International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V7

[12ga.]

Everything west of the Dnieper will remain part of Ukraine. If Ukraine keeps living in la la land and pretending they are winning the war maybe it gets to that point(Dnieper would be a nice defendable border for Russia) but I don't think Russia would be willing to go further. The people in the West do not want to be part of Russia. Russia's whole mandate for this war is based on Ukraine's political division. They do not have a mandate or desire to take hostile areas. Maybe some neutral areas further west than Donbass and north of Kherson where that line gets drawn is unclear. Kharkov maybe. But Kiev and western Ukraine ain't happening.

People ride the strong horse. Once Russia fully integrates east and south which is like 85% of Ukraine wealth the remainers will question what kinda poverty hell the nationalists got them into. Especially after West gets tired of supporting them. Also I think and offer will be made to Poland and Hungary to take their historical areas back in Western Ukraine lightening Russian load. Ukraine will be 404.

 

[TheGreatA]

People ride the strong horse. Once Russia fully integrates east and south which is like 85% of Ukraine wealth the remainers will question what kinda poverty hell the nationalists got them into. Especially after West gets tired of supporting them. Also I think and offer will be made to Poland and Hungary to take their historical areas back in Western Ukraine lightening Russian load. Ukraine will be 404.

You sure love to fantasize about Ukraine's total destruction, don't you?

None of these scenarios seem plausible even from the Russian POV. Their level of investment into this conflict indicates that they're pretty content with just fortifying the eastern parts of Ukraine, and that's about it. If they wanted to take the whole of Ukraine they'd obviously have to fully mobilize, rather than rely on a bunch of mercenaries.

They tried to blitz Ukraine, it didn't work, so they've significantly down-scaled their objectives, from "denazifying Ukraine", to just taking the border regions for themselves. I doubt they'll be hanging around for 3-5 years being bogged down in a pointless war, they already have pretty much what they want.

 

[Zinger]

Also I think and offer will be made to Poland and Hungary to take their historical areas back in Western Ukraine lightening Russian load. Ukraine will be 404.

Can someone smart explain how the ethnic communities are doing in those historical areas? Are they holding on or have they been settled by ukrainians, assimilated and made Ukrainian/Russian?

What's the point of acquiring territories that possibly have lost ties to "the motherland", with the only common trait being that they share a border? They'd be getting a bunch of hostiles and creating new conflicts further down the line. Fuck that.

 

[12ga.]

You sure love to fantasize about Ukraine's total destruction, don't you?

None of these scenarios seem plausible even from the Russian POV. Their level of investment into this conflict indicates that they're pretty content with just fortifying the eastern parts of Ukraine, and that's about it. If they wanted to take the whole of Ukraine they'd obviously have to fully mobilize, rather than rely on a bunch of mercenaries.

They tried to blitz Ukraine, it didn't work, so they've significantly down-scaled their objectives, from "denazifying Ukraine", to just taking the border regions for themselves. I doubt they'll be hanging around for 3-5 years being bogged down in a pointless war, they already have pretty much what they want.

Dont really care either way - have no dog in this fight - but since everyone else can give an opinion what's on Russia's mind I am free to as well. Russia will take all the ethnics Russian majority areas and the remaiders not russian will be happy because Russia will be richer for it. Most of western Ukraine was Poland until Nazi's 404'd Poland in 1939 they want their lands back too. Same goes for Hungary. And since its a land grab now they'll move and Ukraine will not exist anymore IMO

 

[Rholk]

Dont really care either way - have no dog in this fight - but since everyone else can give an opinion what's on Russia's mind I am free to as well. Russia will take all the ethnics Russian majority areas and the remaiders not russian will be happy because Russia will be richer for it. Most of western Ukraine was Poland until Nazi's 404'd Poland in 1939 they want their lands back too. Same goes for Hungary. And since its a land grab now they'll move and Ukraine will not exist anymore IMO

 

[SandisLL]

People ride the strong horse. Once Russia fully integrates east and south which is like 85% of Ukraine wealth the remainers will question what kinda poverty hell the nationalists got them into. Especially after West gets tired of supporting them. Also I think and offer will be made to Poland and Hungary to take their historical areas back in Western Ukraine lightening Russian load. Ukraine will be 404.

Ukrainians maybe might be happy if they will get deNazified by Poland.
In reality.

While Poles in Poland will be mad to see....investments they will need to do in Ukraine..
Today they are helping Ukraine just because Russia is filling them with refugees, bulllying Poland and they doesn't want more land borders with Russia.

That's all.
Tell them that they will need invest f.e 10b in Lvov.
Will get riots and huge demonstrations in Poland....

