Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[b34stmode]

This can't be good news...

(6) NATO alliance is "absolutely at risk" because of Putin’s war in Ukraine, officials say (cnn.com)

NATO moving more troops close to the conflict area.

“From Russia, we realize that Putin and his close circle, they are absolutely reckless people. They don’t care about human life. They lie publicly to conceal their military operations. Putin has totally changed his speech toward the West, and he has a deep hatred of our societies, of our values, so we really assess that he is dangerous, and that the alliance is absolutely at risk,” the official said on Wednesday.

 

[Denter]

Friendly reminder that 95 percent of what you hear from Russia, Ukraine, Europe and America is either completely or at least partially fabricated. The media lies to you in times of peace, you really think they're going to be honest in a war with big political implications?

IMO online support for Ukraine appears to be drawn from the Democracy Good / Autocracy Evil programming, in which Ukraine is the plucky underdog against the evil Asiatic horde of Putin. This appears to be an emotional response, which is why you see so many people believing utter propaganda when they ought to know better.

But then the response: Based Putin standing up against the Global American Empire.

One can make a pretty strong geopolitical case (realpolitik) for Russia's actions, but I find these stated cases to be a rationalization of pro-Russia sentiment, a ex post facto attempt to justify an initial emotional feeling.

To the extent any of this effects us as Americans, the primary worry ought to be what the food/energy/fertilizer shocks will do to the third world, which is very serious but not emotional exciting, because it will happen in 12-18 months and not right now.

 

[b34stmode]

"The reported numbers" are bullshit

"ITS ALL BULLSHIT!" Anything against your narrative is "bullshit". Are the confirmed pictures of 1600 Russian vehicles destroyed also bullshit? Did they fake the 1600 pictures?

 

[Zinger]

The West didn't interfere ENOUGH back then! Yeltsin had his pros but he was ultimately too weak / unwilling to purge Russia from its KGB scourge - hence now we have Putin.

Shoutout to Yeltsin for being a pussy and removing Russian army from the Baltics in '94.

The weapons and military equipment they left behind here helped to arm the organized crime gangs, and murder rate went up, but we dealt with that problem.

Grenades and guns for beers. Those were the days.

 

[The XL]

IMO online support for Ukraine appears to be drawn from the Democracy Good / Autocracy Evil programming, in which Ukraine is the plucky underdog against the evil Asiatic horde of Putin. This appears to be an emotional response, which is why you see so many people believing utter propaganda when they ought to know better.

But then the response: Based Putin standing up against the Global American Empire.

One can make a pretty strong geopolitical case (realpolitik) for Russia's actions, but I find these stated cases to be a rationalization of pro-Russia sentiment, a ex post facto attempt to justify an initial emotional feeling.

To the extent any of this effects us as Americans, the primary worry ought to be what the food/energy/fertilizer shocks will do to the third world, which is very serious but not emotional exciting, because it will happen in 12-18 months and not right now.

Elites don't care what happens to people in 3rd world countries. That's why I find all their grandstanding about this Ukriane conflict on the basis of morality amusing. Amazing how many idiots eat it up. The most evil people in the world are in big business and government

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Just a reminder that 4 weeks ago, Russia was still considered a military super power
Now it's down to "but we still have nukes"
This has been an entertaining development

Russia is easily one of the top 3 most powerful countries in the world by military strength. They have so many tanks that even if they lost almost half of their tanks, they would still have more than any other country.
People need to realize this isn't Russia vs Ukraine, it's Russia vs Ukraine + USA and NATO. The more US gets involved the more likely Russia is going to nuke the US in retaliation. You think that could or would never happen but I think that is where most people are wrong.
Putin thinks the US is out to destroy Russia, which is true in my view. He's only going to take so many losses before he Nukes the US in retaliation. If the US tries to Nuke Russia back, I believe Russia will go all out and destroy the US with hypersonic Nukes.

