Russia/Ukraine Megathread V6

[Blayt7hh]

Take it with a huge amount of salt, because our president is a piece of shit and a liar, but he was holding a press conference today where he said he expects the escalation of this and much less consideration of civilian lives and infrastructure. Our government has serious contacts with the top people of Russia, so it might be something to bear in mind. Maybe he's just talking crap in order to somehow lower the support for Russia among people over here, but who knows.

Well what he is saying is kind of obvious. As Russian troops continue to take casualties and have trouble getting the supplies they need to survive, they’ll get more desperate. They also have civilians and people in civilian attire firing on them.

Of course they’re going to start killing civilians. The civilians are a direct threat to their lives right now. Even if the Soldiers themselves are against the war, they’re likely to start killing and looting to improve their odds of making it home. Any human would out of self preservation

 

[ViD]

What major cities are encircled? Mauripol? And if the goal wasn't to take Kiev in 48 hours, why did they drop hundreds of Paratroopers on the outskirts of Kiev in the first 8 hours? Every one of them is most likely dead. Look up tactics on using VDV.

Russian Airborne Assault Troops [VDV] (fas.org)

It isn't a unit you would use outside of Kiev if you planned on a prolonged war unless you literally sent those men to die.

Sorting fact, disinformation after Russian attack on Ukraine - ABC News (go.com)

— Ukraine’s military said it shot down a Russian military transport plane carrying paratroopers near Vasylkiv, a city 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Kyiv, an account confirmed by a senior American intelligence official. It was unclear how many were on board. Transport planes can carry up to 125 paratroopers. Russia has not commented on the incident.

^ Reported 48 hours into the war.

Are you expecting a hundred paratroopers to take over a city with tens of thousand of troops ?
From what I heard their goal was to take over an airport so it can be used rather than destroying it

 

[luckyshot]

I have no good estimates, but from what I hear the first week was the heaviest losses(only officially they admitted 500 dead) because they miscalculated the resistance and marched convoy groups without sufficient protection.
Since then they changed the tactics and there’s less casualties - from what people report, most losses come from artillery, not much from any actual gun firefights.

What do you think of US military intelligence reports of approximately 7,000 dead? Do you find those numbers believable, and if so, would that level of loss be acceptable to you?

What level of loss would be acceptable to accomplish Russia's strategic aims in Ukraine, and what do you perceive those aims to be?

 

[Da Speeit]

I've read it, and I said I was wrong on the subject. Do you have trouble reading? Or you can't move on from one subject to another? You going to bring that up every time a new subject is mentioned? You are taking shit posting to new heights, I'll just ignore you from now on.

Fucking LMAO @

"As for your "things going well", they have Kiev virtually surrounded, are waiting in place with minimal effort and Zelensky is more and more open to negotiations as this drags on. I don't think it's going that badly based on my perception of Putin's objectives (I've stated what I think they are since day one)"

Every single word of this is fake news.

I don't think you did.
You already said you were going to ignore me, you keep popping your head up trying to pwn me and do your typical reddit bullshit and make yourself look ill-informed and dumb

Here

Kiev are surrounded in the North, fighting in the east and south and cannot afford to be drawn out to the west or they'll be stretched too thin and lose most fronts. Here's a Newsweek article I posted yesterday detailing Russia playing it cool when pushing inward
https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494

Russia are digging out and fortifying the east anymore slowly, which is what Ukraine is trying to stop. They're taking back key points, but mostly as Russia moves and mobilizes elsewhere.


Zelensky is prepared to negotiate more than he peviously was
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...or-putin-negotiations-intv-fareed-gps-vpx.cnn

"I'm ready for negotiations with him. I was ready for the last two years. And I think that without negotiations we cannot end this war," he told CNN's Fareed Zakaria.
"I think that we have to use any format, any chance in order to have a possibility of negotiating, possibility of talking to Putin. But if these attempts fail, that would mean that this is a third World War," he added.
Zelensky has urged more negotiations in recent days as Russia's invasion of Ukraine nears its fourth week. In a video message posted Saturday, he called for talks "without delay," warning that otherwise Russia's losses would be "huge."

So what's "Fake News" reddit boy? Your bullshit Disney+ Marvel Movie bullshit narrative collapsing? You feeling the pressure of getting emotionally involved in a conflict you know abs.so.lute.ly nothing about??

