Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

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AWilder said:
None of this copy pasta says this was a feint. All of this copy pasta says this was a failed objective. you can believe what you want but assaulting Kyiv was not a feint. No serious military analyst outside of Russia will push this.
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No.. this shows that they took the airport for a month then withdrew. So the massacre of elite troops for 0 gain never occurred.

The story you guys have been going with about the airport is nothing more than propaganda . Which isn't really surprising. Look at all the early stories from the invasion.

( ghost of Kiev. Snake Island etc ) in the early days a narrative was built and pushed hard by media.. not based on truth and reality

And yes.. there's quite a few military analysts who believe Kiev was never the goal.. I've posted them in this very thread a few times.
 
How long before Russia gives up on Ukraine?
They have lost this war as of May 9th when Putin did not declare a war or start a full mobilization. Time for Russia to go home or come to the table for negotiations. Russian troops will not be replenished. It will be a slow death for Russian soldiers left to fight in Ukraine. At this point in the game, why are Russians even fighting the Ukrainians? No supplies, no Air Force, no Navy. Russian soldiers refusing to fight. Ukraine should be able to rap this up in another month. Than what? US and Europe will help to rebuilt Ukraine? Russian sanctions will be lifted? There is no longer a Russian threat. Not conventional or nuclear. That much Putin has made clear since May 9th.

* Time to focus now on China, North Korea, and Iran.
 
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Lol so the russians have actually failed to take Kharkiv?

Russia... you're really embarrassing your fan boys right now you know that right? They've been very loyal. Do you know how bad they're getting it on Twitter right now? Do you even care? Victory day wasn't supposed to signal a Ukrainian one lol.

Maybe it's time to replace the old man with the progressively disintegrating nervous system with someone who can stop shaking long enough to properly plan out a war you should be winning easily eh?
 
GhostZ06 said:
do they mean Surface to surface?
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Yeah he was wrong but the video is amazing. It looks like Putin still pulling out more tricks.

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All seaworthy submarines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, from which the Russian Federation can launch missiles across Ukraine, are now at sea.

Source: Crimea. Realities (Radio Svoboda project), citing its correspondent

Details: On the afternoon of 13 May in the Southern Bay of Sevastopol, the berths where submarines are usually located were empty.

The Russian Black Sea Fleet has a total of six submarines of the "Varshavianka" project: B-261 Novorossiysk, B-237 Rostov-na-Donu, B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar, B-268 Veliky Novgorod and B-271 Kolpino."

Edit: side note Palmer Luckey defense startup is working with MA based company on a military underwater AI autonomous drone.

Palmer will not confirm if any of his drones are in operation in Ukraine.

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Anewt said:
What's your obsession with tushayed ?
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Your argument is that the Russian elite forces were not destroyed during the raid, the fact that he was killed proves otherwise
 
@tibba

Ok ill believe that Kyiv was a diversion.

How do you explain Kharkiv now?
 
Kharkiv was just an extended testing of the waters to feel out how much they could get for the cost. See, the real goal was Crimea all along, and they already have that, so it was a win before they even started losing. -Tibba, presumably
 
Rod1 said:
Your argument is that the Russian elite forces were not destroyed during the raid, the fact that he was killed proves otherwise
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Let me try understand this


a Chechen " general " of the 141st kadrov guards motorised regiment being killed ..... the first day of fighting over the airport. Russia then takes the airport.... for a month.... then withdraws .... a full 2 days Before Ukraine tries to reoccupy the airport.

This to you Is the proof of Russian elite forces being butchered ?

The armored column was traveling near Hostomel, 10 miles (16 kilometers) northwest of Kyiv, when a Ukrainian Alpha Group ambushed them and destroyed the convoy with a drone strike. Among the 70 dead was Gen. Magomed Tushayev, the commander of the 141st Motorized Brigade of the Russian Chechen Guard and Kadyrov’s right-hand man.
 
yes yes, it's always going according to Russia's plans, even when generals are being killed. 12D chess, feint feint feint, we didn't want your stinking airport, it was all a ruse to do something else
 
Imagine having such an odious life that you voluntarily run apologetics for the Russian invasion of Ukraine lol
 
Rod1 said:
@tibba

Ok ill believe that Kyiv was a diversion.

How do you explain Kharkiv now?
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Kharkiv they've been trying to tie up as long as possible. Unlike Kiev the military there has been far more proactive . ( they have been targeting far more structures and using far more force. ) Ukranian defence has been excellent.

They would have attempted to take it completely ( again) if they thought they could imo. ( they tried and failed )

I'll expect to see Russians dug in defensive positions to the east of Kharkiv.. and in position to attack any supply lines ,if Ukraine manages to create a clean line of supply to the donbas line I expect to see donbas being levelled. Something tells me the bombing of residential areas won't really matter again in that region.

I don't think the war is going well for Russia btw. I just don't believe some of the goals people claim Russia failed at were ever plausible goals.
 
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Anewt said:
No.. this shows that they took the airport for a month then withdrew. So the massacre of elite troops for 0 gain never occurred.

The story you guys have been going with about the airport is nothing more than propaganda . Which isn't really surprising. Look at all the early stories from the invasion.

( ghost of Kiev. Snake Island etc ) in the early days a narrative was built and pushed hard by media.. not based on truth and reality

And yes.. there's quite a few military analysts who believe Kiev was never the goal.. I've posted them in this very thread a few times.
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I know they took the airport, I know they held it briefly, I also know they weren't able to use their air supply plans because the area around the airport was far too hostile. It's in my first post regarding this. The routes to the airport and the surrounding areas were too saturated with Ukrainians to make supply and keeping the airport a feasible plan. To say it was a feint is just being daft. You don't take a strategic asset with all of the logistics in place to supply it and then NOT keep it unless something dramatically awful has happened to your forces.

My brother in Christ, stop falling for Russian propoganda.
 
AWilder said:
I know they took the airport, I know they held it briefly, I also know they weren't able to use their air supply plans because the area around the airport was far too hostile. It's in my first post regarding this. The routes to the airport and the surrounding areas were too saturated with Ukrainians to make supply and keeping the airport a feasible plan. To say it was a feint is just being daft. You don't take a strategic asset with all of the logistics in place to supply it and then NOT keep it unless something dramatically awful has happened to your forces.

My brother in Christ, stop falling for Russian propoganda.
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A month is briefly ? Fair enough. The airport was ruined when they withdrew bud. You do risk assets to take your enemies assets out of the game.

The logistics weren't even in place for the massive undermanned under equipped column lol.
 
Anewt said:
A month is briefly ? Fair enough. The airport was ruined when they withdrew bud. You do risk assets to take your enemies assets out of the game.

The logistics weren't even in place for the massive undermanned under equipped column lol.
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the air logistics. They had transport planes and helicopters ready to roll. they decided against it because it would have been an even worse massacre. bud.
 
AWilder said:
the air logistics. They had transport planes and helicopters ready to roll. they decided against it because it would have been an even worse massacre. bud.
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They held the airport for a month surrounded with no air support? withdrew and it took Ukraine 2 days to reoccupy the airport.

That's a bloody great destraction for a relatively small group of paratroopers. You think Putin wouldn't have sacrificed thousands of lives to achieve a month of Kiev being forced to worry about its doorstep?

Let me ask you. How would you have gone about this war if you were Russia?
 
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