Biden is a moron, anyone supporting intervention is a moron, and people don't realize that nuclear war is a real possibility if the US keeps escalating the situation. The worst thing they can do is put Russia in a corner. The world as we know it could end and then its every man for himself as the world implodes.

 

[SandisLL]

Armenia and Azeri is cool story
In 1945 th after WW2 republics borders had been re arranged.
Beria and Joseph Stalin handled Karabah to Armenians and purposedly created anclave in Azerbaijan.
Since 1992 th Russian Federation is selling weapons to both: Armenia and Azerbaijan and continue to laugh and count money.
Nothing wrong there, but if Ukraine get some weapons, then this for Nazist Dexter is bad ( Dexter is paid from Russia's budget ) .
Nothing wrong for thugs nazists in Russia that they had sold weapons to both: Armenia and Azerbaijan during 30 last years in row. .

 

[Da Speeit]

How many armored vehicles had been destroyed? How many soldiers are in those vehicles? Is it really farfetched to believe they lost over 6000 troops?

How many of those vehicles are manned for certain?
I've seen dozens, if not hundreds, of burnt, exploded, destroyed vehicles that were stuck in the mud/abandoned in formation etc, no visible bodies around.

These estimates that say "Well we've seen a few hundred bunt transportation trucks and those can hold 12-20 troops so we'll count that as 12-200 casualties" (which is what Ukraine is doing to pump their numbers) is absurd.

Maybe everyone should stfu and only report confirmed deaths

 

[Terry Noonan]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/europe/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-deaths-cmd-intl/index.html

No one is dying, what a sad article.

 

[deadon]

Poor chose of words. You could of use “people” instead of “peasants”.

No that's how I feel. The government thinks as these people as peasants. Doesn't matter anyway. No one gives a shit by the look of the like. So peasants it is.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

"What happened: Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has stopped appearing in public space since March 11, that is, 12 days out of 28, while the war in Ukraine is going on. "



Russian media is wondering

he must have heard the sound of a ukranian tractor approaching so he fled to siberia.

 

[Da Speeit]

"ITS ALL BULLSHIT!" Anything against your narrative is "bullshit". Are the confirmed pictures of 1600 Russian vehicles destroyed also bullshit? Did they fake the 1600 pictures?

I like how you haven't quoted the two other posts I've made in response to your bs, or addressed that stupid NATO crap.
Typical of you. You don't know anything about this bub. Scurry along or put me on ignore like you said.

But you're so seething mad and so sure of your own intelligence you HAVE to win, so you just can't bring yourself to do it.

The numbers are bullshit. Until anyone has definitive numbers they stand by and can confirm, it's bullshit.

 

[Terry Noonan]

I like how you haven't quoted the two other posts I've made in response to your bs, or addressed that stupid NATO crap.
Typical of you. You don't know anything about this bub. Scurry along or put me on ignore like you said.

But you're so seething mad and so sure of your own intelligence you HAVE to win, so you just can't bring yourself to do it.

The numbers are bullshit. Until anyone has definitive numbers they stand by and can confirm, it's bullshit.

Lmao. Daspittt needs to count the bodies himself. Otherwise it’s zero.

 

[Da Speeit]

its the social media generation with short attention span and no critical thinking.

theyre just bombarded with "breaking news" over and over and conditioned to parrot the mainstream narrative without thinking.

crazy it's happening in real time.

I think those of us who lived through the Syria crap, which was wayyyy less televised, have a better nose for bullshit. I remember videos where a mother was holding her "Gassed" daughter's corpse in her arms, screaming at the heavens, then the little girl would kind of open her eye a little bit and you'd everyone get a little nervous. Then you'd see the same little girl in a white helmets video in another town months later.

Same as last week when there was that kid being "pulled from rubble from shelling" with no visible scratches, bruises or bleeding and everyone around jumping to action when they realized the camera was on. The video starts right as they pull him out, ends right as they start to apply treatment. People fall for it.

 

[Da Speeit]

Lmao. Daspittt needs to count the bodies himself. Otherwise it’s zero.