Funniest part is earlier when you said "I didn't know what the Final Solution meant because I'm not a jew" I'm not a jew either, maybe consider you're just not that smart and need to stop pointing fingers and accusing everyone else of "Fake news" and "lying" and sit back and think "huh, maybe i just have no fucking clue what i'm talking about and should shut the hell up".

But feel free, keep posting nonsense and threatening to ignore me (while still responding to my posts). You're an easy layup bud.

 

[Da Speeit]

At least you don't have to worry about your neighbor trimming his lawn.

I live in the desert, it's all rocks and dead palm trees.

 

[nostradumbass]

More like would you get involved if he was raping and killing your neighbors wife.

Would you if the guy could blow up the whole neighborhood?

If we're talking about a nuclear war, it isn't whether you personally would confront a guy and it's just you. It isn't Joe Biden challenging Vladimir Putin to a duel, they're sending other people to war that the people who declared war would never go to themselves, so the question is whether you think Ukraine's government is worth endangering the people of your own country who had nothing to do with any of it.

 

[Source]

Very very unhappy indeed. But good to read he won you over. I mean, you’re right. One can’t simply be a sociopath and have a kid. Truly impossible.

Is that some clinical definition?

In your opinion who is worse Putin or Wali?

 

[Da Speeit]

Odd semantics to get hung up on. Maybe because you yourself said that the 3k death number sounds about right, when trying to disprove @luckyshot's statement about Russia losing more men in a month than US did in 20 years in Afghanistan. It was a switcharoo, a decoy, a sham.

I didn't even try to disprove it, I didn't even say it was inaccurate. I said we have no realiable sources. For all we know it's 20,000. For all we know it's 1k. We don't know. My point is, we don't know. This constant "It's been like three 9/11s!" to "It's been one 9/11!" shit from publications and departments that have financial interest in lying is stupid and people citing them are equally stupid.

Me: We don't know
Pentagon: We don't know
Russia: "Shhhh"
Ukraine: OVER 9000
Sherdog Ukraine Enthusiasts: "We know for sure based on estimates that change every other day that his has been at least one third of a D-Day, possibly half an Iwo Jima"

It's stupid

 

[b34stmode]

Are you expecting a hundred paratroopers to take over a city with tens of thousand of troops ?
From what I heard their goal was to take over an airport so it can be used rather than destroying it

There were at least 4-5 reports of VDV dropped around Kiev, one indeed being the hostomel airport, which all of them died as well. I think the goal was for a coup to happen within hours of the start of the war, Zelensky being arrested or killed and the military basically doing a coup.

U.S. Accuses Russia of Sending Saboteurs Into Ukraine - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

One senior Biden administration official said there was concern that saboteurs or provocateurs could stage an incident in Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, creating a possible pretext for a coup. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine declared several months ago that he believed a coup attempt was underway, but it never materialized.

Also fits his narrative of "special military operation" It just went exactly opposite of how Pootin thought it would go. There is no other explanation in dropping HUNDREDS of VDV to their deaths in the first 48 hours.

 

[ViD]

What do you think of US military intelligence reports of approximately 7,000 dead? Do you find those numbers believable, and if so, would that level of loss be acceptable to you?

What level of loss would be acceptable to accomplish Russia's strategic aims in Ukraine, and what do you perceive those aims to be?

Considering how the fighting is going now and video information we see, 7000 is definitely not a realistic number.
Ukraine reports hundreds of shot down planes but there’s proof of possibly a few, same thing with everything else.

What level of loss would be acceptable ? 0. I don’t want this conflict at all.

 

[Da Speeit]

No, it's not, because the express design of a nuke is to blow up shit in someone else's country.

You're seriously comparing an anti-tank weapon to a nuke?

Iran's not developing a nuke to attack anyone, they're developing a nuke to nuke someone who launches a nuke at them. It's totally defensive.

 

[Da Speeit]

Considering how the fighting is going now and video information we see, 7000 is definitely not a realistic number.
Ukraine reports hundreds of shot down planes but there’s proof of possibly a few, same thing with everything else.

What level of loss would be acceptable ? 0. I don’t want this conflict at all.

Best post in this thread so far.
LFG!!!!!!

 

[Videer]

Lol. Do you enjoy posting fake news, nonstop? Kiev has been "surrounded" for two weeks now. The reality is Ukraine is starting to GAIN back land, still holds hostomel airport which is huge, still somehow holding on to Mauripol even after losing water and electricity for a week. "minimum effort" do you just randomly make things up for shits and giggles? Zelensky is more and more open for negotiations? Yeah? Do tell me what he is open for in negotiations.

