back, everything else is not an option.

It's 1 AM, so I wont dig now, but I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. The advisor guy was dropping all kinds of russian f-bombs. Guy got very emmotional over a suggestion about some kind of a peace deal.

 

[ViD]

Of course he's gonna sacrifice. I'm not sure if that's his personal opinion, but if my memory is right, I saw one of his advisors snap in a youtube interview for a news show and say that they'll keep going until they get crimea back, everything else is not an option.

It's 1 AM, so I wont dig now, but I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. The advisor guy was dropping all kinds of russian f-bombs. Guy got very emmotional over a suggestion about some kind of a peace deal.

You likely mean Arestovich, but he’s nothing more just a talking head and a propaganda outlet. He’s now even despised by Ukrainian military

 

[USA!USA!]

Looks like Zelensky is still willing to sacrifice more lives ....

I think you mean "looks like the Russian invaders are willing to murder more Ukrainians defending their homeland"

 

[Badr Hari]

I don't think it's a personal beef with Russians from Zelensky. I'd like him to stop sacrificing regular men's lives. You can put the spin on it that these are brave regular men who prefer death over submission to the Kremlin..

It sounds far better than conscripted men who volunteered to defend their hometowns being sent to their deaths at the frontline of a war that's been going on for almost 8 years in the donbas. Or being arrested for not wishing to be cannon fodder.

I can put the exact same spin on the dpr soldiers and separatists. Brave regular men fighting for their independence from Ukraine..... doesn't change the reality of being sacrificed like pawns. Just like the Ukrainians are.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that fighting for the city of Severodonetsk may decide the outcome of the war in the east of the country.

"In many respects, the fate of the Donbas is being decided there," he said as combat raged in the industrial belt with Russian and separatist force

How many times are the goal posts going to shift?

Zelensky wasn't even a politician when this war started. Zelensky can say whatever he wants, as the president during war time he is in a role to make the situation look as hopeless as it can be so he can get more military aid from the West. I expect him to dramatize to the fullest and as a former actor and likable character by the West he has been doing a great job so far. That's his role for now. Provide ukrainians with more weapons and ammo. He isn't a military expert to decide what is the next operational move.

A few days ago saw on Reddit (impossible to find on YT) the famous video of Zelensky's visit in Donbass right after he won the election. Previously he had stated something like "I'll do anything in my power to solve the Donbass and Russia problem once and for all". One of the soldiers had been mad over that and really put Zelensky in discomfort. The back and forth was long and often in high voices even though the soldier was many times warned by his comrades to show more respect towards the president. It's literally a war for independence by brave men in the trenches who prefer death over submission to Kremlin. No spin whatsoever and no need to make it more complicated. If the russians want it to end faster, they have the very simple solution: win. Win and conquer and don't bitch about the other side 'still defending'. Not an inch of land will be given for free.

 

[Anewt]

Zelensky wasn't even a politician when this war started. Zelensky can say whatever he wants, as the president during war time he is in a role to make the situation look as hopeless as it can be so he can get more military aid from the West. I expect him to dramatize to the fullest and as a former actor and likable character by the West he has been doing a great job so far. That's his role for now. Provide ukrainians with more weapons and ammo. He isn't a military expert to decide what is the next operational move.

A few days ago saw on Reddit (impossible to find on YT) the famous video of Zelensky's visit in Donbass right after he won the election. Previously he had stated something like "I'll do anything in my power to solve the Donbass and Russia problem once and for all". One of the soldiers had been mad over that and really put Zelensky in discomfort. The back and forth was long and often in high voices even though the soldier was many times warned by his comrades to show more respect towards the president. It's literally a war for independence by brave men in the trenches who prefer death over submission to Kremlin. No spin whatsoever and no need to make it more complicated. If the russians want it to end faster, they have the very simple solution: win. Win and conquer and don't bitch about the other side 'still defending'. Not an inch of land will be given for free.

I feel you're ignoring the conscription and unwilling innocents being sent to fight and die a bit. But your post is accurate.

I think you mean "looks like the Russian invaders are willing to murder more Ukrainians defending their homeland"

Yep. I'd love it if Russia just fucked off and withdrew. Hell be better it never even started. But I think the balls more in Zelenskys court to stop this war. I can't see putin / Russia stopping. And nor do I wish to see them increasing force. Even maintaining current levels.

The only way I see this ending is by Ukraine being willing to peace talks.

Other than that. The thought of another forever war with the donbas this time. Basically a open proxy war with weapons systems and money flowing making some of the more heinous corporations a lot of bank doesn't appeal. Especially killing conscripts.

 

[skysolo]

 

[Yehudim]

I love how your brain has been so infected that the CIA are automatically the bad guys.

Darn those CIA guys and their…facilitating intelligence exchanges to help those guys being invaded