 

[Ayin]

nobody was concerned about Ukraines civil war that cost 14k lifes. It’s really sad

My country had military forces doing training with Ukrainians, and others did as well. Many important nations were concerned, but much like the majority population of Ukraine itself, the people’s of those nations expected only minor escalation, if any.

Years out, no one expected Russia to invade. Which should be obvious because even days out, with US intelligence services sharing their information, even many people in Ukraine still did not expect it to actually occur.

 

[Videer]

You sure love to fantasize about Ukraine's total destruction, don't you?

None of these scenarios seem plausible even from the Russian POV. Their level of investment into this conflict indicates that they're pretty content with just fortifying the eastern parts of Ukraine, and that's about it. If they wanted to take the whole of Ukraine they'd obviously have to fully mobilize, rather than rely on a bunch of mercenaries.

They tried to blitz Ukraine, it didn't work, so they've significantly down-scaled their objectives, from "denazifying Ukraine", to just taking the border regions for themselves. I doubt they'll be hanging around for 3-5 years being bogged down in a pointless war, they already have pretty much what they want.

This whole Poland and/or Hungary gobbling up parts of Ukraine is from some very fringe circles and its puzzling as hell.

 

[SandisLL]

Everything west of the Dnieper will remain part of Ukraine. If Ukraine keeps living in la la land and pretending they are winning the war maybe it gets to that point(Dnieper would be a nice defendable border for Russia) but I don't think Russia would be willing to go further. The people in the West do not want to be part of Russia. Russia's whole mandate for this war is based on Ukraine's political division. They do not have a mandate or desire to take hostile areas. Maybe some neutral areas further west than Donbass and north of Kherson where that line gets drawn is unclear. Kharkov maybe. But Kiev and western Ukraine ain't happening.

I don't agree...
Russia sooner or later will not only submit all Ukraine, also Moldova....
No escape here for them from reality. ....

First step ofc might be just to take most economically important parts of Ukraine.
Aka Donbas etc....
In order to weaken Ukraine till end of game....
Make them into weak coal importer living in debts....

Like USSR and China did this with South Korea by taking most important mining and hydroenergetic areas for North Korea....

And unlike with South Korea.....everyone easily might see that nor US nor U.K nor EU will protect Ukraine....

EU candidate status is 0 worth carrot, nothing more...
North Macedonia is EU candidate 17 years....
Albania...8 years .....

Just Ukr will be calmed down with tales in order to singn papers with Russia.

Then....later anyway all Ukraine will be submitted...m
There just isn't chance to escape!

Only idiots doesn't see this....


Therefore Russia's ultimatums should had been more realistic: demand Ukraine to be 100% incorporated in Russia ! OR install rulers like Lukashenko .....

This is reality.

Btw comfortable for both: west europe and US and China...

 

[ferrisjso]

People ride the strong horse. Once Russia fully integrates east and south which is like 85% of Ukraine wealth the remainers will question what kinda poverty hell the nationalists got them into. Especially after West gets tired of supporting them. Also I think and offer will be made to Poland and Hungary to take their historical areas back in Western Ukraine lightening Russian load. Ukraine will be 404.

I don't see this happening. I think you're misreading this situation.

Also Poland has an even bigger Nazi/fascist problem than Ukraine. They hate Russia they ain't taking any land from Russia.

 

[ferrisjso]

I don't agree...
Russia sooner or later will not only submit all Ukraine, also Moldova....
No escape here for them from reality. ....

First step ofc might be just to take most economically important parts of Ukraine.
Aka Donbas etc....
In order to weaken Ukraine till end of game....
Make them into weak coal importer living in debts....

Like USSR and China did this with South Korea by taking most important mining and hydroenergetic areas for North Korea....

And unlike with South Korea.....everyone easily might see that nor US nor U.K nor EU will protect Ukraine....

EU candidate status is 0 worth carrot, nothing more...
North Macedonia is EU candidate 17 years....
Albania...8 years .....

Just Ukr will be calmed down with tales in order to singn papers with Russia.

Then....later anyway all Ukraine will be submitted...m
There just isn't chance to escape!

Only idiots doesn't see this....


Therefore Russia's ultimatums should had been more realistic: demand Ukraine to be 100% incorporated in Russia ! OR install rulers like Lukashenko .....

This is reality.

Btw comfortable for both: west europe and US and China...

I think you're misreading this situation.

 

[SandisLL]

I think you're misreading this situation.

Naw.

Russia will create superempire and it will be from Lisbon...till Vladivostok.

When they will do this task, only then a lot of ppl posting here will get what happened.

