Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Deleted member 585708]

They held the airport for a month surrounded with no air support? withdrew and it took Ukraine 2 days to reoccupy the airport.

That's a bloody great destraction for a relatively small group of paratroopers. You think Putin wouldn't have sacrificed thousands of lives to achieve a month of Kiev being forced to worry about its doorstep?

Let me ask you. How would you have gone about this war if you were Russia?

The best Ukrainian troops were never in Kyiv.

It's a pointless distraction, and achieved nothing - ergo, I just don't believe it was a distraction.

It makes zero sense when the bulk of Ukraine's military might was in the East.

 

[AWilder]

They held the airport for a month surrounded with no air support? withdrew and it took Ukraine 2 days to reoccupy the airport.

That's a bloody great destraction for a relatively small group of paratroopers. You think Putin wouldn't have sacrificed thousands of lives to achieve a month of Kiev being forced to worry about its doorstep?

Let me ask you. How would you have gone about this war if you were Russia?

The russians at the airport went weeks under constant attack by ukraine artillery with barely any support. they were not relieved until the massive column arrived and then pulled back. I'm not sure how a 40 mile long convoy in support of the forces at the airport is "relatively small" anything. If it was a feint, it failed miserably.

If i was russia? i don't even know, i don't know how capable their military is. i would have never invaded if i knew these poor troops were in such shitty shape.

 

[Rod1]

Kharkiv they've been trying to tie up as long as possible. Unlike Kiev the military there has been far more proactive . ( they have been targeting far more structures and using far more force. ) Ukranian defence has been excellent.

They would have attempted to take it completely ( again) if they thought they could imo. ( they tried and failed )

I'll expect to see Russians dug in defensive positions to the east of Kharkiv.. and in position to attack any supply lines ,if Ukraine manages to create a clean line of supply to the donbas line I expect to see donbas being levelled. Something tells me the bombing of residential areas won't really matter again in that region.

I don't think the war is going well for Russia btw. I just don't believe some of the goals people claim Russia failed at were ever plausible goals.

That was unexpectedly reasonable of you, but its Russians who have their supply lines threatened

 

[Limbo Pete]

The russians at the airport went weeks under constant attack by ukraine artillery with barely any support. they were not relieved until the massive column arrived and then pulled back. I'm not sure how a 40 mile long convoy in support of the forces at the airport is "relatively small" anything. If it was a feint, it failed miserably.

Yeah, a 40 mile long column seems... a wee bit much for a feint
28D chess, supersized for maximum Boris Bamboozle

 

[AWilder]

I just don't believe some of the goals people claim Russia failed at were ever plausible goals.

hindsight is 20/20

 

[AWilder]

Yeah, a 40 mile long column seems... a wee bit much for a feint
28D chess, supersized for maximum Boris Bamboozle

we will salt the earth with our armor!

 

[Limbo Pete]

we will salt the earth with our armor!

The Russian plot to kill Ukrainian crops by poisoning the earth with corrosive metals, exploded munitions, and salt from human blood... is all coming together

 

[Anewt]

The best Ukrainian troops were never in Kyiv.

It's a pointless distraction, and achieved nothing - ergo, I just don't believe it was a distraction.

It makes zero sense when the bulk of Ukraine's military might was in the East.

It's prevented a vast majority of the weapons provided from being deployed in the east.

All those weapons old mate said were surrounding the airport preventing invasion could have been positioned further east.

The position of this force is looking increasingly precarious as Russian forces advance to encircle it on three axes. Russian forces of the 58th Combined Arms Army and 22nd Army, pushing north from Crimea, have commenced assaults on Beryslav along the Dnieper, and appear likely to link up at Polohy with Russian separatist forces and the Eighth Combined Arms Army advancing from Donbas. Elements of the First Guards Tank Army and Sixth Combined Arms Army advancing past Kharkiv also appear to have largely eschewed attempts to take the city – focusing instead on reducing it with artillery while bypassing it as they advance south and west past Poltava, cutting the JFO off from escaping northwards. Finally, in the southwest, Russian forces of the 20th Guards Motor Rifle Division appear similarly intent on bypassing Mykolaiv but, notably, may not be advancing on Odessa. Instead, they appear to be advancing north, which could suggest a desire to seize the western banks of key crossing points over the Dnieper.

Viewed in conjunction, these advances present a troubling picture whereby the Ukrainian forces opposite Donetsk and Luhansk are at risk of encirclement on the eastern side of the Dnieper. If this is indeed the focus of Russia’s approach, then the emphasis on Russia's ability to take major cities as a metric of success will have been an analytical error, as Russia appears more intent on pinning Ukrainian forces in cities like Kharkiv while it bypasses them.

This was from the uk thinktank quite some time ago. I don’t personally agree with all of it. As I said I thought there were pushes into Kharkiv with intent to capture. But as they state troops moved past to encircle the donbas line. But I've never seen that on any military movement maps released . So fucks me.