Ukraine is making some gains around Kyiv but does not control Hostomel yet. Russia has made some gains in the east.

 

[Da Speeit]

I'd just like to take a moment to say RIP to ALL that have lost their lives in this war. No matter what side you're on the government gives the orders to the peasants and they do the dirty work or else.

RIP to ALL these people that have lost their lives.

This too.

 

[GhostZ06]

Hundreds of thousands of Allied troops at heightened readiness...100,000 US troops in Europe... 40,000 forces under direct @NATO command, all backed by major air & naval power, including 5 carrier strike groups in the high north & in the Med, says @jensstoltenberg #Ukraine

— Carla Babb (@CarlaBabbVOA) March 23, 2022

A NATO official separately told reporters today that the alliance believes between 7,000 and 15,000 Russian troops may have been killed in the fighting in Ukraine since the invasion began. That individual said that this was based on information from Ukrainian authorities and data that Russian officials have released "intentionally or by mistake."

 

[b34stmode]

I don't think you did.
You already said you were going to ignore me, you keep popping your head up trying to pwn me and do your typical reddit bullshit and make yourself look ill-informed and dumb

Here

Kiev are surrounded in the North, fighting in the east and south and cannot afford to be drawn out to the west or they'll be stretched too thin and lose most fronts. Here's a Newsweek article I posted yesterday detailing Russia playing it cool when pushing inward
https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494

Russia are digging out and fortifying the east anymore slowly, which is what Ukraine is trying to stop. They're taking back key points, but mostly as Russia moves and mobilizes elsewhere.


Zelensky is prepared to negotiate more than he peviously was
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...or-putin-negotiations-intv-fareed-gps-vpx.cnn




So what's "Fake News" reddit boy? Your bullshit Disney+ Marvel Movie bullshit narrative collapsing? You feeling the pressure of getting emotionally involved in a conflict you know abs.so.lute.ly nothing about??

Funniest part is earlier when you said "I didn't know what the Final Solution meant because I'm not a jew" I'm not a jew either, maybe consider you're just not that smart and need to stop pointing fingers and accusing everyone else of "Fake news" and "lying" and sit back and think "huh, maybe i just have no fucking clue what i'm talking about and should shut the hell up".

But feel free, keep posting nonsense and threatening to ignore me (while still responding to my posts). You're an easy layup bud.

[/QUOTE]

You haven't listed what Zelesnky is willing to give up that he wasn't willing before the war. That map is literally the same as it was a WEEK prior. Russia has gained NO territory and is actually losing key spots including airports. Zelensky has repeatedly stated he will not give up an inch of territory in Ukraine, and refused to surrender Mauripol as well. You literally just make up shit and run with it. "Kiev is surrounded in the North" BELARUS is north of Kiev, the fuck you talking about? Russia is digging trenches because they are STUCK and can't progress forward. Keep making shit up boyo, its an extremely bad look.

 

[The Diplomat]

I didn't even try to disprove it, I didn't even say it was inaccurate. I said we have no realiable sources. For all we know it's 20,000. For all we know it's 1k. We don't know. My point is, we don't know. This constant "It's been like three 9/11s!" to "It's been one 9/11!" shit from publications and departments that have financial interest in lying is stupid and people citing them are equally stupid.

Me: We don't know
Pentagon: We don't know
Russia: "Shhhh"
Ukraine: OVER 9000
Sherdog Ukraine Enthusiasts: "We know for sure based on estimates that change every other day that his has been at least one third of a D-Day, possibly half an Iwo Jima"

It's stupid

Yes, but you're the one responding to others when any discussion is being had, with contrarian views without really adding anything except "we don't know!" while using Russian talking points. Like "Hey, Ukraine is being invaded, and people are dying, but did you know about Zelenksyy's corruption?" as if that's relevant justification.

I'm sure it will be quite awhile before any realistic, verifiable numbers from this invasion/war come out. But it's painfully obvious what your agenda is, regardless of how neutral you say you are.

 

[b34stmode]

Considering how the fighting is going now and video information we see, 7000 is definitely not a realistic number.
Ukraine reports hundreds of shot down planes but there’s proof of possibly a few, same thing with everything else.

What level of loss would be acceptable ? 0. I don’t want this conflict at all.

Where has Ukraine said they shot down HUNDREDS of planes?

 

[GhostZ06]

Ukraine making big gains in kyiv

 

[b34stmode]

How is this possible? All this is in direct conflict with @Da Speeit . INB4 NATO official is fake news.