They will achieve this goal, will submit all Europe and will be superempire.
Together with Belarus, Iran and China + India.

Delusional westerners are dreaming that they are able to prevent reality by selling something to Russia. .

Russia will submit ALL europe if such dreamers will rule something.
And WILL rule in Lisbon, London and Paris, Berlin etc.


They definitely will submit all these IF West will be too pussy.

Yeah and London and Paris WILL surround just to prevent nukes used on them.
WILL surround.

 

[Videer]

Impressive fires from rockets cooking off on Russian MLRSs after Ukrainian strikes.

 

[SandisLL]

The whole situation is different than in 1949-1992 period.

Russia is more impactul in western politic sphere.
Former Western Germany doesn't exist anymore.
Instead there is patient waiting Nord Stream II to be launched....
Spending peanuts on their military.
Battling with local coal mining ! and already had killed their NPP industry...
Damn!

On paper Bulgaria and Hungary are EU and NATO countries.
In reality they each year are more and more close to Belarus No2!

 

[ferrisjso]

Naw.

Russia will create superempire and it will be from Lisbon...till Vladivostok.

When they will do this task, only then a lot of ppl posting here will get what happened.

They will achieve this goal, will submit all Europe and will be superempire.
Together with Belarus, Iran and China + India.

Delusional westerners are dreaming that they are able to prevent reality by selling something to Russia. .

Russia will submit ALL europe if such dreamers will rule something.
And WILL rule in Lisbon, London and Paris, Berlin etc.


They definitely will submit all these IF West will be too pussy.

Yeah and London and Paris WILL surround just to prevent nukes used on them.
WILL surround.

Lol you realize if Russia created this superempire from Libson to Vladivostok Russians would be like less than a third of population right?

You realize NATO has nukes and is contractually obligated to destroy the world if they are attacked right(hence why NATO is insanity)?

 

[Badr Hari]

maybe a message from God?

 

[ViD]

Based on what info? how is Ukraine doomed? what part of the Russians dont have enough troops do you not understand?


Do you also know its not just UK and US right? its NATO and the US.


157,000 or so troops is not enough to "doom Ukraine". They started off with 190,000 and now down moral wise and equipment wise, a lot of under strength units as well. And the DPR/LPR treatment by the russians has been pure trash, an they have suffer 50% losses of they're overall combat forces.


The Russians are having a hell of time right now, and hardly making any major gains. Are you just Fangirling Russia or what? Because the amount of losses the Russian have to take just to gain A city is pretty retarded an doesn't seem like they have a an overall objective. UAF is punching well above they're weight while the Russians cant cross a river with out loosing huge amounts of equipment.




One if not several of they're elite elite tank guards units almost got wiped out. Ya Ukraine is doomed alright, so far its proved That Putin is absolute moron.

I don’t think you truly realize what’s going on.
First of all, when I say Ukraine is doomed, I don’t mean Russia will take all of it, it doesn’t need it. What I mean is that as soon as Russia finishes in Donetsk and threatens Kharkov and Odessa, Zelensky is done, he will either be overthrown by the military or some other opposition group. In this case, Ukraine as the nationalistic anti Russia act will be over.

As for Russia, they absolutely have the manpower, weapons and resources to finish off Ukraine quicker, but that will possible require sending conscripts on to the battlefield or declaring partial mobilization. Either one of this actions will take a toll on Putin’s ratings. That’s why they only use professional soldiers which is enough for the current task

 

[SandisLL]

I don't see this happening. I think you're misreading this situation.

Also Poland has an even bigger Nazi/fascist problem than Ukraine. They hate Russia they ain't taking any land from Russia.

Don't worry.
They hate germany not lesser than Russia.

Actually if Russia had been smart and kindly negotiated...
Then Poland together with Belarus and Russia might had now deNazified all Germany.

US most likely will just remove their dudes from this large air base in Germany, that's all.
And will think how to apply some sanctions ....
In order to prevent nuclear war....they might just do with Germany the same as now are doing with Ukraine.

And for Gernany why to resist deNazification?
Especially if Russia will promise cheaper natural gas and Nord Stream II will start to work?

No reason...
What's wrong to be in new super empire?

 

[SandisLL]

If about Lukashenko.
Russia is supplying them weapons and increased supplies.
+ Lukashenko now looks that will ask Putin gave him nuclear weapons...
Maybe this will be payment for help to do deNazification in Kiev.

 

[ViD]

Any concessions made by Ukraine to get a peace will be later broken by Russian who will claim more regions wants to be denazified. It will be endless game.

As long as the West stops training and arming their military and Ukraine becoming a neutral state, the whole thing will be over