Says the guy who stood by Ukrainian numbers a couple weeks ago.

You're super irrelevant in all of this. No one takes you seriously.

 

[Terry Noonan]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ru...n-ukraine-nato-estimates-xyZjWxinMDHzdeRZvAeD

 

[AWilder]

Honest question here:

At the outset of this conflict most military analysts predicted Russia would take Kiev within 2-3 days.

Here we are a month into the war, only one Ukranian city has fallen, Kiev stands, Ukranian forces are launching counter-offensives, and Russia has already lost more troops than America did in 20 years in Afghanistan.

But there still seems to be a sizable group of posters arguing that this is going WELL for Russia...

Is this just the WR having a strong pro-Russia bias (which it may have)? Or an anti-mainstream media bias (which it DEFINITELY has)?

Or am I missing something?

i think there's a sizeable number of people who's brains have been broken over the past 6 years. They only see things through a political lens. It doesn't help that one party's policy is literally 'oppose the other team". So we have a dem president supporting something. The reactionary policy is to oppose it.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Cheers i'll drink to that bro.

I don't have a shtick. I laid it out to Lurker yesterday.
I'm pro-Ukrainian indpendence, i think they should be able to join NATO if they'd like and Russia can fuck off if they have a problem with it. I also think Western nations have been extremely arrogant and willing to let Ukraine pay the price for their hubris and now they're overcompensating because we got caught with our pants down.
I think Zelensky, Putin, Biden and Xi will all walk away from this claiming victory, at the expense of many lives and a more unstable world. That's why it's vital we don't let the establishments rewrite reality and history, but many of you are so invested in the good vs bad narrative that they push, that you're allowing complete and utter nonsense to become common knowledge.

Which is why I take issue with people coming in saying they know for sure what the casualty numbers are, I will push and push and push. Don't claim to know if you don't. Don't let hacks at the NYT who get "Anonymous Intel Sources" to write entire world narratives. It's a joke. It's what we did in Syria, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, on and on and on and everyone just keeps whistling past the boomercon neolib establishment raping and leveling countries, or, conversely, letting them get raped and leveled so they can rewrite the history and consolidate power.

It's gross.

Ukraine is paying the price for Putin's idea of rebuilding the empire. He didn't only declare Donbas independent. He laid out all these claims of Ukraine technically not being it's own country and how the government had to be de-Nazified before invading them.

What Western hubris do you think is responsible for this in any way? Please don't say dangling NATO or EU membership.

 

[Terry Noonan]

Says the guy who stood by Ukrainian numbers a couple weeks ago.

You're super irrelevant in all of this. No one takes you seriously.

Russian military personnel are dying. Daily. So are Ukrainian military members and civilians. You’re a weird schill who can’t seem to grasp adding numbers and correlating it with the catastrophic damage to large cities and urban areas.

 

[Rholk]

Russia is easily one of the top 3 most powerful countries in the world by military strength. They have so many tanks that even if they lost almost half of their tanks, they would still have more than any other country.
People need to realize this isn't Russia vs Ukraine, it's Russia vs Ukraine + USA and NATO. The more US gets involved the more likely Russia is going to nuke the US in retaliation. You think that could or would never happen but I think that is where most people are wrong.
Putin thinks the US is out to destroy Russia, which is true in my view. He's only going to take so many losses before he Nukes the US in retaliation. If the US tries to Nuke Russia back, I believe Russia will go all out and destroy the US with hypersonic Nukes.

Biden is a moron, anyone supporting intervention is a moron, and people don't realize that nuclear war is a real possibility if the US keeps escalating the situation. The worst thing they can do is put Russia in a corner. The world as we know it could end and then its every man for himself as the world implodes.

Russia might be top 3 in its own borders, great for them. As for now they can't take a town thats 30 miles from their border because they can't even keep the logistics going.
You might have kept this bluf going for another 20+ years if you didn't expose yourself like this
but guess what Rassia