How would you have approached the war if Russia.

( apart from not doing it because we'd all obviously pick that )

 

[Deleted member 585708]

It's prevented a vast majority of the weapons provided from being deployed in the east.

All those weapons old mate said were surrounding the airport preventing invasion could have been positioned further east.

The position of this force is looking increasingly precarious as Russian forces advance to encircle it on three axes. Russian forces of the 58th Combined Arms Army and 22nd Army, pushing north from Crimea, have commenced assaults on Beryslav along the Dnieper, and appear likely to link up at Polohy with Russian separatist forces and the Eighth Combined Arms Army advancing from Donbas. Elements of the First Guards Tank Army and Sixth Combined Arms Army advancing past Kharkiv also appear to have largely eschewed attempts to take the city – focusing instead on reducing it with artillery while bypassing it as they advance south and west past Poltava, cutting the JFO off from escaping northwards. Finally, in the southwest, Russian forces of the 20th Guards Motor Rifle Division appear similarly intent on bypassing Mykolaiv but, notably, may not be advancing on Odessa. Instead, they appear to be advancing north, which could suggest a desire to seize the western banks of key crossing points over the Dnieper.

Viewed in conjunction, these advances present a troubling picture whereby the Ukrainian forces opposite Donetsk and Luhansk are at risk of encirclement on the eastern side of the Dnieper. If this is indeed the focus of Russia’s approach, then the emphasis on Russia's ability to take major cities as a metric of success will have been an analytical error, as Russia appears more intent on pinning Ukrainian forces in cities like Kharkiv while it bypasses them.

This was from the uk thinktank quite some time ago. I don’t personally agree with all of it. As I said I thought there were pushes into Kharkiv with intent to capture. But as they state troops moved past to encircle the donbas line. But I've never seen that on any military movement maps released . So fucks me.

How would you have approached the war if Russia.

( apart from not doing it because we'd all obviously pick that )

I'd have done what they did; try to depose the Ukrainian government by assassinating the President/inner circle.

But they weren't able to do it, so I'd be as screwed as Russia are now.

 

[Anewt]

I'd have done what they did; try to depose the Ukrainian government by assassinating the President/inner circle.

But they weren't able to do it, so I'd be as screwed as Russia are now.

Once again I differ. Making Zelensky into a martyr I feel would have resolved Ukrainians more than cowed. But if they got him I guess there could be far less aid from the west.. he's quite the charismatic chap.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Once again I differ. Making Zelensky into a martyr I feel would have resolved Ukrainians more than cowed. But if they got him I guess there could be far less aid from the west.. he's quite the charismatic chap.

He wouldn't have been a martyr back then.

Only once the international community got behind him did he become relevant.

 

[Anewt]

He wouldn't have been a martyr back then.

Only once the international community got behind him did he become relevant.

Interesting theory.. so without a successful assassination attempt how would you have gone about invading ?

 

[Anewt]

That was unexpectedly reasonable of you, but its Russians who have their supply lines threatened

Once again... I'm not pro Russia or putin . I hate this war. I'm just looking at it from a military perspective.

hindsight is 20/20

I was saying it at the beginning bud

 

[Anewt]

Yeah, a 40 mile long column seems... a wee bit much for a feint
28D chess, supersized for maximum Boris Bamboozle

A column that was by all accounts " under manned each vehicle Green troops told they were on a training mission. Tanks breaking down. No supplies. Conscripts yada yada.

All these come from western sources. I take them with a grain of salt like any information from Russian sources

If the display of might worked sure they would've marched into Kiev. But it was just parked there to look threatening imo.

You really think you would park outside a city while you run low on resources and the city gets more daily? That's insane to me.

 

[Limbo Pete]

A column that was by all accounts " under manned each vehicle Green troops told they were on a training mission. Tanks breaking down. No supplies. Conscripts yada yada.

All these come from western sources. I take them with a grain of salt like any information from Russian sources

If the display of might worked sure they would've marched into Kiev. But it was just parked there to look threatening imo.

You really think you would park outside a city while you run low on resources and the city gets more daily? That's insane to me.

Would I?
No.
Did Russia?
Yes, yes they did.

 

[Anewt]

Would I?
No.
Did Russia?
Yes, yes they did.

And you think that was a attempt to take Kiev? Faaaiirr enough.

The media has done very well

 

[Limbo Pete]

And you think that was a attempt to take Kiev? Faaaiirr enough.

The media has done very well

 

[nixkid]

It's prevented a vast majority of the weapons provided from being deployed in the east.

All those weapons old mate said were surrounding the airport preventing invasion could have been positioned further east.

The position of this force is looking increasingly precarious as Russian forces advance to encircle it on three axes. Russian forces of the 58th Combined Arms Army and 22nd Army, pushing north from Crimea, have commenced assaults on Beryslav along the Dnieper, and appear likely to link up at Polohy with Russian separatist forces and the Eighth Combined Arms Army advancing from Donbas. Elements of the First Guards Tank Army and Sixth Combined Arms Army advancing past Kharkiv also appear to have largely eschewed attempts to take the city – focusing instead on reducing it with artillery while bypassing it as they advance south and west past Poltava, cutting the JFO off from escaping northwards. Finally, in the southwest, Russian forces of the 20th Guards Motor Rifle Division appear similarly intent on bypassing Mykolaiv but, notably, may not be advancing on Odessa. Instead, they appear to be advancing north, which could suggest a desire to seize the western banks of key crossing points over the Dnieper.

Viewed in conjunction, these advances present a troubling picture whereby the Ukrainian forces opposite Donetsk and Luhansk are at risk of encirclement on the eastern side of the Dnieper. If this is indeed the focus of Russia’s approach, then the emphasis on Russia's ability to take major cities as a metric of success will have been an analytical error, as Russia appears more intent on pinning Ukrainian forces in cities like Kharkiv while it bypasses them.

This was from the uk thinktank quite some time ago. I don’t personally agree with all of it. As I said I thought there were pushes into Kharkiv with intent to capture. But as they state troops moved past to encircle the donbas line. But I've never seen that on any military movement maps released . So fucks me.

How would you have approached the war if Russia.

( apart from not doing it because we'd all obviously pick that )

Lets recap the Battle of Kyiv:

• Thousands of Russian soldiers dead or wounded. And hundreds of military vehicles and equipment lost.
• Had negative impact on Russian troop morale by all accounts.
• Had a positive impact on Ukrainian troop and civilian population morale. Everyone (including the West) thought Kyiv would fall within days and it didn't. That basically turned the common opinion from "defeat is inevitable" to "Ukraine can win this war" both internally within Ukraine and around the world (which fueled the push in the West to supply weapons).
• Turned Zelensky into a national hero and a leader for Ukraine and the world to rally around. When people thought that he was basically a dead man walking, the West offered to evacuate him from Kyiv. He turned down the offer with the now famous quote: "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition". This became a symbol of Ukrainian resistance. It galvanized his people towards putting up stiff resistance.

And what did Russia gain with this distraction:

• They took Mariupol (eventually after heavy losses) and Kharkiv. They failed to take Odessa and they have since lost Kharkiv. While Ukraine was busy defending its capital, the Russians failed to take full control of Donbas.

So they gave up a lot and gained very little. And you believe they did this intentionally. That means that they are even more incompetent than is believed. That would be one of the biggest military blunders in modern history. I think those that are pro-Russian think that "they never intended to take Kyiv" somehow helps Russia save face but it actually makes them look even dumber.

 

[Anewt]

Lets recap the Battle of Kyiv:

• Thousands of Russian soldiers dead or wounded. And hundreds of military vehicles and equipment lost.
• Had negative impact on Russian troop morale by all accounts.
• Had a positive impact on Ukrainian troop and civilian population morale. Everyone (including the West) thought Kyiv would call within days and it didn't. That basically turned the common opinion from "defeat is inevitable" to "Ukraine can win this war" both internally within Ukraine and around the world (which fueled the push in the West to supply weapons).
• Turned Zelensky into a national hero and a leader for Ukraine and the world to rally around. When people thought that he was basically a dead man walking, the West offered to evacuate him from Kyiv. He turned down the offer with the now famous quote: "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition". This became a symbol of Ukrainian resistance. It galvanized his people towards putting up stiff resistance.

And what did Russia gain with this distraction:

• They took Mariupol (eventually after heavy losses) and Kharkiv. They failed to take Odessa and they have since lost Kharkiv. While Ukraine was busy defending its capital, the Russians failed to take full control of Donbas.

So they gave up a lot and gained very little. And you believe they did this intentionally. That means that they are even more incompetent than is believed. That would be one of the biggest military blunders in modern history. I think those that are pro-Russian think that "they never intended to take Kyiv" somehow helps Russia save face but it actually makes them look even dumber.

Lol fuck me thousands died in kiev ? Lol even Ukraine only claimed " hundreds of paratroopers attacked the airport.. nothing like a bit of embellishment to add to the impact hey ?

Sorry mate you've lost me. And yes it was a fantastic moral boost to Ukraine... just like snake Island... just like the ghost of kiev... funny that.. it's almost like the media was releasing information to pump up Ukraine and belittle Russia Lol.

I'm not pro Russian

 

[Vergilius]

Riiigghhhht... that's a logical response.........

Enjoy pumping out that sweet sweet propaganda bud. I won't bother you with the truth next time as you're not interested. All the best

Honestly, I don't think you know what the term propaganda even means. You've been consistently wrong since the start of this conflict and ought to be more careful about your takes by now. Nobody in their right mind thinks the attack on Kyiv was a "feint". It was an attempt by the Russian army to decapitate Ukraine and break its resistance, but it failed terribly and Russia lots thousands of men and a great deal of material. It's hilarious that you are still trying to claim otherwise.